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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 13:58:57 GMT -5
They both probably get the same amount of hate so I'm curious tbh.
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Post by Moonblazer on Mar 14, 2019 14:08:44 GMT -5
Needletail honestly. Dovewing’s just selfish, but at least she knows she’s selfish yet caring about Shadowclan. Needletail is nasty and selfish and takes no responsability for things that were mostly her fault.
Dovewing doesn’t manipulate kits to attack their siblings either, and doesn’t lure murderous cats knowingly to the clans soooo
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Post by scint on Mar 14, 2019 14:12:39 GMT -5
Needletail is waaaaaaaaay worse lol
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Mar 14, 2019 14:15:05 GMT -5
I love Needletail. She was complex. Irritating, yes, but still complex, especially towards the end.
Dovewing, however, has been irritating since day 1, and she only kept getting worse and worse the more the books focused on her stupid crappy love life. Now she's just an irritating waste of space who has mary sue children
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 15:22:34 GMT -5
I love Needletail. She was complex. Irritating, yes, but still complex, especially towards the end. Dovewing, however, has been irritating since day 1, and she only kept getting worse and worse the more the books focused on her stupid crappy love life. Now she's just an irritating waste of space who has mary sue children You.. can't call her kits mary-sues when they haven't even been fully developed yet. =A=
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 16:42:05 GMT -5
Between a cat who's kinda whiny and selfish or a cat who's flat-out treasonous and helped nearly destroy ShadowClan...I'm gonna go with Needletail being worse.
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#add8e6
Name Colour
*Ravenpaw*
Warrior Fanatic
*reads books in a corner*
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Mar 14, 2019 17:31:17 GMT -5
I'd go with Needletail. She's been annoying since she was a 'paw.
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Post by Brindlefern on Mar 14, 2019 17:33:31 GMT -5
Needletail is def. worse.
Dovewing's selfish yes (And whiny, but at least she's had some reasons to be), but at least it's not to the extent of Needletail who's just nasty.
Also her kits aren't Mary Sues when we don't even know how they'll be written as apprentices/adults can we NOT go throwing that junk of a word already?
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Mar 14, 2019 18:07:54 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of Dovewing at all because she's just not a character type I like But Needletail pretty much caused the fall of Shadowclan, sooo....
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 14, 2019 19:57:35 GMT -5
Dovewing, imo. At least Needletail as a reason for why she was the way she was.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 14, 2019 20:00:26 GMT -5
Needletail honestly. Dovewing’s just selfish, but at least she knows she’s selfish yet caring about Shadowclan. Needletail is nasty and selfish and takes no responsability for things that were mostly her fault. Dovewing doesn’t manipulate kits to attack their siblings either, and doesn’t lure murderous cats knowingly to the clans soooo You're right, instead, Dovewing runs away from home and makes her clan waste time looking for her. Put her own unborn kits in danger, and manipulates her mate to run after her, which eventually also led to ShadowClan not just falling again, but literally ceasing to exist. It's rather ironic that what they both have in common is making ShadowClan fall apart. (Then again, Needletail just helped it push under new leadership, not fall apart, compared to Dovewing that led the only real stability the clan had left, Tigerheart, away from them) Needle making Violet fight Twig had more to do with the whole blood =/= family theme they were drilling into that arc.
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Post by kinkajou on Mar 14, 2019 20:01:18 GMT -5
There are at least a few things I like about Dovewing so
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 14, 2019 20:15:39 GMT -5
As someone who likes both of them, I'll go with Dovewing. At least Needletail's story arc didn't revolve around romantic drama, an annoying sisterly rivalry, and powers that were useful in only a handful of instances and ultimately amounted to nothing when the final battle came.
The biggest disappointment with Dovewing was how wasted her story potential was, and that's what annoys me the most. And even though Needletail's arc isn't perfect either, she at least served a larger purpose to the storyline in four books than Dovewing did in her entire lifetime.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 21:03:27 GMT -5
Either I ended this too quickly, or Needletail truly is more annoying than Dovewing according to most fans.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 14, 2019 21:05:11 GMT -5
17 votes isn't most fans?
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