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Post by Jaysnow on Feb 19, 2019 22:42:27 GMT -5
If the POV isn't Shadowkit, I'll eat a sock.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 19, 2019 22:44:06 GMT -5
Actually, I wouldn't mind Shadowkit if he was made to be an anti-hero. That would be interesting, but that's my (incredibly unpopular and possibly hated) opinion. I wouldn't mind it either. An anti-hero Medicine cat? That'd be a new one. While a healer villain isn't everyone's forte (I wouldn't mind it either but that's my unpopular opinion), it'd be interesting to have a more "morally grey" one for the first time. It actually isn't new. At least in terms of protagonists, Jayfeather was an anti-hero medicine cat as well.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 20, 2019 5:23:01 GMT -5
I'm cringing at the fact that Shadowkit is getting a pov. Considering all the crap the Erins and the editors shoved down our throats recently with ShadowClan, I'm honestly half tempted not to bother with these books at all. It's no wonder so many fans have been hopping off the series lately... I can't wait for the Erins once again find some reason to excuse DoveTiger over their horrid behavior and let them practically get away with it because their kits are special tm. I honestly have no interest in reading about a kit that joyously got another character killed in an attempt to make everyone hold hands and sing kumbaya. Meanwhile RiverClan is left high and dry YET AGAIN. I'm not surprised.
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Post by Moonblazer on Feb 20, 2019 9:27:03 GMT -5
Should have been Riverclan’s PoV. I’m so tired of DoveTiger and their kits and of Shadowclan suffering for all this crap. Riverclan is so underrepresented that it hurts.
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Post by gonxkillua on Feb 20, 2019 9:47:14 GMT -5
Should have been Riverclan’s PoV. I’m so tired of DoveTiger and their kits and of Shadowclan suffering for all this crap. Riverclan is so underrepresented that it hurts. The Erin's only ever give povs to characters in the modern main series that are related to previous major characters probably because it easier to market as well as keep track of( probably the real reason they had DovexTiger get back together at all so the next Shadowclan mc could the kid of a former mc and tiger clone to) and I know you'll say Twig and Violet but they ended up being grandkids of one of the most prominent Skyclan cats. Do I like that they do this? Nope but it's there pattern and I can see why they use it.We probably won't even have a chance at a RC main pov till Reedwhisker has kits as he's the only character there descendant of anyone of note.We have a better chance a WC POV that's decsdacdant of Crowfeather than Riverclan right now unfountraly.
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Post by Moonblazer on Feb 20, 2019 10:33:31 GMT -5
Should have been Riverclan’s PoV. I’m so tired of DoveTiger and their kits and of Shadowclan suffering for all this crap. Riverclan is so underrepresented that it hurts. The Erin's only ever give povs to characters in the modern main series that are related to previous major characters probably because it easier to market as well as keep track of( probably the real reason they had DovexTiger get back together at all so the next Shadowclan mc could the kid of a former mc and tiger clone to) and I know you'll say Twig and Violet but they ended up being grandkids of one of the most prominent Skyclan cats. Do I like that they do this? Nope but it's there pattern and I can see why they use it.We probably won't even have a chance at a RC main pov till Reedwhisker has kits as he's the only character there descendant of anyone of note.We have a better chance a WC POV that's decsdacdant of Crowfeather than Riverclan right now unfountraly. If that’s the case I’d rather have a pov of Smoke or Brindle in WC than anymore of this DoveTiger Shadow garbage
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Post by gonxkillua on Feb 20, 2019 11:14:54 GMT -5
The Erin's only ever give povs to characters in the modern main series that are related to previous major characters probably because it easier to market as well as keep track of( probably the real reason they had DovexTiger get back together at all so the next Shadowclan mc could the kid of a former mc and tiger clone to) and I know you'll say Twig and Violet but they ended up being grandkids of one of the most prominent Skyclan cats. Do I like that they do this? Nope but it's there pattern and I can see why they use it.We probably won't even have a chance at a RC main pov till Reedwhisker has kits as he's the only character there descendant of anyone of note.We have a better chance a WC POV that's decsdacdant of Crowfeather than Riverclan right now unfountraly. If that’s the case I’d rather have a pov of Smoke or Brindle in WC than anymore of this DoveTiger Shadow garbage They likely did the Dove/ Tiger stuff just for another SC POV since Violet was leaving. They should've maybe just kept Dawnpelt alive,give her the SE and let her be the mother of Shadowkit becuuse God knows she deserved another litter but either them or the editors likely the latter pushed/ wanted for DovexTiger because Dove as the mc of two arcs would be more profitable in thier eyes epscalllly since Oots was such a success sell wise.
