#FF55A3
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Apricity
Bravelands is too slept on.
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Post by Apricity on Mar 14, 2019 21:47:34 GMT -5
Do you think the forest territories had their stay in the series or do you wish they would have stayed longer? I'm not sure, but I would have liked to see the forest territories for at least two arcs and a half rather than an arc and a half.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 21:53:57 GMT -5
Actually, that is rather a good point. Since we got to see the lake territories for three arcs and a half, and the forest territories for only an arc and a half, as you said, I feel as if it was an unfair ratio(?) between the two.
Also, is it just me, or did the forest territories seem more natural within Fireheart/some of Brambleclaw's POVs?
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Post by scint on Mar 14, 2019 21:55:23 GMT -5
Eh, I'm not really sure tbh. On one hand I prefer the new territories, but on the other you have a good point...
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#FF55A3
Name Colour
Apricity
Bravelands is too slept on.
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Post by Apricity on Mar 14, 2019 22:14:18 GMT -5
absolutely. i also think it's telling that despite us spending so much more time in the lake territories, a good majority of the fandom is more attached to the old forest. i wish they had spent time developing the lake and its landmarks more. we don't really have an equivalent to snakerocks, sunningrocks, the sandy hollow, the great sycamore, the owl tree, etc. in the lake territories. it all sort of blurs together, especially for thunderclan. at least shadowclan has the old twoleg nest with jacques and susan The mossy clearing is the equivalent to the sandy hollow and the ancient oak is the equivalent to the great sycamore, I think. And there's the abandoned Twoleg nest and the camping grounds (Greenleaf Twoleg place) as more landmarks, but I get what you mean. They're not as memorable as the originals and there's not as many.
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Lesbian
Owl
always writing, never finishing
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Post by Owl on Mar 14, 2019 22:59:25 GMT -5
absolutely. i also think it's telling that despite us spending so much more time in the lake territories, a good majority of the fandom is more attached to the old forest. i wish they had spent time developing the lake and its landmarks more. we don't really have an equivalent to snakerocks, sunningrocks, the sandy hollow, the great sycamore, the owl tree, etc. in the lake territories. it all sort of blurs together, especially for thunderclan. at least shadowclan has the old twoleg nest with jacques and susan The mossy clearing is the equivalent to the sandy hollow and the ancient oak is the equivalent to the great sycamore, I think. And there's the abandoned Twoleg nest and the camping grounds (Greenleaf Twoleg place) as more landmarks, but I get what you mean. They're not as memorable as the originals and there's not as many. yeah. you can tell the erins tried to put in new memorable landmarks, and the characters did interact with them somewhat frequently in tnp, but it feels like most of them were forgotten as the arcs went on. it's interesting that they at least try to keep the camping grounds relevant for riverclan and the twoleg nest for shadowclan in the later arcs, but none of the thunderclan lake landmarks have had much of an impact in the later arcs
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Post by dashingshadows on Mar 14, 2019 22:59:41 GMT -5
YES
The old territory had history, it’s where the clans had lived for countless generations. There were clear landmarks and a fair idea of how big each piece of territory was. They couldn’t leave their territories to hunt more because they were bordered by Twolegplace and a farm, every pawstep of territory was important. The clans all shared borders, and there was a real tension caused by it. It was a great setting.
So much of the current arc’s issues are tied to the lake separating everyone and the territories feeling (and possibly being) enormous. Nothing boxes anyone in, ShadowClan could push their border north, and so could SkyClan and the whole second half of AVOS could have been different. There was also a ton of room north of the clans (the Kin used it to support basically an army, there was plenty of prey) that SkyClan could live in, no one needed to give up territory. The island is separated from everyone except RiverClan, there’s no history to why it would have a connection to any Clan, Fourtrees was where the battle that gave rise to their society took place, the island had a tree that squashed Mudclaw. There’s a farm inside Clan territory that further separates the Clans, as WindClan and RiverClan barely share a border. Everything is too far apart and too vague honestly
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#add8e6
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*Ravenpaw*
Warrior Fanatic
*reads books in a corner*
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Mar 15, 2019 15:38:15 GMT -5
Interesting point.
I personally loved the old territory, even though it was small. Like dashingshadows said, it has history. The lake territory is not that great.
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Post by Sea Drops by a Bird on Mar 15, 2019 21:30:23 GMT -5
The old territory was better for storytelling because it was smaller, more contained, and they all had to interact with each other. Now WindClan and ShadowClan and RiverClan and ThunderClan have no interactions, and the two groups have long history with one another. Granted I'm sure that was by design to shake things up, but given we only spent an arc and a half in the old forest it didn't really need shaking up.
Personally I don't like that the clans aren't connected to one another and I don't like the island they use for gatherings. It would dissapear if a twoleg came and removed the fallen tree, or if a storm carried it towards the center of the lake. We're more cut off from the other clans, and their territories are so big there's almost no true reason for prey stealing. They each have borders with two other clans and then a large expanse of territory that borders no one all to themselves. Why ever even fight over land or prey? Or really, at all? Cat's having to travel across another's territory to reach the gathering place or even interact with other clans is a nuisance at best.
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