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Post by Haze on Mar 28, 2019 16:16:20 GMT -5
The number of cats in each clan looking at the allegiances in the preview, counting kits too.
Thunderclan, 48 cats. Shadowclan, 32 cats. Skyclan, 33 cats. Windclan, 25 cats. Riverclan, 27 cats and one of them is a queen expecting kits, so 2 or 3 more later.
Hilarious that Shadowclan and Skyclan that almost faced extinction to Darktail have more cats than the other two Lake clans.
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Post by Thunderheart57 on Mar 28, 2019 16:18:21 GMT -5
ThunderClan needs more deaths. That’s too high of a population, especially compared to RiverClan and WindClan. That is a 20% more increase in the number of cats.
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Post by briarfrost on Mar 28, 2019 17:02:01 GMT -5
I've been chanting "purge! purge! purge!" since AVoS started and I'm still chanting it now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 17:26:22 GMT -5
This should be the arc where ThunderClan's numbers slow down or go down a bit.
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Post by Owl on Mar 28, 2019 18:37:23 GMT -5
the clans are far too bloated at this point. i agree, it's odd that shadowclan and skyclan, despite both almost being destroyed, were able to bounce back so quickly. particularly shadowclan!
i was never the biggest fan of the super-tiny clans from the first arc, nor the overpopulation in the later series. i wish we could go back to having about 10-12 warriors in each clan, similar to the allegiances throughout the new prophecy.
above all, we need warriors retiring and then passing of old age, cats dying in battle, all that good stuff that kept the clans from getting too big like this
though if the clans are actually moving away from battle and war the way some fans have suspected, does that mean we'll be seeing even less cats dying in combat than we are today?
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Post by Viperstrike on Mar 28, 2019 18:44:47 GMT -5
the numbers are getting out of control. everytime the erins kill one character off, they create ten more to take their space and it's ridiculous. like look at the comparison throughout the arcs (i'm only counting thunderclan right now). also the way im counting this is if they were still alive by the end of the arc they appeared in, but dead by the next they are going into the death list of the next arc. so like seedpaw is going into the dead of avos count since she died between oots and avos. im also counting cats who left in the dead list as that effects the numbers
os deaths/leaves: redtail, rosetail, lionheart, spottedleaf, yellowfang, whitestorm, brindleface, snowkit, mistlekit, swiftpaw, runningwind, halftail, patchpelt, bluestar, ravenpaw, tawnypelt, graystripe, tigerstar, darkstripe
os births: ashfur, ferncloud, kit one, kit two, brightheart, cloudtail, cinderpelt, brackenfur, thornclaw, bramblestar, sorreltail, rainwhisker, sootfur
tnp deaths/leaves: one eye, dappletail, shrewpaw, hollykit, larchkit, graystripe, cinderpelt, sootfur, speckletail, frostfur
tnp births/gains: squirrelflight, leafpool, whitewing, birchfall, hazeltail, mousewhisker, berrynose, cinderheart, poppyfrost, molepaw, honeyfern, spiderleg, daisy
pot deaths/leaves: ashfur, honeyfern, molepaw, goldenflower, hollyleaf, rainwhisker
pot births/gains: graystripe, jayfeather, lionblaze, blossomfall, briarlight, bumblestripe, dovewing, ivypool, rosepetal, toadstep, foxleap, icecloud, millie
oots deaths: firestar, mousefur, longtail, hollyleaf
oots births: molewhisker, cherryfall, snowbush, ambermoon, dewnose, lilyheart, seedpaw
avos deaths/leaves: sorreltail, foxleap, hazeltail, icecloud, sandstorm, purdy, briarlight, snowbush, spiderleg, marigoldkit, juniperkit, dovewing, seedpaw
avos births: alderheart, sparkpelt, twigbranch, finleap, larksong, leafshade, honeyfur, flypaw, shellpaw, plumpaw, spotpaw, snappaw, stempaw, bristlekit, flipkit, thriftkit, eaglepaw, stormcloud, hollytuft, sorrelstripe, fernsong,
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Post by scint on Mar 28, 2019 20:09:12 GMT -5
I'm hoping that TBC will be a very long massacre of all the Clans throughout the entire arc with all the bloodshed and heartbreak with only like around 10 cats left in each Clan.
Now I will truly be impressed with the editors if this is the case and they pull it off correctly.
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Post by なんで私 on Mar 28, 2019 20:13:05 GMT -5
This is why in me and my friend's AU story we're having a big ass purge. Heck in the first few chapters a good 20 or so cats are killed including Mistystar who lost a life.