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Post by Haze on Feb 20, 2019 12:25:46 GMT -5
We had the entire AVoS plus 2 SE to setup a Shadowclan and Skyclan pov, I dont know why anyone would expect a Riverclan one out of nowhere.
And protagonist parents almost dont appear in the series, the amount of times that Sandstorm got a scene in TNP was minimum, the same with Squirrelflight in AVoS. Firestar and Bramblestar only got more screen time because they were leaders.
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Post by vectoring34 on Feb 20, 2019 12:50:23 GMT -5
I'll forgive A Vision of Shadows if, like Power of Three, it's better read AFTER the next arc as a prequel that adds depth and functions as a dark tragedy. However, I doubt it, given it doesn't end in tragedy at all.
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Post by gonxkillua on Feb 20, 2019 14:01:20 GMT -5
We had the entire AVoS plus 2 SE to setup a Shadowclan and Skyclan pov, I dont know why anyone would expect a Riverclan one out of nowhere. And protagonist parents almost dont appear in the series, the amount of times that Sandstorm got a scene in TNP was minimum, the same with Squirrelflight in AVoS. Firestar and Bramblestar only got more screen time because they were leaders. This is also true throwing the reader a Windclan or a Riverclan pov in TBC would acually be a narrative mess. We can say whatever we want but the Erin's spent 3 years building up so we can have a Shadowclan pov at the strat of TBC( and later a Skyclan one) and have it fit the narrative. People can complain about Dove and Tiger all they want (I dont really like either one that much at this point myself not after how Tiger behaved in TRS thougth still dont hate them as much as some people seem to)they likely won't have that much of a role at all epcascally Dovwing .Like other mc Shaowpaw will once in a while think about how much he loves his mother and that's it.
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Post by Kibui on Feb 20, 2019 15:12:02 GMT -5
If the POV isn't Shadowkit, I'll eat a sock. In the weird, unlikely event that this will happen I demand we get a video for that :-)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 15:39:49 GMT -5
We had the entire AVoS plus 2 SE to setup a Shadowclan and Skyclan pov, I dont know why anyone would expect a Riverclan one out of nowhere. And protagonist parents almost dont appear in the series, the amount of times that Sandstorm got a scene in TNP was minimum, the same with Squirrelflight in AVoS. Firestar and Bramblestar only got more screen time because they were leaders. And considering Ivypool's character revolves around Dovewing, fans will be happy to see more of her so I don't know why people are complaining. Seems like people forgot most parents aren't close to their kits after becoming an apprentince. We rarely see Alderheart with Bramblestar and Squirrelflight. If people are going to complain about minor things like their deputy sending Dovewing on patrol and they don't wanna see that, then they're overreacting at this point.
