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Post by โ
Maplefrostโ
on Mar 15, 2019 14:49:43 GMT -5
Time for some prediction polls. Who thinks Sleekwhisker will show up in the next series as the main villain?
I feel like she'll be a villain, but not the main one at least. But she'll most likely be back, unless they just to decide to bring her back for an SE and kill her off then. But I hope that's not the case.
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Post by mymerlincat on Mar 15, 2019 14:51:46 GMT -5
I want to vote probably but I'd love it if she did as she's one of my favorite villains so I can't vote that option
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 14:59:16 GMT -5
I would rather have her than older villains return like Sol or Ashfur. At least she's an interesting villain. Ashfur just complained that he didn't get what he wanted, while Sol was lazy and manipulative, failing every time he tried to destroy the Clans. Sleekwhisker's motives, however, were very dark, and that she was meant to be a villain. Ashfur was forced, while Sol wasn't that interesting.
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Post by โ
Maplefrostโ
on Mar 15, 2019 15:02:17 GMT -5
Her motives were plainly because she thought it was fun. Which is quite twisted, but suited for a villainous character like her. I think it's more chilling when you take into consideration that she probably helped drown her mother, tried to kill her grandmother, threatened to kill kits, killed one of her best friends and almost another, helped drown several of her clanmates in general, and later murders her own grandfather. She's honestly racking up a reputation.
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Post by Lightflame on Mar 15, 2019 15:18:53 GMT -5
Yes, along with Juniperclaw.
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Mar 15, 2019 16:06:36 GMT -5
I hope she does, but I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't either.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 16:20:54 GMT -5
I don't care if she comes back or not, as long as the villain of the arc does a good job as the villain.
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Post by vectoring34 on Mar 15, 2019 16:32:16 GMT -5
Sleekwhisker is basically what would happen if you took any generic rogue that followed Tigerstar in the first series and then made him female. I have zero idea what makes her so popular, her personality is just "evil thug with little on brains". If she does return, I hope it's solely for the purpose of being killed off so a real villain gets a victim to his/her name. I doubt she will though unless it's just for fanservice.
I just don't see how a random henchman has enough power and charisma to be a main villain. Maybe a one off killer like Ashfur, but even then Ashfur had a lot more leverage and build up.
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Post by Brindlefern on Mar 15, 2019 16:41:27 GMT -5
Please GOD no, unless they plan to kill the bitch I don't wanna see her again either.
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Mar 15, 2019 17:46:55 GMT -5
Sleekwhisker is basically what would happen if you took any generic rogue that followed Tigerstar in the first series and then made him female. I have zero idea what makes her so popular, her personali hity is just "evil thug with little on brains". If she does return, I hope it's solely for the purpose of being killed off so a real villain gets a victim to his/her name. I doubt she will though unless it's just for fanservice. I just don't see how a random henchman has enough power and charisma to be a main villain. Maybe a one off killer like Ashfur, but even then Ashfur had a lot more leverage and build up. That's kind of the point, though. Sleekwhisker is popular, but it's not like she's popular in a good way. She's slimy at best and is basically a more insane, female Darkstripe. She's entertaining, but it's more in a love to hate sort of way, regardless of motives and personality. Just her actions alone make me want to keep on reading about her and also hope she pays for what she's done. Unless you've actually found people who genuinely love her, then yeah I'm not sure about that. That said, if she does return, I also hope it's for the sake of killing her off. I'm not sure how I'd feel about her being a main antagonist if she returns in the next arc, but I honestly couldn't care less so long as her death is confirmed. That's really all I care about now when it comes to characters like her.
