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Post by Falconfrost on Mar 25, 2019 22:43:51 GMT -5
Dovewing wasn't that bad, her arc was just written terribly especially when she got back with Tigerheart.
I don't think Firestar is a mary sue or whatever.
Mapleshade's backstory isn't half bad, I don't think it's lame or anything.
Blackstar is kinda cool and one of my favorite characters.
WindClan isn't super interesting, idk for me each clan has a personality but I feel like WindClan is more subdued.
Bluestar is awesome and her mistakes in later life are forgivable.
Hawkfrost is also kinda cool.
DotC has been fairly uninteresting to me so far (I've only read like the first two books tho).
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Post by Viperstrike on Mar 25, 2019 23:02:01 GMT -5
millie is a bad mom ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ dove x tiger isn't that bad violetshine is annoying i hate that violetshine named her kit after needletail. i understand why but i hate it.
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Post by Cheetahstar on Mar 25, 2019 23:11:12 GMT -5
I hope we get more mapleshade or something with her. I love her and her backstory does give me some sympathy for the she-cat. what she did was no where near okay however
An evil dovewing au thou
Alderheart being a medicine cat was a bad idea
im happy leafpool died over squirrelflight
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Post by Seven on Mar 25, 2019 23:14:31 GMT -5
tbh i dont like mothpool tigerhearts shadow was a good SE squirrelpaw x stormfur is better than bramblesquirrel. I think they both should've stayed as friends and chosen other mates
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Post by scint on Mar 26, 2019 1:45:40 GMT -5
I don't care for Mothwing x Leafpool
Tigerheart's Shadow was a good book
Ivypool is a terrible character (feels unpopular everywhere I go so don't @ me)
Squirrelflight x Stormfur, Squirrelflight x Spiderleg, or Squirrelflight x No one should've been canon
I'm happy that Leafpool died over Squirrelflight
Blossomfall is an entitled brat, along with Bumblestripe
Twigbranch should've stayed in ThunderClan in the first place
I'm happy that Violetshine left for SkyClan after the events of Shattered Sky
Although RiverClan is pushed to the side, I can't really get the hype about them
Mapleshade is an idiot and a badly written villain
Minnowtail x Mousewhisker is a bad ship (to me)
Rainswept Flower x Jagged Peak is also bad
Twigbranch x Finleap was rushed
Dovewing x Tigerheart is not a bad ship
Dovewing is written horribly, but isn't bad
Medicine cat!Lionblaze sounds better than canon
Honeyfern x Berrynose was a sucky ship and I'm glad it sunk
Graystripe x Silverstream is a bad ship
Spottedleaf isn't a bad character
Thistleclaw was never good in the first place
Swiftpaw is an idiot
Bumblestripe x Rosepetal or Bumblestripe x Cherryfall shouldn't become canon as of now
I prefer the idea of Rosepetal x Lionblaze/Dovewing and Bumblestripe x Ivypool/No one to the two ships listed above
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Post by Scotus on Mar 26, 2019 1:49:48 GMT -5
The series after the first one seemed heck of a lot rushed. There were so manny good premises but very little was executed well.
Superbooks are an exception.
Crookedstar is a cinnamon roll that must be protected.
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Post by suicunetobigaara on Mar 26, 2019 2:25:23 GMT -5
Oh boy here we go.
I don't think Bumblestripe is as bad as the fandom makes him out to be.
I do think Tigerstar2 is worse than most of the fandom makes him out to be.
I don't particularly like Dovewing (I do like aspects of her) and think she uses others.
I don't think the writing in the newest series is getting childish or dumbed dowb, but I think it is written so anyone can pick up a book and be able to understand the world. Is that good or bad, I dunno probably good.
I am happy Cloverfoot is deputy of Shadowclan but I think Strikestone would have been better.
I would be happy if Reedwhisker becomes Riverclan's next leader.
I think Dovewing should have been single, mostly because I think it doesn't contradict with her character that way.
I didn't care that Briarlight lived as long as she did and was sad everyone wanted her to die when she was alive.
I don't ship Brightheart with Swiftpaw, or Cloudtail with Daisy.
I think Sorreltail is kind of bland (I am sorry).
I think Tigerstar1 was a decent villain, and not as terrible as he is made out to be (I do think he got worse as the series went on).
I think Trushpelt is such a good boy that no other rejected cat will compare to him. Everyone looks bad against him.