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Post by dashingshadows on Mar 28, 2019 20:41:43 GMT -5
I would bet the purge is gonna be this deep winter that they keep building up to A lot of cats are gonna starve to death
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Post by stormfall on Mar 28, 2019 21:26:35 GMT -5
Like I said before in other threads, I really want the Erin’s to reign in Thunderclan, they should get weaker with a resurgent Shadowclan, Windclan and now Skyclan.
Also with something supposedly happening to Bramblestar and the leadership getting shaken up, Thunderclan should weaken and another will take its place.
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Post by stormfall on Mar 28, 2019 21:30:01 GMT -5
I'm hoping that TBC will be a very long massacre of all the Clans throughout the entire arc with all the bloodshed and heartbreak with only like around 10 cats left in each Clan. Now I will truly be impressed with the editors if this is the case and they pull it off correctly. Wow that’s a lot of dead cats, only 10 per clan? I could see like ~25 per clan but even that seems low compared to how inflated the clans are. The Erin’s would have to be pretty ballsy to have that massive of a purge, but if written correctly could be an awesome arc.
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Post by なんで私 on Mar 28, 2019 21:35:09 GMT -5
I'm now tempted to make a Warriors spoof comic based off of the Purge movies, the main targets. THUNDERCLAN
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Post by Katanaheart on Mar 28, 2019 21:48:34 GMT -5
I doubt the numbers are that bad in actuality... Given they still keep cats that have been dead for arcs around, it more so equates to= “If you’re not in focus, we’re just going to make the bare minimum number of new cats. Especially since you don’t show up anyway, and no one’s going to notice.”
It’s likely WindClan has the same numbers as ThunderClan, it’s just not shown, minus kits related to important characters. Same could be said for RiverClan, given the amount of old and dead cats within it.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Mar 28, 2019 23:41:36 GMT -5
someone needs to make a chart or something to show the smallest and biggest number count for each clan since the beginning of the series lol
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Post by sylveon on Mar 29, 2019 2:51:01 GMT -5
I honestly feel like it's because the Lake is so much safer than the forest territories that he Clans faced a massive boom. I personally think WindClan and RiverClan has a good number of cats, SkyClan pushing it a bit, and ThunderClan way too overpopulated. There's no way they're finding enough food consistently to feed themselves, and the warriors den must be overflowing.
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Post by Hawkflower on Mar 29, 2019 6:18:33 GMT -5
someone needs to make a chart or something to show the smallest and biggest number count for each clan since the beginning of the series lol I remember someone did this a while back. It took a few minutes but I found it! wcrpforums.com/thread/65427/population-graph-clans-eclipse-presentExcept they started with Eclipse, not from the beginning. Which makes sense since not all cats were always listed in the allegence.
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Post by stormfall on Mar 29, 2019 7:27:52 GMT -5
I honestly feel like it's because the Lake is so much safer than the forest territories that he Clans faced a massive boom. I personally think WindClan and RiverClan has a good number of cats, SkyClan pushing it a bit, and ThunderClan way too overpopulated. There's no way they're finding enough food consistently to feed themselves, and the warriors den must be overflowing. I agree, the lake has way less twoleg interference and the clans seem to fight less cause there is more to go around. Also Thunderclan have had way too many medicine cats to keep them alive.
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Post by Scotus on Mar 29, 2019 9:20:46 GMT -5
It was then when Windclan and Riverclan came together to institute the one child policy for the other clans
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Post by Protractor on Mar 29, 2019 9:30:18 GMT -5
Thunderclan needs to get massacred
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Mar 29, 2019 15:05:13 GMT -5
It was then when Windclan and Riverclan came together to institute the one child policy for the other clans
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Post by Scotus on Mar 30, 2019 14:08:51 GMT -5
Wait dovewing died?
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Post by *Faith* on Mar 30, 2019 15:18:58 GMT -5
Wait dovewing died? No, she's still alive.
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Post by Scotus on Mar 30, 2019 15:20:31 GMT -5
Wait dovewing died? No, she's still alive. daw
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Post by Mayflower on Mar 30, 2019 19:17:40 GMT -5
I honestly feel like it's because the Lake is so much safer than the forest territories that he Clans faced a massive boom. I personally think WindClan and RiverClan has a good number of cats, SkyClan pushing it a bit, and ThunderClan way too overpopulated. There's no way they're finding enough food consistently to feed themselves, and the warriors den must be overflowing. The funny part is that it's mentioned that ThC has too many cats. It's not affecting their food, but the space in camp. They've had to expand the warriors' den twice, iirc (maybe more?) already. Once was when Graystripe and Millie returned, then again in PO3. At the beginning of Dark River, Holly & Co. were playing in the unfinished warriors' den. Squirrelflight and Bramblestar scolded them by saying they shouldn't play there, since they could mess up the expansion work, which was being done because the den was too crowded. Not long after that, Poppyfrost & Co. became warriors. Then later in OOTS, Dovewing and Ivypool (...and Bumblestripe and Blossomfall? I think they had to sleep there, too) couldn't move to the warriors' den, even though they had their full names. The books literally said there wasn't enough room for them to make nests!