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Post by vectoring34 on Mar 15, 2019 17:59:59 GMT -5
Sleekwhisker is basically what would happen if you took any generic rogue that followed Tigerstar in the first series and then made him female. I have zero idea what makes her so popular, her personali hity is just "evil thug with little on brains". If she does return, I hope it's solely for the purpose of being killed off so a real villain gets a victim to his/her name. I doubt she will though unless it's just for fanservice. I just don't see how a random henchman has enough power and charisma to be a main villain. Maybe a one off killer like Ashfur, but even then Ashfur had a lot more leverage and build up. That's kind of the point, though. Sleekwhisker is popular, but it's not like she's popular in a good way. She's slimy at best and is basically a more insane, female Darkstripe. She's entertaining, but it's more in a love to hate sort of way, regardless of motives and personality. Just her actions alone make me want to keep on reading about her and also hope she pays for what she's done. Unless you've actually found people who genuinely love her, then yeah I'm not sure about that. That said, if she does return, I also hope it's for the sake of killing her off. I'm not sure how I'd feel about her being a main antagonist if she returns in the next arc, but I honestly couldn't care less so long as her death is confirmed. That's really all I care about now when it comes to characters like her. I understand that people like her as a villain, but I don't understand why as a villain she gets such adoration. You make the comparison to Darkstripe, but Darkstripe was far less cookie cutter. Darkstripe was a coward, they made jokes about how he was ugly, and he constantly fawns over Tigerstar while Tigerstar just sort of shakes him off in a really funny way. Darkstripe is the good kind of henchman because he actually stands out. You can name ways he's different from Tigerstar's other henchmen and see that his relationship with Tigerstar's different. Sleekwhisker though? She has absolutely nothing at all that makes her any different from any of Darktail's other rogues. Yes, you could say she's more insane than Darkstripe, but that applies to all of the other rogues. What makes Darkstripe special is that he's NOT as violent and angry all the time as the generic minions who are. By not having that trait, it actively makes Sleekwhisker less unique. She's more similar to someone like Clawface than to Darkstripe. My problem with Sleekwhisker isn't that she's evil, it's that she's interchangeable personality wise with Clawface, first arc Blackfoot, Maggottail, Shredtail, Sparrowfeather, Jaggedtooth, Nettle, and so on. There's nothing wrong with that sort of character(villains have to have minions after all), but they also just aren't that important nor memorable. The part that baffles me is that Sleekwhisker is more popular than all those guys combined and multiplied twice over.
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Mar 15, 2019 18:44:46 GMT -5
That's kind of the point, though. Sleekwhisker is popular, but it's not like she's popular in a good way. She's slimy at best and is basically a more insane, female Darkstripe. She's entertaining, but it's more in a love to hate sort of way, regardless of motives and personality. Just her actions alone make me want to keep on reading about her and also hope she pays for what she's done. Unless you've actually found people who genuinely love her, then yeah I'm not sure about that. That said, if she does return, I also hope it's for the sake of killing her off. I'm not sure how I'd feel about her being a main antagonist if she returns in the next arc, but I honestly couldn't care less so long as her death is confirmed. That's really all I care about now when it comes to characters like her. I understand that people like her as a villain, but I don't understand why as a villain she gets such adoration. You make the comparison to Darkstripe, but Darkstripe was far less cookie cutter. Darkstripe was a coward, they made jokes about how he was ugly, and he constantly fawns over Tigerstar while Tigerstar just sort of shakes him off in a really funny way. Darkstripe is the good kind of henchman because he actually stands out. You can name ways he's different from Tigerstar's other henchmen and see that his relationship with Tigerstar's different. Sleekwhisker though? She has absolutely nothing at all that makes her any different from any of Darktail's other rogues. Yes, you could say she's more insane than Darkstripe, but that applies to all of the other rogues. What makes Darkstripe special is that he's NOT as violent and angry all the time as the generic minions who are. By not having that trait, it actively makes Sleekwhisker less unique. She's more similar to someone like Clawface than to Darkstripe. My problem with Sleekwhisker isn't that she's evil, it's that she's interchangeable personality wise with Clawface, first arc Blackfoot, Maggottail, Shredtail, Sparrowfeather, Jaggedtooth, Nettle, and so on. There's nothing wrong with that sort of character(villains have to have minions after all), but they also just aren't that important nor memorable. The part that baffles me is that Sleekwhisker is more popular than all those guys combined and multiplied twice over. I compared her to Darkstripe due to her blind loyalty to Darktail, as Darkstripe was with Tigerstar. Both cats were given a second chance, but it turned out to be a ruse, to the point where they put kits in danger and tried to kill their former leaders. Sleekwhisker also helped kill her friend and may have helped drowned her own mother as well. Again, it's not personality I'm focusing on here, but action. Another thing to keep in mind is her presence. She's one of the more memorable Kin for a reason, in part because of how often she's around. She's also one of the few antagonists in the series to actually flee at the end, as well as lacked belief in StarClan despite being Clanborn. You're right that she's interchangeable in personality, but I think the fact that she tried to cause harm to her own grandparents also had something to do with it, as this connection as well as kidnapping a pair of kits shows just how messed up she truly is. She may not care, but the readers sure do, and it really make some wonder just what's been going on in that head of hers. I'm not sure if I'm explaining this well, but my point is that Sleekwhisker's actions are despicable and that's what gets people talking. If she had been just a follower with a similar role to Clawface or even Spikefur or something, I doubt people would care as much. Regardless though, I really hope the next antagonist isn't associated with ShadowClan, even if they're a former member. I'm tired of something bad happening to them almost every arc, but I wouldn't be surprised, either.