I wish Twigbranch would have stayed single and Finleap moved back to Skyclan.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 8:47:42 GMT -5
Blackstar's okay to me.
I don't blame Mistystar for closing her Clan's borders.
Crowfeather's not a bad character to me. A lousy dad, sure, but not bad.
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Post by stormfall on Mar 26, 2019 9:29:05 GMT -5
The new prophecy isn’t as bad as people say it is
Brackenfur and Sorreltail are not that interesting
Bumblestripe isn’t that bad
Dovewing could have been good if she was written better
Riverclan has plenty of personality and interesting characters but not enough screen time
Windclan needs more personality
If Tigerstar 2 is a villan type of leader he will probably be a good one
Birchfall is cool
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Post by Hawkflower on Mar 26, 2019 9:50:39 GMT -5
I agree with you on WindClan.
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Post by Moonblazer on Mar 26, 2019 10:07:34 GMT -5
Bumblestripe and Graystripe are good cats and are not horrible like people make them out to be.
I like Onestar’s degression and find him incredibly entertaining throughout the series. He becomes trash but it happens in an interesting way in my opinion.
I love TNP. It’s my favorite arc.
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Post by 𝗟𝗢𝗨𝗜𝗘〡𝑟𝑦𝑜 𝑎𝑠𝑢𝑘𝑎 𝑚𝑢𝑡𝑢𝑎𝑙 on Mar 26, 2019 10:14:41 GMT -5
idk if this is unpopular but the dark forest, as a concept, is too... messy... like? what are the qualifications for being sent there? ashfur didn't get sent there and neither did onestar (but I don't think onestar deserved to get sent there anyways). like i get its for "evil" cats and i think a lot of people think it's just for like... jerks... idk. IDK. the whole thing is so messy that i can't even explain my point hdjfjdj... i think I like to see it as less of "starclan is for good cats and df is for bad cats" and more like "df is for cats who were legitimately evil, starclan is for everyone else who didn't commit crimes against catmanity"
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Post by Falconfrost on Mar 26, 2019 10:15:08 GMT -5
I don't care for Mothwing x Leafpool Tigerheart's Shadow was a good book Ivypool is a terrible character (feels unpopular everywhere I go so don't @ me) Squirrelflight x Stormfur, Squirrelflight x Spiderleg, or Squirrelflight x No one should've been canon I'm happy that Leafpool died over Squirrelflight Blossomfall is an entitled brat, along with Bumblestripe Twigbranch should've stayed in ThunderClan in the first place I'm happy that Violetshine left for SkyClan after the events of Shattered Sky Although RiverClan is pushed to the side, I can't really get the hype about them Mapleshade is an idiot and a badly written villain Minnowtail x Mousewhisker is a bad ship (to me) Rainswept Flower x Jagged Peak is also bad Twigbranch x Finleap was rushed Dovewing x Tigerheart is not a bad ship Dovewing is written horribly, but isn't bad Medicine cat!Lionblaze sounds better than canon Honeyfern x Berrynose was a sucky ship and I'm glad it sunk Graystripe x Silverstream is a bad ship Spottedleaf isn't a bad character Thistleclaw was never good in the first place Swiftpaw is an idiot Bumblestripe x Rosepetal or Bumblestripe x Cherryfall shouldn't become canon as of now I prefer the idea of Rosepetal x Lionblaze/Dovewing and Bumblestripe x Ivypool/No one to the two ships listed above If I may ask, why don't you like Ivypool? Not trying to call you out or throw shade or something, genuinely curious.
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Mar 26, 2019 15:26:41 GMT -5
Twigbranch should have stayed in SkyClan. I'm honestly surprised that Leafpool died before Squirrelflight. Not a fan of Dovewing. I loved TNP. Violetshine was okay until she attacked her sister. This is why I like Twigbranch more than her. Violetshine should have never had kits.
