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Post by Ravenmist on May 19, 2019 15:49:16 GMT -5
Weird question but I've always wondered
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2019 16:13:38 GMT -5
Probably similar to teen pregnancy - The Clan would probably be disappointed, but they can't do anything but let the apprentice go through with the birth. After that, either the Kits are adopted by another Queen or the Apprentice delays her training to raise her kits and must finish it at an embarrassingly old age. Imagine if the Apprentice mother has to train alongside her own kits, once they turn 6 Moons.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2019 16:34:50 GMT -5
They end up with a granddaughter like Needletail.
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Post by Ravenmist on May 19, 2019 17:11:38 GMT -5
They end up with a granddaughter like Needletail. Huh?
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on May 19, 2019 17:15:55 GMT -5
They end up with a granddaughter like Needletail. Huh? Scorchfur apparently first became a father as an apprentice while his mate Snowbird was a warrior. Needletail is one of his granddaughters.
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Post by sonnensturm1 on May 19, 2019 17:32:32 GMT -5
Dawncloud was very young when she had kits. And maybe because she was apprenticed so early, she became a warrior earlier too and had kits which is comparable to teen-age pregnancy but no one cared because she got her full name. I imagine that she was made a warrior shortly after Yellowfang was banished because Tallpoppy has to be there at some point. Moth Flight was young too but since there was no proper naming system her case isn't as obvious.
They would probably let the apprentice's kits staying with her in the nursery until they are apprenticed themselves and then she countinues her training and they never talk about it again.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2019 17:51:24 GMT -5
They end up with a granddaughter like Needletail. Huh? What 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 said basically. I wonder if his oldest kits were like, "You can't tell us what to do! You're not that much older than us!"
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Post by Brindlefern on May 19, 2019 17:59:37 GMT -5
What 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 said basically. I wonder if his oldest kits were like, "You can't tell us what to do! You're not that much older than us!" Jeebus frick that sounds so awkward.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2019 18:04:27 GMT -5
What 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 said basically. I wonder if his oldest kits were like, "You can't tell us what to do! You're not that much older than us!" Jeebus frick that sounds so awkward. I know right?
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Post by Sand on May 19, 2019 18:28:39 GMT -5
This is, by far, one of the weirdest threads I’ve seen in WG in the past few months.
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Post by Needlefrost on May 19, 2019 20:23:31 GMT -5
Not sure, they should consult yahoo answers for help.
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Post by mymerlincat on May 19, 2019 21:53:22 GMT -5
I don’t think there’d be that much of an issue? It’s not against the code. The whole Clan would probably be wary that they did that instead of focusing on their apprenticeship and might look down on them for it but I doubt they’d be punished. They would likely move to the nursery and finish their apprenticeship when their kits get apprenticed (this would be hilarious) and that would probably be it.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2019 22:12:35 GMT -5
I'm actually rather surprised they haven't approached this topic at all throughout the series, considering the fact that kits can actually get pregnant (a cat can go into heat and get pregnant as early as 4 months, which is a sad fact and not something I think should be used as a plot point)
I'd be interested to see this to be explored if they did it in a tasteful way. I remember back in the beginning of AVOS, people theorized that Needlepaw would get pregnant with Rain's kits before she became a warrior, and I think they could pull this off with an older apprentice if they really wanted to. definitely not a kit or young apprentice though, i think that would be too sad and definitely very controversial
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Post by Lightflame on May 19, 2019 23:28:06 GMT -5
Better get the abortion herb.
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on May 20, 2019 10:22:15 GMT -5
Depends on how old the father is. If it's a Thistle/Spotted situation, then something needs to be done about that tom.
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Post by dewkit on May 20, 2019 13:08:06 GMT -5
I don't know... nothing i guess they cannot really do anything about it
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on May 20, 2019 19:33:39 GMT -5
They should have that happen. It would be different.
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Post by Protractor on May 20, 2019 19:49:38 GMT -5
Who tf gets pregnant that early?the clan might not be happy that they didn't notice lol.