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Post by scint on Mar 15, 2019 18:46:56 GMT -5
I'd rather that over Ashfur, Sol, Mapleshade, or Darktail returning. Having them return is called bad writing.
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Post by vectoring34 on Mar 15, 2019 19:05:11 GMT -5
I understand that people like her as a villain, but I don't understand why as a villain she gets such adoration. You make the comparison to Darkstripe, but Darkstripe was far less cookie cutter. Darkstripe was a coward, they made jokes about how he was ugly, and he constantly fawns over Tigerstar while Tigerstar just sort of shakes him off in a really funny way. Darkstripe is the good kind of henchman because he actually stands out. You can name ways he's different from Tigerstar's other henchmen and see that his relationship with Tigerstar's different. Sleekwhisker though? She has absolutely nothing at all that makes her any different from any of Darktail's other rogues. Yes, you could say she's more insane than Darkstripe, but that applies to all of the other rogues. What makes Darkstripe special is that he's NOT as violent and angry all the time as the generic minions who are. By not having that trait, it actively makes Sleekwhisker less unique. She's more similar to someone like Clawface than to Darkstripe. My problem with Sleekwhisker isn't that she's evil, it's that she's interchangeable personality wise with Clawface, first arc Blackfoot, Maggottail, Shredtail, Sparrowfeather, Jaggedtooth, Nettle, and so on. There's nothing wrong with that sort of character(villains have to have minions after all), but they also just aren't that important nor memorable. The part that baffles me is that Sleekwhisker is more popular than all those guys combined and multiplied twice over. I compared her to Darkstripe due to her blind loyalty to Darktail, as Darkstripe was with Tigerstar. Both cats were given a second chance, but it turned out to be a ruse, to the point where they put kits in danger and tried to kill their former leaders. Sleekwhisker also helped kill her friend and may have helped drowned her own mother as well. Again, it's not personality I'm focusing on here, but action. Another thing to keep in mind is her presence. She's one of the more memorable Kin for a reason, in part because of how often she's around. She's also one of the few antagonists in the series to actually flee at the end, as well as lacked belief in StarClan despite being Clanborn. You're right that she's interchangeable in personality, but I think the fact that she tried to cause harm to her own grandparents also had something to do with it, as this connection as well as kidnapping a pair of kits shows just how messed up she truly is. She may not care, but the readers sure do, and it really make some wonder just what's been going on in that head of hers. I'm not sure if I'm explaining this well, but my point is that Sleekwhisker's actions are despicable and that's what gets people talking. If she had been just a follower with a similar role to Clawface or even Spikefur or something, I doubt people would care as much. Regardless though, I really hope the next antagonist isn't associated with ShadowClan, even if they're a former member. I'm tired of something bad happening to them almost every arc, but I wouldn't be surprised, either. Darkstripe had loyalty which set him apart. Even after Tigerstar's death, he kept on fighting under his banner and didn't even join Bloodclan because Tigerstar was everything to him. Now that was devotion. Sleekwhisker did not do this. Instead she just followed along with Nettle's plan and wanted revenge because she felt personally slighted by Rowanstar. Certainly not out of despair that Darktail had died. Some of their actions were similar, but the personality behind them is way different. He's more unique. Is she more memorable than the rest of the Kin? The only reason I even remember her is because of that PMV which exploded in popularity. When actually reading, she was just among the rest of the Kin in terms of importance. She's around slightly longer, sure, but Nettle and Raven were around for a similar period. Kidnapping kits does not make one memorable or the same would be said of Tigerstar's rogues. Trying to hurt her grandparents is really the single unique trait she has but we're not even sure if she actually followed up on it given her side of the battle is off-screen. Sleekwhisker is despicable, but she's no more despicable than the likes of Clawface. He kidnapped kits as well, after all and actually killed cats(Sleekwhisker as far as we know never actually landed a killing blow on anyone. Sure, she helped, but ultimately no direct kills to her names which lowers her appeal for toughness). Sometimes that's why I wonder if Sleekwhisker's popularity came before the PMV or if the PMV made her popular.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Mar 15, 2019 19:39:46 GMT -5
Probably. But I hope she gets her ass handed to her for everything she's done.
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Post by Showers on Mar 15, 2019 20:59:49 GMT -5
Probably but I never want to see her again.
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