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Post by Cheetahstar on Mar 14, 2019 16:13:57 GMT -5
I can't see why starclan would send this vision? Did they want Mapleshades kits to get exiled? I just dont see any logic behind it.
still salty how everyone in that book is horrible (excluding the kits)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 16:20:48 GMT -5
Honestly, I always thought that StarClan was telling Ravenwing that the kits were simply half-Clan and nothing more. Ravenwing likely misinterpreted it, especially since he said "I think" in the sentence. StarClan would never want innocent kits harmed.
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Post by Cheetahstar on Mar 14, 2019 16:37:39 GMT -5
Honestly, I always thought that StarClan was telling Ravenwing that the kits were simply half-Clan and nothing more. Ravenwing likely misinterpreted it, especially since he said "I think" in the sentence. StarClan would never want innocent kits harmed. why would they do that? I dont think they ever did stuff like that for all the other halfclan kits?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 16:50:07 GMT -5
Honestly, I always thought that StarClan was telling Ravenwing that the kits were simply half-Clan and nothing more. Ravenwing likely misinterpreted it, especially since he said "I think" in the sentence. StarClan would never want innocent kits harmed. why would they do that? I dont think they ever did stuff like that for all the other halfclan kits? Ravenwing's interpretation is no less valid than anyone else's. He, along with every other Medicine cats, are just trying to do their best with what little they get. If the Medicine cat didn't get Starclan's intended meaning, Starclan are to blame for making their messages so vauge and out of context. I think Medicine cats bare no reasonabilities for the omens they receive. Don't shoot the messager afterall. It's neither their duty or authority to tamper with Starclan messages in any way. And that includes keeping it secret from the relevant cats for any length of time. It doesn't matter how the relevant cat gets certain information, it's their fault for reacting violently to it, in this case, Oakstar. Just like it's not Runningnose's fault Tigerclaw got into power when he was tricked by the fake claw omen. Tigerclaw was definitely suspicious at the time, however, it wasn't Runningnose's authority to keep silent if he generally thought Starclan had chosen him. Neither was Cinderpelt's fault for Firestar getting aggressive at his daughter when she thought Squirrelpaw/Brambleclaw were future evil during Midnight.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 17:19:41 GMT -5
why would they do that? I dont think they ever did stuff like that for all the other halfclan kits? Ravenwing's interpretation is no less valid than anyone else's. He, along with every other Medicine cats, are just trying to do their best with what little they get. If the Medicine cat didn't get Starclan's intended meaning, Starclan are to blame for making their messages so vauge and out of context. I think Medicine cats bare no reasonabilities for the omens they receive. Don't shoot the messager afterall. It's neither their duty or authority to tamper with Starclan messages in any way. And that includes keeping it secret from the relevant cats for any length of time. It doesn't matter how the relevant cat gets certain information, it's their fault for reacting violently to it, in this case, Oakstar. Just like it's not Runningnose's fault Tigerclaw got into power when he was tricked by the fake claw omen. Tigerclaw was definitely suspicious at the time, however, it wasn't Runningnose's authority to keep silent if he generally thought Starclan had chosen him. Neither was Cinderpelt's fault for Firestar getting aggressive at his daughter when she thought Squirrelpaw/Brambleclaw were future evil during Midnight. It makes me mad that people blame Ravenwing for the kits' exile. I never blamed him, especially when the kits showed obvious signs, as well as Mapleshade being stupid enough to take them to the river for proof of RiverClan heritage. Ravenwing can't predict what Oakstar was going to do to the queen and her kits. Fans are biased, imo, and blindly follow Mapleshade's PoV without trying to understand the others. Mapleshade brought them to the river, thought that it was okay to lie to her whole Clan, using someone's identity while they're still dead, and on top of all of that, giving Frecklewish false hope. Mapleshade isn't innocent, really stupid in fact, for thinking that it would be okay to lie to everyone. At least Dovewing and Leafpool knew they were wrong; Mapleshade just didn't care at all.
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Post by Cheetahstar on Mar 14, 2019 18:43:26 GMT -5
Ravenwing's interpretation is no less valid than anyone else's. He, along with every other Medicine cats, are just trying to do their best with what little they get. If the Medicine cat didn't get Starclan's intended meaning, Starclan are to blame for making their messages so vauge and out of context. I think Medicine cats bare no reasonabilities for the omens they receive. Don't shoot the messager afterall. It's neither their duty or authority to tamper with Starclan messages in any way. And that includes keeping it secret from the relevant cats for any length of time. It doesn't matter how the relevant cat gets certain information, it's their fault for reacting violently to it, in this case, Oakstar. Just like it's not Runningnose's fault Tigerclaw got into power when he was tricked by the fake claw omen. Tigerclaw was definitely suspicious at the time, however, it wasn't Runningnose's authority to keep silent if he generally thought Starclan had chosen him. Neither was Cinderpelt's fault for Firestar getting aggressive at his daughter when she thought Squirrelpaw/Brambleclaw were future evil during Midnight. It makes me mad that people blame Ravenwing for the kits' exile. I never blamed him, especially when the kits showed obvious signs, as well as Mapleshade being stupid enough to take them to the river for proof of RiverClan heritage. Ravenwing can't predict what Oakstar was going to do to the queen and her kits. Fans are biased, imo, and blindly follow Mapleshade's PoV without trying to understand the others. Mapleshade brought them to the river, thought that it was okay to lie to her whole Clan, using someone's identity while they're still dead, and on top of all of that, giving Frecklewish false hope. Mapleshade isn't innocent, really stupid in fact, for thinking that it would be okay to lie to everyone. At least Dovewing and Leafpool knew they were wrong; Mapleshade just didn't care at all. *is one of the people who blame ravenwing and think hes trash*
he didnt say anything when the kits were exiled... hes trash imo
but this isnt the place to debate, im just wondering what the heck the prophecy even was about
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