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Post by infernoMarshmallow on Mar 26, 2019 15:44:32 GMT -5
DOtC was the best arc. Tigerstar 1 was an interesting character. Once a cat becomes leader they lose all their personality, and instead will do wild things for the plot every once in a while. Bluestar was a good cat with hard decisions. Raggedstar was a terrible parent and cat in general. Don't fight me on this. Fireheart was a great cat. Firestar was kind of lame. Dovewing got better the longer her character stayed. Lionblaze was unbelievably boring sometimes, despite having an interesting power. Moth Flight was a kinda cool cat, but her relationship with Micah was weird and rushed. Spottedleaf is almost underrated, she just gets a bad rep because of her and Firestar's weird relationship. Bramblestar's Storm was not the greatest and the name Jessy is automatically annoying to me now. Nightstar was a great cat, despite not being technically leader. I really have props for him ngl
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Post by Cheetahstar on Mar 26, 2019 16:37:27 GMT -5
Oh another one
thistleclaw was a cool chance for a really cool character and the erins ruined him in that book that I shall never consider canon
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Post by Brindlefern on Mar 26, 2019 22:26:07 GMT -5
HeatherBreeze is NOT an unhealthy relationship. Breezepelt is only said to not deserve a mate because people are too stuck on his actions as of OoTS despite the fact he has a redemption arc in CT that takes place soon after, so they still think he's some absolutely evil cat who would abuse his mate and kits when there's nothing to prove that (He's shown to appreciate Heathertail genuinely and really does love her and she does him) and it annoys the everloving hell out of me that people would grasp straws to try and prove it when there's nothing in CT nor AVoS to show that he IS abusive to Heathertail at all.
Regardless of how you feel about Breezepelt, don't pull stuff out your ass to make him off like his own father if not worse.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 26, 2019 22:49:47 GMT -5
I didn't mind SH, and I like Skystar and Needletail.
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Post by なんで私 on Mar 26, 2019 22:55:10 GMT -5
I'm glad Leafpool is now dead I despise Crowfeather even though he had a good POV in Crowfeather's Trial I feel sympathy for Mapleshade mostly because everyone else who was in a forbidden relationship got off Scott free I like Needletail and Tree Squirrelflight should've been with either Shrewpaw or just be a single pringle I ship JayXBriar (don't @ me) The only POV I liked in DotC was Gray Wing's, Clear Sky and Thunder are whiney bastards
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 26, 2019 23:19:10 GMT -5
HeatherBreeze is NOT an unhealthy relationship. Breezepelt is only said to not deserve a mate because people are too stuck on his actions as of OoTS despite the fact he has a redemption arc in CT that takes place soon after, so they still think he's some absolutely evil cat who would abuse his mate and kits when there's nothing to prove that (He's shown to appreciate Heathertail genuinely and really does love her and she does him) and it annoys the everloving hell out of me that people would grasp straws to try and prove it when there's nothing in CT nor AVoS to show that he IS abusive to Heathertail at all. Regardless of how you feel about Breezepelt, don't pull stuff out your ass to make him off like his own father if not worse. I agree with this. I may not like Breezepelt, but to call his relationship with Heathertail abusive just seems like a stretch. I remember mentioning this on another thread, but I think it has to do with the fact that since there's no clear transition between DS and CT (since the latter takes place soon after the former, in which Breezepelt was mentioned to be smug during the meeting), his redemption in general isn't well-received by some, including myself. Of course, this remorse at the start of CT could've just been reality hitting him in the face after getting back, but since there's no indication of that, it just feels really sudden (him making hypocritical comments at Gatherings doesn't help). Granted, Crowfeather wasn't at the island, but I feel like him starting off as arrogant in the book before starting to feeling remorse would've been better. Yeah, he's changed, but I just feel like it could've been handled better so it doesn't seem inconsistent. But going back to BreezexHeather, it really isn't that bad, and this is coming from someone who doesn't even care too much about the relationship. And even if he had never changed, this doesn't necessarily mean he's abusive towards his family. Even villains can feel love. In fact, this sort of mindset is actually pretty harmful, as it feeds into the idea that those who were abused become abusers themselves. Breezepelt clearly loves Heathertail and vice versa, and I think it's unfair to call it abusive when we've had plenty of evidence to the contrary that it's anything but.