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Post by Jaysnow on Feb 20, 2019 16:11:43 GMT -5
If the POV isn't Shadowkit, I'll eat a sock. In the weird, unlikely event that this will happen I demand we get a video for that :-) your wish is my command
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Post by Moonblazer on Feb 20, 2019 19:00:32 GMT -5
We had the entire AVoS plus 2 SE to setup a Shadowclan and Skyclan pov, I dont know why anyone would expect a Riverclan one out of nowhere. And protagonist parents almost dont appear in the series, the amount of times that Sandstorm got a scene in TNP was minimum, the same with Squirrelflight in AVoS. Firestar and Bramblestar only got more screen time because they were leaders. And considering Ivypool's character revolves around Dovewing, fans will be happy to see more of her so I don't know why people are complaining. Seems like people forgot most parents aren't close to their kits after becoming an apprentince. We rarely see Alderheart with Bramblestar and Squirrelflight. If people are going to complain about minor things like their deputy sending Dovewing on patrol and they don't wanna see that, then they're overreacting at this point. If you think Ivypool’s character revolves around Dovewing, I think you’ve really mischaracterized her. It’s not overreacting when Dovewing has literally been nothing but aggrivating for years. It has nothing to do with Ivypool really. Dovewing’s a big mess all on her own and some of us don’t even want the tiniest chance of seeing her act like an idiot again. I’m more annoyed because Shadowclan has gotten so much spotlight that it’s practically negating the existance of Windclan and Riverclan. At the very least give me an SE for ANY Riverclan cat. I don’t want to read about the clan cats that literally treated Rowanstar like garbage and worship the ground Tigerstar walks on. I don’t want to read about clans that have had entire arcs for themselves. I don’t care if it’s a sudden change, for once in my life I want to read more and focus more on Riverclan, not get thrown right into Shadowclan run by an underserving leader and his aggrivating mate and their son who tried to drown himself and got a cat killed because voices told him to.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 20:10:48 GMT -5
And considering Ivypool's character revolves around Dovewing, fans will be happy to see more of her so I don't know why people are complaining. Seems like people forgot most parents aren't close to their kits after becoming an apprentince. We rarely see Alderheart with Bramblestar and Squirrelflight. If people are going to complain about minor things like their deputy sending Dovewing on patrol and they don't wanna see that, then they're overreacting at this point. If you think Ivypool’s character revolves around Dovewing, I think you’ve really mischaracterized her. It’s not overreacting when Dovewing has literally been nothing but aggrivating for years. It has nothing to do with Ivypool really. Dovewing’s a big mess all on her own and some of us don’t even want the tiniest chance of seeing her act like an idiot again. I’m more annoyed because Shadowclan has gotten so much spotlight that it’s practically negating the existance of Windclan and Riverclan. At the very least give me an SE for ANY Riverclan cat. I don’t want to read about the clan cats that literally treated Rowanstar like garbage and worship the ground Tigerstar walks on. I don’t want to read about clans that have had entire arcs for themselves. I don’t care if it’s a sudden change, for once in my life I want to read more and focus more on Riverclan, not get thrown right into Shadowclan run by an underserving leader and his aggrivating mate and their son who tried to drown himself and got a cat killed because voices told him to. Had a feeling someone would respond to this. And yes. Yes, Ivypool's character does revolve around Dovewing. Either you've forgotten OotS, or we haven't been reading the same books. For years Ivypool always finds a way to get mad at Dovewing. The moment we're introduced to these characters, Dove and Ivy are considered best friends. Even Firestar snapped at them for having to deal with being apart with each other. First time Ivypool develops, her personality revolves around her sister. She's mad that she's getting all the attention and gets manipulated from the DF because of it. She wants to be better than her and cats compare her to Dovewing which drives her into the DF even more. When she realized she was stupid she agreed to spy because she wanted to help Dovewing; it's said right in the book. Then she gets closer to her sister and now she's mad at her for crawling back to Tigerheart. She's mad at him because of Dovewing because she's worried about her safety and pissed that Tigerheart didn't protect her. And recently she made amends with her when she had kits. She even stopped Twigbranch from wanting to find her family because of Dove x Tiger. How does her character not revolve around her? It's only not revolving on her now because Dovewing left for ShadowClan and her story is over. Getting angry at Shadowpaw being mentioned when we don't even know if she'll be around us indeed overreacting. You are judging the book before it's even published. If y'all don't want her around that badly then find a way to complain to the authors to kill her off because she's going to be mentioned a few times since she's the parent of an important cat and TC is currently pissed at her. If you don't want to read about it then why bother continuing the books? Just drop the series and move on if you're this frustrated. No one is making you read more of Dove x Tiger but yourself.