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Post by Haze on Mar 30, 2019 19:29:59 GMT -5
Then later in OOTS, Dovewing and Ivypool (...and Bumblestripe and Blossomfall? I think they had to sleep there, too) couldn't move to the warriors' den, even though they had their full names. The books literally said there wasn't enough room for them to make nests! Now I headcanon that the final factor that made Dovewing move to Shadowclan was that she could sleep in leaders den and have more space.
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Post by 𝗟𝗢𝗨𝗜𝗘〡𝑟𝑦𝑜 𝑎𝑠𝑢𝑘𝑎 𝑚𝑢𝑡𝑢𝑎𝑙 on Mar 30, 2019 19:39:26 GMT -5
so, the plan is, bring in the rabies... kill off half of thunderclan... great. awesome. please, erins. please. im begging you. the overpopulation is dreadful, especially when we have cats like honeyfur and leafshade who have 0 personality and like 2 lines in the whole entire series.
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Post by infernoMarshmallow on Mar 30, 2019 20:17:07 GMT -5
idea: the obligatory green-cough massacre at the beginning of the series, but actually harmful instead of 2 cats no one noticed
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idea: a bad famine because of winter (like... as bad as the one described in TR that made shattered ice go rabbit hunting in the tunnels)
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Post by sylveon on Mar 31, 2019 3:19:57 GMT -5
I honestly feel like it's because the Lake is so much safer than the forest territories that he Clans faced a massive boom. I personally think WindClan and RiverClan has a good number of cats, SkyClan pushing it a bit, and ThunderClan way too overpopulated. There's no way they're finding enough food consistently to feed themselves, and the warriors den must be overflowing. The funny part is that it's mentioned that ThC has too many cats. It's not affecting their food, but the space in camp. They've had to expand the warriors' den twice, iirc (maybe more?) already. Once was when Graystripe and Millie returned, then again in PO3. At the beginning of Dark River, Holly & Co. were playing in the unfinished warriors' den. Squirrelflight and Bramblestar scolded them by saying they shouldn't play there, since they could mess up the expansion work, which was being done because the den was too crowded. Not long after that, Poppyfrost & Co. became warriors. Then later in OOTS, Dovewing and Ivypool (...and Bumblestripe and Blossomfall? I think they had to sleep there, too) couldn't move to the warriors' den, even though they had their full names. The books literally said there wasn't enough room for them to make nests! Yes! I remember that. If I remember right, I believe either at the end of OOTS - sometime in avos, squirrelflight mentions needing to build a second warriors den. And I believe some of the cats were even making nests on top of the fallen tree as well as under? either way, the camp somehow managed to hold four of the five Clans in Shattered Sky, so it seems like the editors decided the camp is bigger than originally stated.
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Post by Sea Drops by a Bird on Mar 31, 2019 11:17:50 GMT -5
I've been saying this for the longest time- the erins have been playing it way to lax with the deaths- especially since they have introduced these major life changing conflicts like the Dark Forest battle and Darktail. ThunderClan has been under a veil of protection and I've been wanting to see that list get picked off- my hope is that there is a reaping in this new arc where a lot of cats die. Honestly I'm surprised Bramblestar can keep control of all of them- and they definitely need 2-3 medicine cats with all those cats.
Also I'm sure WindClan and RiverClan have more cats- they've never given us a full roster for the clans that weren't featured. Even in the OS there would be like five or six cats listed in the allegiances for all non TC clans, and those were cats who would appear in the story.
They're warriors! They should be dying more often!! I feel like more cats are dying now in the time between arcs than in the actual books. And yet with the clans being twice their original size and SkyCLan being in the forest, prey doesn't seem to be scarce (at least for TC). Personally I wouldn't mind seeing a rift in TC where some of their cats split off from Bramblestar, perhaps forming a sub-clan within. Or a bloody war, a real war where there are deaths (plural) in each book, like what should've happened in the Dark Forest arc. As destroy ThunderClan as Tigerstar was, he never really killed anyone in TC except for Redtail and Brindleface.
Not to make this about OOTS but it's a prime example of how they could have if they wanted to but didn't! It was the perfect opportunity to kill off lots of cats throughout the arc and then in the final battle. But they played it safe and cute and most of the clans survived with one or two deaths. If they didn't want to kill them they could've at least decided to exile the Dark Forest trainees and then boom, they come back as a part of Darktail's crew, grounding him more in the series than having him revealed to be the son no one knew or had any idea about of a cat who we didn't really care about.
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