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Post by kinkajou on Mar 27, 2019 16:16:15 GMT -5
SkyClan should have either stayed in the gorge and Darktail not exist (I mean Darktail could still exist and bother the lake Clans but SkyClan would not be part of it), or go back and stay there in TRS. Heck I would totally forgive TRS if that happened
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Post by Brindlefern on Mar 27, 2019 16:40:45 GMT -5
HeatherBreeze is NOT an unhealthy relationship. Breezepelt is only said to not deserve a mate because people are too stuck on his actions as of OoTS despite the fact he has a redemption arc in CT that takes place soon after, so they still think he's some absolutely evil cat who would abuse his mate and kits when there's nothing to prove that (He's shown to appreciate Heathertail genuinely and really does love her and she does him) and it annoys the everloving hell out of me that people would grasp straws to try and prove it when there's nothing in CT nor AVoS to show that he IS abusive to Heathertail at all. Regardless of how you feel about Breezepelt, don't pull stuff out your ass to make him off like his own father if not worse. I agree with this. I may not like Breezepelt, but to call his relationship with Heathertail abusive just seems like a stretch. I remember mentioning this on another thread, but I think it has to do with the fact that since there's no clear transition between DS and CT (since the latter takes place soon after the former, in which Breezepelt was mentioned to be smug during the meeting), his redemption in general isn't well-received by some, including myself. Of course, this remorse at the start of CT could've just been reality hitting him in the face after getting back, but since there's no indication of that, it just feels really sudden (him making hypocritical comments at Gatherings doesn't help). Granted, Crowfeather wasn't at the island, but I feel like him starting off as arrogant in the book before starting to feeling remorse would've been better. Yeah, he's changed, but I just feel like it could've been handled better so it doesn't seem inconsistent. But going back to BreezexHeather, it really isn't that bad, and this is coming from someone who doesn't even care too much about the relationship. And even if he had never changed, this doesn't necessarily mean he's abusive towards his family. Even villains can feel love. In fact, this sort of mindset is actually pretty harmful, as it feeds into the idea that those who were abused become abusers themselves. Breezepelt clearly loves Heathertail and vice versa, and I think it's unfair to call it abusive when we've had plenty of evidence to the contrary that it's anything but. Yeah it's like... Just because someone is bad... doesn't render them completely incapable of loving someone. And Breezepelt, given how torn up he is when he thought his mother died, certainly was still able to love someone. Even though Heather and Breeze weren't exactly all that great before, that's not to say things can change and their relationship with each other could shift. Heathertail regardless of Breezepelt's behavior earlier, showed in CT to still support him and stick up for him, and it's not like she's some doormat either so if he WAS abusing her I doubt she'd take that, especially not after dealing with Lionblaze, who not only dragged her away from battle against her will and threatening her to be enemies at one point, and almost actually killing her at another. In Breeze's case of CT, he gets so damn soft with her there, he's literally in awe about being mates with her when Crow talks to him about her. Like just the way they LOOKED at eachother the next time we see him in the healer den with her hinted of all kinds of mushy gushy lovey shit had happened when we weren't looking, ya can't tell me he doesn't truly adore her, and that they're unhealthy after seeing that. I kinda see it somewhat like Thistleclaw in BP (And only speaking of BP in this context). He... wasn't a great guy, and did some terrible things as well as we all know, but he wasn't completely unable to have a healthy relationship with Snowfur, the guy has a softer side to her and we've seen it, he makes a fuss over Whitekit. He's a bad guy but that doesn't make him completely unable to get a mate and have a genuine happy healthy relationship. Same goes for Breezepelt, and just because people don't like him doesn't mean he in canon can never have happiness that is a mate/kits. If you ask me, that's extremely petty. In regards to the “The abused always becomes the abuser” argument… is a rather harmful mindset to go by yeah. And can even be VERY offensive and insulting, speaking as someone who’s been emotionally abused by one side of the parentage as well, to use as an example. So it's like... I guess I’m gonna be nothing but an abuser now too? :// Yeah no, not even CLOSE to that and even fear it. So it’s not a good mindset to be stuck on. I wouldn't exactly say it's a healthy mindset either, and applying it to a fictional character who could change at any point at that is rather... well... it doesn't work either. His redemption may be shoddy to some, but it's hard to reject the fact that CT is the most recent evidence we have that Breezepelt and Heathertail are on good terms with eachother now. Ofc there's still early AVoS where he's being an ass, but folks should blame the fact that that happened before the SE was even planned, and even with CT, it just comes off as him being a lil' shit like he usually is and doesn't amount to anything regardless so it's easy to shrug off. It doesn't hint to anything regarding Heathertail and his kits anyways.
