He is such an idiot! He didn't respect the medicine cats AT ALL, and he clearly favored his dumb son over everyone else, and he didn't realize how bad Broketail was until it was too late, and it resulted in his death, which, I honestly don't even care about, because even before Brokendumb was born, he was a selfish carp, who didn't give a flip about anything but his own wants and needs.
His selfishness annoyed me throughout all of Yellowfang's Secret.
Leopardstar was pretty bad too, I mean, she just handed her clan over to Tigerclawstar, let her deputy get killed, and let apprentices get threatened, tortured, and almost killed over something beyond their control.
I can't say anything about Thunderstar or Skystar, since I've not read Dawn of the Clans
Bluestar was a fine leader until she lost her mind
Pinestar .... I feel so bad for him, I just want to hug him.
Tigerclawstar was trash
Tigerheartstar, I can't say anything until I've read SH, but he seems fine so far.
Onestar....I absolutely despise him as a cat, but I don't think he's that bad of a leader. I mean, he doesn't follow the code AT ALL, but he managed to keep WindClan together for the most part, during the whole thing with The Dark Forest battle, The Flood, all the other crap that was going on. He was trash, he basically killed three cats in ShadowClan, wanted to chase stoats onto ThunderClan territory, but for WindClan? He's done a pretty good job, especially considering, half of his clan was against him when he first became leader.
Mistystar, I think she's great, but I wish she'd hurry up and croak so we can have Reedwhisker as leader.
Post by *Ravenpaw* on Oct 12, 2019 18:54:32 GMT -5
It's mostly a tie between the two Tigerstars and Onestar, but I voted for Onestar. Tigerstar I was a classic villain, so there wasn't much to him. Tigerstar II had his annoying Dovewing drama and was a jerk to the Sisters and SkyClan. And Onestar started battles because he felt like it. His transformation from being an okay character to jerk was terrible to read.
Post by Brindlefern on Oct 12, 2019 21:16:39 GMT -5
Actually Misty could've had Brokenstar in her place in terms of the poll options.. She was shitty during the Mothwing thing but that was it and she reversed that anyways (Even if her reaction personally leaves a bad taste in my mouth). She's just boring now really, not really a good candidate.
I mean, I appreciated Onestar trying to grow a backbone when he became leader and become less dependent on ThunderClan, but he went a bit too far. The only things I really remember him doing that made me dislike him was attacking ThunderClan during Eclipse and being obnoxious with trying to take territory.
Tigerstar 2: Electric Boogaloo is just...huh? Like he was a pretty decent dude at first, but then the universe just tried too hard to make him seem awesome and it didn’t work. He just turned into a total jerk face for no reason other than ‘I’m the leader so I get to boss everyone around’. Where did my good boi go?
Post by vectoring34 on Oct 13, 2019 9:33:56 GMT -5
How is Onestar leading? I get people hate him and I do too, but he never murdered his own clan cats and decimated his own territory like Tigerstar did. The scale of badness is utterly incomparable here, Tigerstar was vastly worse.
Tigerstar (TPB), obviously a crappy leader, destroying (non-existent?) alliances, killing numerous cats, attacking a leader as well, and putting the entire forest in danger by introducing Scourge to it. The only quality he has is that he managed to pull ShadowClan together, somewhat. 2/10
Onestar. God, I hate this character so much, he's just absolute crap at this point. He destroyed WindClan's alliance with ThunderClan, sent his warriors to crush ThunderClan's herbs before inciting war and then cowering in the confines of his own territory when his son started wreaking havoc within the other Clans. Even worse, he turned tail mid-battle when they were attacking the Kin, ruining any chances of success they may have had. He managed to keep WindClan on their feet, but it didn't seem like too much of a hassle since they weren't in any situation that could warrant a repeat of the original series. 2/10
Raggedstar. An absolute ***hole who only cared about his dad and being leader. Other than his insufferable crappiness, he seemed to be a functioning leader, I guess. His gullible nature was his downfall, leading to the death of his apprentice and finally himself. 4/10
Pinestar. A fine leader, until he starting becoming irresponsible. He was someone who was practically forced into his position, so it's somewhat justified, but the way he handled his retirement was terrible. He constantly neglected his leadership to the point that ThunderCln was being invaded while he snacked on cat kibble. And after that, he had to have an apprentice counsel him into officially retiring. Not good at all. 5/10
Tigerstar (AVoS). God I hate him so much, but he was a functioning leader. He acted exactly like what he was: a deputy and leader who had no clue what to do. Other than his inexperience and random angriness, he's an okay leader. 6/10
Leopardstar, a dumb leader with no spine. Literally should have just stopped her warriors from making territory markers. After all, she was just going to have an entire Clan waltz in her camp, murder her deputy and imprison two apprentices anyway so what was the point. Absolutely crap leader, even worse when she started putting claims on the lake in The Fourth Apprentice. Held no loyalty, no humility or sense, 1/10
Bluestar. A crazy leader who went even more coo-coo for coconuts, 3/10.
Thunderstar is just so, so infuriatingly dumb. He's just so gullible, he was lucky that Quick Water was only after Shadowstar. A very poor decision that proves how he still hasn't learned from his past experiences. But aside from functioning as a normal pacifist leader, he's fine. 6/10
Skystar worked hard to keep his Clan safe, and killed numerous other cats in the process all while playing victim and trying to sweep his mistakes under the rug. He's almost as gullible as Thunderstar, and his actions in Mothflight's Vision did not look good, but at least he had some sense in Shadowstar's Life 2/10
Mistystar's an okay leader, she keeps alliances when possible, but manages to still put her Clan first, not sure why she's even on this list. 9/10
Those aside, I'm stuck in a tie between Onestar, Leopardstar, Tigerstar I and Skystar. But I chose Skystar in the end just cus I hate him that much :>
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