Anyone else realize this might happen with Bristlepaw
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 19:51:01 GMT -5
Who tf gets pregnant that early?the clan might not be happy that they didn't notice lol. Anyone else realize this might happen with Bristlepaw She's a warrior now.
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Post by Protractor on May 20, 2019 19:55:15 GMT -5
Who tf gets pregnant that early?the clan might not be happy that they didn't notice lol. Anyone else realize this might happen with Bristlepaw She's a warrior now.
Damnit I really should've finished that book....
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 19:56:16 GMT -5
Damnit I really should've finished that book.... Why didn't you finish it?
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Post by Protractor on May 20, 2019 20:01:03 GMT -5
Damnit I really should've finished that book.... Why didn't you finish it? Bc school(Like Starclan)is an asshole
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Post by Brindlefern on May 20, 2019 20:27:10 GMT -5
Honestly there's not really much they CAN do by that point. The cat's already pregnant, they're left to wait it out. Unless you expect them to give the cat in question Tansy, which will cause a miscarriage to those pregnant, which is probably the closest to an abortion as you can get here. But that'd be dark to cover as well, even in a series with cats (Miscarriage/abortion is a very heavy topic as well and all...).
On a less um... heavy note, the clan definitely would be disappointed because they just had one of their younger cats basically be like an episode of "16 and Pregnant" and whatnot.
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Post by juvoyx on May 24, 2019 20:51:33 GMT -5
Well, Ferncloud was an apprentice in The Darkest Hour, but in Midnight she's already a queen, but with her warrior name (in Firestar's Quest too). Like, ee never saw when she got her warrior name. What if she got pregnant a little before becoming a warrior? lol I always thought that.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2019 21:07:36 GMT -5
Well, Ferncloud was an apprentice in The Darkest Hour, but in Midnight she's already a queen, but with her warrior name (in Firestar's Quest too). Like, ee never saw when she got her warrior name. What if she got pregnant a little before becoming a warrior? lol I always thought that. <iframe width="19.120000000000005" height="3.640000000000015" style="position: absolute; width: 19.120000000000005px; height: 3.640000000000015px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_47170923" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="19.120000000000005" height="3.640000000000015" style="position: absolute; width: 19.12px; height: 3.64px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 900px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_16205280" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="19.120000000000005" height="3.640000000000015" style="position: absolute; width: 19.12px; height: 3.64px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 122px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_29581440" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="19.120000000000005" height="3.640000000000015" style="position: absolute; width: 19.12px; height: 3.64px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 900px; top: 122px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_86695811" scrolling="no"></iframe> I don't think it'd be THAT bad considering she's older than Cloudtail, and Brightheart had Whitewing in Firestar's Quest.
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Post by Vale on May 25, 2019 8:26:41 GMT -5
I doubt they'd cover it honestly, due to it being somewhat of a controversial topic in some places and how it needs to be handled with care. It's possible, but I doubt it.
But that aside it's probably a question of how the series interprets their cats. If they go for 100% realism in how old cats can be before having kits then it probably would happen quite a bit, since apparently cats can become pregnant at four months at the earliest and irl cats don't have a sense of waiting until a certain age to have kids like humans do. It's just whenever. Since Warriors treats its cats as creatures with a moral code though there seems to be a loose concept of Kits = Children (0-10ish human equivalent maybe) Apprentices = teenagers (perhaps 10-18 or whatever) and warriors being adults. If they follow a more human sense of morals surrounding pregnancy then it might range from shocking, worrying and a point of shame for a young apprentice, to questionable or more accepted for an older apprentice. Obviously this doesn't cover all people's viewpoints, but I'm generalising on the more common points.
If it happened it would probably depend on the age of the apprentice, but I doubt it would be something truly punished for. I'd imagine they'd maybe treat it like Med-cat pregnancies if they had to punish it. It's shameful and they lose the position they have for a while, perhaps performing the safe but not pleasant jobs such as de-ticking the elders, cleaning out the dens etc. Honestly if it were me though there probably wouldn't be any actual punishment, just probably a sense of shame and worry in the clan for their wellbeing. I won't go any further into it really since imo it'd depend entirely on the circumstances which could get a bit dark if looked into it really in-depth.
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