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Post by Smokyyy on Feb 20, 2019 20:12:04 GMT -5
evil Shadowpaw EvIl ShaDOWpAw That would be predictable and boring. Honestly, if Shadowpaw is just a well developed character with a decent personality then I'll be happy with him. My only worry is that they're gonna treat him like they did with Alderheart, by giving him a good personality, only to abandon him. Hopefully the Erins have learned from that.. Why is it predictable? Besides having the prefix "Shadow" I'd think it be something new to have an evil medicine cat. Regardless of which clan he comes from. I'd be happy with him seeming like a good enough character but then gradually becoming more and more twisted over time. My fanfic, "The Manipulative Doctor" has Shadow as a villain and basically convinces the other medicine cats that Starclan has abandoned them, sort of a more intense Sol plot but more death, etc. It will be explained in my fanfic.....
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Post by Moonblazer on Feb 20, 2019 20:16:05 GMT -5
If you think Ivypool’s character revolves around Dovewing, I think you’ve really mischaracterized her. It’s not overreacting when Dovewing has literally been nothing but aggrivating for years. It has nothing to do with Ivypool really. Dovewing’s a big mess all on her own and some of us don’t even want the tiniest chance of seeing her act like an idiot again. I’m more annoyed because Shadowclan has gotten so much spotlight that it’s practically negating the existance of Windclan and Riverclan. At the very least give me an SE for ANY Riverclan cat. I don’t want to read about the clan cats that literally treated Rowanstar like garbage and worship the ground Tigerstar walks on. I don’t want to read about clans that have had entire arcs for themselves. I don’t care if it’s a sudden change, for once in my life I want to read more and focus more on Riverclan, not get thrown right into Shadowclan run by an underserving leader and his aggrivating mate and their son who tried to drown himself and got a cat killed because voices told him to. Had a feeling someone would respond to this. And yes. Yes, Ivypool's character does revolve around Dovewing. Either you've forgotten OotS, or we haven't been reading the same books. For years Ivypool always finds a way to get mad at Dovewing. The moment we're introduced to these characters, Dove and Ivy are considered best friends. Even Firestar snapped at them for having to deal with being apart with each other. First time Ivypool develops, her personality revolves around her sister. She's mad that she's getting all the attention and gets manipulated from the DF because of it. She wants to be better than her and cats compare her to Dovewing which drives her into the DF even more. When she realized she was stupid she agreed to spy because she wanted to help Dovewing; it's said right in the book. Then she gets closer to her sister and now she's mad at her for crawling back to Tigerheart. She's mad at him because of Dovewing because she's worried about her safety and pissed that Tigerheart didn't protect her. And recently she made amends with her when she had kits. She even stopped Twigbranch from wanting to find her family because of Dove x Tiger. How does her character not revolve around her? It's only not revolving on her now because Dovewing left for ShadowClan and her story is over. Getting angry at Shadowpaw being mentioned when we don't even know if she'll be around us indeed overreacting. You are judging the book before it's even published. If y'all don't want her around that badly then find a way to complain to the authors to kill her off because she's going to be mentioned a few times since she's the parent of an important cat and TC is currently pissed at her. If you don't want to read about it then why bother continuing the books? Just drop the series and move on if you're this frustrated. No one is making you read more of Dove x Tiger but yourself. You are aware the literal point of her getting over her envy was to show she didn’t revolve around Dovewing. Think what you want, but it seems you’re pretty guilty of overreacting too lol. I don’t want Shadowclan. Leave it at that. Sorry.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 20:19:47 GMT -5
