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Post by scint on Mar 22, 2019 18:01:55 GMT -5
Curious, since I'm participating in a Spottedleaf MAP and Spottedleaf has been on my mind recently. How would you rewrite Spottedleaf, if at all?
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Post by halogen on Mar 22, 2019 18:05:34 GMT -5
Just not include most of her role at all, just have her be a random medicine cat who dies in the first book so Yellowfang can take over. Her whole "romance" plot with FIrestar and constant StarCLan appearances are really unnecessary and I don't think there's really a way to make it interesting.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 22, 2019 18:05:58 GMT -5
I'd just take out her romantic interest in Firestar, have ThistlexSpotted not exist, and have her live longer. She was fine as a mentor-like figure and I feel like she should've stayed that way. Maybe Firepaw could've still had a crush on her, but it would've been like a cute puppy love sort of thing that he grows out of.
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Mar 22, 2019 18:09:32 GMT -5
I also agree with taking out the romance with Firestar. It's unnecessary.
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Post by !Rowanfur on Mar 22, 2019 18:09:56 GMT -5
I'd just take out her romantic interest in Firestar, have ThistlexSpotted not exist, and have her live longer. She was fine as a mentor-like figure and I feel like she should've stayed that way. Maybe Firepaw could've still had a crush on her, but it would've been like a cute puppy love sort of thing that he grows out of. YES you said exactly what i came in this thread to say honestly.... spottedleaf is tied to a lot of unsavory parts of the books (like thistle/spotted, and her crush on rusty, like you said).... and i think, personally, it would have been better had she acted more like a big sister to him!
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Post by kinkajou on Mar 22, 2019 18:10:26 GMT -5
I'd try to keep her ItW personality as a sweet and gifted medicine cat who is no-nonsense but has a sense of humor. I'd have her not be in love with Firestar (maybe a one-sided crush on his part that he gets over when he falls in love with Sandstorm), instead she'd be his friend/spirit guide. She would not encourage Leafpool to run off with Crowfeather and get mad at her when she does. She would also not be as weirdly involved with SkyClan, that didn't make sense to me. Also, SH would not exist
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Post by Cheetahstar on Mar 22, 2019 19:44:48 GMT -5
Replace thistle with tigerclaw in spottedleafs heart if you reallly want that subplot of her and an evil cat, makes more sense.. perhaps shes sent a warning but tries to 'redeem him'
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 20:28:19 GMT -5
*kicks self for missing thread since Spottedleaf is my favorite BG character*
I would have still included her love triangle with Firestar and Sandstorm, but I would have changed the way it had ended, both in Firestar's Quest and TLH.
I would have kept her personality from Into the Wild, since that was what got me into her, in the first place. However, I would have kept her around, even a bit longer; I felt her death was way too soon for it to have any bearing on Firestar and the rest of the series.
I would have developed her relationship more with Firestar, and perhaps switched that out with GrayXSilver (as in, replacing the latter with the former). In the aftermath of her death, I would have kept her link with the 'Fire will save the Clan' Prophecy, and flesh her role out more, than just appearing in the odd dream here and there for Firestar.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Mar 23, 2019 0:15:28 GMT -5
In my many Warriors AU/Re-writes, I usually just make Spottedleaf a calm and wise medicine cat who was obsessed with healing and figuring out herbs. I would prefer her to be pansexual just to get rid of the entire drama surrounding her character and past. No Thistleclaw. No flirting with Tigerclaw. No crush or obsession with Firepaw/heart/star. None of that. When she dies in my AUs, I turn her into a martyr. She chooses to die, thinking that when she gets to Starclan, she will be treated special (yes, she would be that kind of stuck up medicine cat).
If she were to remain Firestar's Starclan guide (as I am fond of medicine cats, deputies, and leaders all having their own Starclan guide when they get their full clan positions), Spottedleaf as a spirit guide to Firestar would ACTUALLY be useful and not meddle in idiotic ways.
Literally so much can be done to fix Spottedleaf. It's baffling she was just created to be a bland meddling love interest with no other substance.
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Post by Sea Drops by a Bird on Mar 23, 2019 13:17:30 GMT -5
There would be no Spotted and anybody. She would be a devoted and gifted medicine cat, unwilling to alter that for any cat. Perhaps if you want something twisted have a cat fall in love with her (not Firestar) and she reject him, which just causes him to become obsessed with her. let him be a cat with a prophecy hanging over him about him being evil and her interest in him solely be devoted to not making that happen, and then he kills her leaving Firestar to avenge her or something in that nature.
But do not kill her so quickly in the series, save it for later on. And let the relationship between her and Firestar be more similar to a friendship/mentorship, where he is the cat prophesied to save the clan and the other cat is prophesied to destroy it.
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Post by なんで私 on Mar 23, 2019 15:46:25 GMT -5
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Post by Papillon on Mar 23, 2019 16:22:20 GMT -5
She wouldn't exist at all because she's pointless and fire x spotted is creepy
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Post by Rio on Mar 23, 2019 16:32:25 GMT -5
I always thought it would have been cool if she was just a member of Firepaw's friendship group :0 The whole romance thing was super forced(tbf tho it was like 2003 and forced, underdeveloped romances were all the rage in middle school fiction) and I think it would have had a far bigger impact if someone from his friendship group died. It would have also been cool if they had aged her down a bit but put an emphasis on how she had kinda been forced to mature quicker after her mentor died and hanging out with Firepaw and the gang is a form of escapism for her or something. That or big sis Spottedleaf.
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Post by ~Duskheart~ on Mar 23, 2019 23:50:30 GMT -5
Unpopular opinion alert.
After rereading TPB a few times, I actually like the little baby romance Firepaw/heart had for Spottedleaf. Sometimes people just get inexplicable and fierce feelings for each other. I also didn't mind her being like... the dead cat messenger for Firepaw/heart. I liked her as a plot element, for the first series.
Also, I don't even mind ThistlexSpotted as a concept.
Yes, I am aware of all of their canonical ages.
Here's where I have a problem:
I think she becomes a little too much after the first series. Maybe it "makes sense" for her to continue her close interaction with ThunderClan, but I think her plot role as a guardian for Firepaw/heart seems a lot less special/intimate(not intimate in a romantic way) when she just starts popping up for literally any cat who gets a perspective. I think, in general, "watchful" characters can easily shift a fine line into annoying. (Like Mapleshade. She was creepy for the first 2 or so cats she stalked... but beyond that, just a meme).
Spottedleaf definitely stepped over that line quickly, and stayed there for a very long time.
Also, even though ThistlexSpotted doesn't bother me as a concept, the novella Spottedleaf's Heart feels like an entirely unnecessary extra POV of a story we have already seen through a more interesting lense. And it didn't feel like it added anything to Thistleclaw, Bluefur, or Spottedleaf's character. It just sort of... exists as a novella. It feels empty.
IN SUMMARY: I'd cut her out of every book that follows the first arc, except very minor StarClan appearances. I would eliminate Spottedleaf's Heart.
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