SurvivorDogStorm309
I was on the Original Forums since it started known then as Spottedfire896 also known as Moon125
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Post by SurvivorDogStorm309 on Aug 22, 2016 12:18:25 GMT -5
Really  I mean He did attack lionpaw (now lionblaze) because he was mad at squrrielflight for not taking him as mate? Plotted with Hawkfrost to kill Firestar to get revenge on Squrrielflight? Trying to kill Squrrielflights kits in a fire for same reason mentioned before then she mentions that the Holly,Lion and Jay are not her kits. He was going to reveal the secret to the whole forest Before Holly kills him. How is being obsessive to the point I am going to do anything to hurt you because I love you and I want to hurt you as much as possible as you done me not darkhearted? I mean seriously if he really loved squirrel he'd let her go and let her be happy being herself but he didn't. |
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Post by Woofzie on Aug 22, 2016 13:21:18 GMT -5
Hollyleaf killing Sshfur wasn't an accident, if I remember correctly.
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Post by Wicked Witch on Aug 22, 2016 17:06:57 GMT -5
Hollyleaf knew that she had to make sure that Ashfur kept the secret, and although she didn't mean to kill him. From the Ultimate Guide. that guide has quite a few inconsistencies on the book series filled with inconsistencies. but in this case the story shows that hollyleaf did indeed intend to kill ashfur. shown in sunrise via jayfeather searching her memories, in hollyleaf's story she's "hunting him like prey" and in the last hope she admits that she killed him out of anger. this proves TUG statement false. |
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Post by moonmasksunfrost on Aug 22, 2016 20:13:23 GMT -5
Prime example of author favoritism. I think Vicky has since admitted that she can't really justify putting Ashfur in StarClan.
@tomorrow, I get what you're saying, he just started off with a messed up picture of what happened right off the bat. And everything just went downhill from there '-'
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Post by Sootfeather on Aug 23, 2016 7:41:51 GMT -5
Eh, against popular opinion, I don't think he was truly an evil guy. He was just really messed up about feeling used and thrown away by the girl he really fell for. Poor guy, his life just kinda fell apart right in front of him. Of course, his actions aren't condoneable, but if Hollyleaf can enter Starclan, so can Ashfur. The thing with Hollyleaf was that she was definitely not in a good mental state. She just learned her parents aren't her parents and she's the daughter of a medicine cat in a forbidden relationship, and considering that she worshiped the code at the time, she definitely wasn't happy about it. Plus, she only killed one cat and later on died to save another, which does redeem her a bit. Ashfur tried to kill 4 cats and only failed because he found a better way to torture their adopted mother. To each their own, though. (also if I make any spelling errors, just remember I'm on a laptop so it's hard to type correctly.) |
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Post by Winterstorm on Aug 23, 2016 16:29:47 GMT -5
Eh, against popular opinion, I don't think he was truly an evil guy. He was just really messed up about feeling used and thrown away by the girl he really fell for. Poor guy, his life just kinda fell apart right in front of him. Of course, his actions aren't condoneable, but if Hollyleaf can enter Starclan, so can Ashfur. how was he thrown? Squirrelflight really did cared about him. Even after letting him down she tried to stay in touch with him. But he ignored her. It's Ashfur own fault that he lost squirrelflight. |
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Post by Cloudshadow on Aug 23, 2016 18:14:33 GMT -5
Eh, against popular opinion, I don't think he was truly an evil guy. He was just really messed up about feeling used and thrown away by the girl he really fell for. Poor guy, his life just kinda fell apart right in front of him. Of course, his actions aren't condoneable, but if Hollyleaf can enter Starclan, so can Ashfur. how was he thrown? Squirrelflight really did cared about him. Even after letting him down she tried to stay in touch with him. But he ignored her. It's Ashfur own fault that he lost squirrelflight. Whether he was rejected or not comes from perspective (ours and the characters ). From Ashfur's point of view he was rejected and I can understand why- he and Squirrelflight only ever started hanging out with eachother a lot when she and Brambleclaw were fighting but when they made up, Ashfur knew his time with Squirrelflight would be reduced and he would almost effectively be replace by Brambleclaw(at least in his eyes). So to him their relationship was being tossed aside in preference for another. And being rejected hurts, whether it was softly or not. I find it strange how so few people seem to understand that Ashfur's behaviour towards Squirrelflight immediately after him being let down is normal. He would have been hurt and angry so he isn't going to want to be around Squirrelflight. Whether that is permanent or temporary kind of depends on the person. It's his prolonged behaviour that tells us he has a problem. |
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Post by kinkajou on Aug 23, 2016 19:54:35 GMT -5
how was he thrown? Squirrelflight really did cared about him. Even after letting him down she tried to stay in touch with him. But he ignored her. It's Ashfur own fault that he lost squirrelflight. Whether he was rejected or not comes from perspective (ours and the characters ). From Ashfur's point of view he was rejected and I can understand why- he and Squirrelflight only ever started hanging out with eachother a lot when she and Brambleclaw were fighting but when they made up, Ashfur knew his time with Squirrelflight would be reduced and he would almost effectively be replace by Brambleclaw(at least in his eyes). So to him their relationship was being tossed aside in preference for another. And being rejected hurts, whether it was softly or not. I find it strange how so few people seem to understand that Ashfur's behaviour towards Squirrelflight immediately after him being let down is normal. He would have been hurt and angry so he isn't going to want to be around Squirrelflight. Whether that is permanent or temporary kind of depends on the person. It's his prolonged behaviour that tells us he has a problem. Didn't he try to kill Firestar like right after Squirrel rejected him? That isn't a normal reaction... |
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Post by tiger beetle on Aug 23, 2016 21:13:51 GMT -5
feeling hurt that she didn't want to be his mate - understandable
jealousy - unhealthy but understandable
moping, sulking - understandable, though unhealthy if they continue too long
trying to kill her family - whoa
like yeah rejection hurts but there's a difference between "that hurt" and "she wasn't in love with me so I'm going to destroy her life"
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Post by Cloudshadow on Aug 23, 2016 21:54:09 GMT -5
@ kinkajou that is true. It'd be interesting to see how he and Hawkfrost came to the agreement of Ashfur helping to trap Firestar because it would he'd some light on when Ashfur "turned/changed". Did Ashfur approach Hawkfrost or did Hawkfrost manipulate Ashfur and possibly start Ashfur's mental instability? Who knows, maybe Hawkfrost tried to make Ashfur a ticking time bomb.
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