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Post by whiteflight on Mar 27, 2019 20:51:07 GMT -5
I'm glad Leafpool is now dead I despise Crowfeather even though he had a good POV in Crowfeather's Trial I feel sympathy for Mapleshade mostly because everyone else who was in a forbidden relationship got off Scott free I like Needletail and Tree Squirrelflight should've been with either Shrewpaw or just be a single pringle I ship JayXBriar (don't @ me) The only POV I liked in DotC was Gray Wing's, Clear Sky and Thunder are whiney bastards Wait Leafpool died!? How? Sorry for asking I don't read warriors anymore but I'll like to know.
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Post by Haze on Mar 27, 2019 21:13:44 GMT -5
I'm glad Leafpool is now dead I despise Crowfeather even though he had a good POV in Crowfeather's Trial I feel sympathy for Mapleshade mostly because everyone else who was in a forbidden relationship got off Scott free I like Needletail and Tree Squirrelflight should've been with either Shrewpaw or just be a single pringle I ship JayXBriar (don't @ me) The only POV I liked in DotC was Gray Wing's, Clear Sky and Thunder are whiney bastards Wait Leafpool died!? How? Sorry for asking I don't read warriors anymore but I'll like to know. We dont know how yet, but we know that she died between AVoS and TBC because allegiances and a scene in the first chapter of the preview.
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Post by Scotus on Mar 28, 2019 0:11:38 GMT -5
Waaaaaaa
That seems right though, I never felt comfortable with Thunderclan having two full medicine cats. (and then 3 when Alderpaw came on board)
Crowfeather was kinda annoying in CT tbh. Although the book itself helped me to be more introspective, honestly very often the phrase "too much info" ran through my head. I was hoping he would be put on literal trial for crimes against Catmanity, or maybe he could have been framed, that would have been interesting.
But now I just want to throw Crowfeather, Jayfeather, and Breezepelt in the tunnel, block the way out and see what happens. That's pure entertainment waiting to happen. (post CT but before the aVoS)
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Post by なんで私 on Mar 28, 2019 0:25:00 GMT -5
HeatherBreeze is NOT an unhealthy relationship. Breezepelt is only said to not deserve a mate because people are too stuck on his actions as of OoTS despite the fact he has a redemption arc in CT that takes place soon after, so they still think he's some absolutely evil cat who would abuse his mate and kits when there's nothing to prove that (He's shown to appreciate Heathertail genuinely and really does love her and she does him) and it annoys the everloving hell out of me that people would grasp straws to try and prove it when there's nothing in CT nor AVoS to show that he IS abusive to Heathertail at all. Regardless of how you feel about Breezepelt, don't pull stuff out your ass to make him off like his own father if not worse. I agree with this. I may not like Breezepelt, but to call his relationship with Heathertail abusive just seems like a stretch. I remember mentioning this on another thread, but I think it has to do with the fact that since there's no clear transition between DS and CT (since the latter takes place soon after the former, in which Breezepelt was mentioned to be smug during the meeting), his redemption in general isn't well-received by some, including myself. Of course, this remorse at the start of CT could've just been reality hitting him in the face after getting back, but since there's no indication of that, it just feels really sudden (him making hypocritical comments at Gatherings doesn't help). Granted, Crowfeather wasn't at the island, but I feel like him starting off as arrogant in the book before starting to feeling remorse would've been better. Yeah, he's changed, but I just feel like it could've been handled better so it doesn't seem inconsistent. But going back to BreezexHeather, it really isn't that bad, and this is coming from someone who doesn't even care too much about the relationship. And even if he had never changed, this doesn't necessarily mean he's abusive towards his family. Even villains can feel love. In fact, this sort of mindset is actually pretty harmful, as it feeds into the idea that those who were abused become abusers themselves. Breezepelt clearly loves Heathertail and vice versa, and I think it's unfair to call it abusive when we've had plenty of evidence to the contrary that it's anything but. Speaking of the villains can feel love thing, I got an OC who's the most sadistic thing ever, but the only people they ever loved is themselves and their boyfriend, who they clearly care about. These cats got emotions, they ain't the embodiment of pure evil or some crap like that.
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Post by Scotus on Mar 28, 2019 1:10:59 GMT -5
I also kinda hate that the three lost their powers after that disappointing finale.
It was the only thing that made 2.5 of the 3 of them interesting
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Mar 28, 2019 9:05:12 GMT -5
Nightcloud is still trash.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 18:52:38 GMT -5
Dove x Tiger isn't that bad and people need to stop overreacting about it every time they're in a book.
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