Had a feeling someone would respond to this. And yes. Yes, Ivypool's character does revolve around Dovewing. Either you've forgotten OotS, or we haven't been reading the same books. For years Ivypool always finds a way to get mad at Dovewing. The moment we're introduced to these characters, Dove and Ivy are considered best friends. Even Firestar snapped at them for having to deal with being apart with each other. First time Ivypool develops, her personality revolves around her sister. She's mad that she's getting all the attention and gets manipulated from the DF because of it. She wants to be better than her and cats compare her to Dovewing which drives her into the DF even more. When she realized she was stupid she agreed to spy because she wanted to help Dovewing; it's said right in the book. Then she gets closer to her sister and now she's mad at her for crawling back to Tigerheart. She's mad at him because of Dovewing because she's worried about her safety and pissed that Tigerheart didn't protect her. And recently she made amends with her when she had kits. She even stopped Twigbranch from wanting to find her family because of Dove x Tiger. How does her character not revolve around her? It's only not revolving on her now because Dovewing left for ShadowClan and her story is over. Getting angry at Shadowpaw being mentioned when we don't even know if she'll be around us indeed overreacting. You are judging the book before it's even published. If y'all don't want her around that badly then find a way to complain to the authors to kill her off because she's going to be mentioned a few times since she's the parent of an important cat and TC is currently pissed at her. If you don't want to read about it then why bother continuing the books? Just drop the series and move on if you're this frustrated. No one is making you read more of Dove x Tiger but yourself. You are aware the literal point of her getting over her envy was to show she didn’t revolve around Dovewing. Think what you want, but it seems you’re pretty guilty of overreacting too lol. I don’t want Shadowclan. Leave it at that. Sorry. I wasn't overreacting, but making a point. I don't see how in my post I was overreacting. I'm not going to just "leave it at that" when you're getting mad at me over nothing.
edit: to anyone reading this, we just discussed in PM and everything is fine, please don't get involved and quote us, bringing it up again. Thanks.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 20, 2019 20:20:46 GMT -5
That would be predictable and boring. Honestly, if Shadowpaw is just a well developed character with a decent personality then I'll be happy with him. My only worry is that they're gonna treat him like they did with Alderheart, by giving him a good personality, only to abandon him. Hopefully the Erins have learned from that.. Why is it predictable? Besides having the prefix "Shadow" I'd think it be something new to have an evil medicine cat. Regardless of which clan he comes from. I'd be happy with him seeming like a good enough character but then gradually becoming more and more twisted over time. My fanfic, "The Manipulative Doctor" has Shadow as a villain and basically convinces the other medicine cats that Starclan has abandoned them, sort of a more intense Sol plot but more death, etc. It will be explained in my fanfic..... I think Gray means exactly that. Given this series, a cat with the name Shadow- just screams "villain." That would be way too predictable. Not to mention if Shadowkit did become evil, then he'd be yet another evil tabby who's directly related to the first Tigerstar and is also a ShadowClan cat. Literally the only thing that would be different is that he'd be an evil medicine cat, which still hasn't been done before. I'd love an evil medicine cat, but not if it's a ShadowClan cat or a descendent of Tigerstar. Especially the former, since ShadowClan is always the "evil" Clan. If they're going to have a evil medicine cat in this series, at least let it be from RiverClan or WindClan. Even ThunderClan sounds like a good idea, since they're usually the good Clan and it'd be nice if the main antagonist came from them again.
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Post by Moonblazer on Feb 20, 2019 20:21:55 GMT -5
Forget Dove or Tiger and all that crap. I just want a Riverclan POV, that’s all. I’m going to read TBC for Riverclan and Thunderclan and hope for at least some good moments with them.
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Post by Moonblazer on Feb 20, 2019 20:22:58 GMT -5
You are aware the literal point of her getting over her envy was to show she didn’t revolve around Dovewing. Think what you want, but it seems you’re pretty guilty of overreacting too lol. I don’t want Shadowclan. Leave it at that. Sorry. I wasn't overreacting, but making a point. I don't see how in my post I was overreacting. I'm not going to just "leave it at that" when you're getting mad at me over nothing. I’m not getting mad at all. I merely stated my opinion lol
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Post by kinkajou on Feb 20, 2019 20:23:17 GMT -5
Tbh....I don't want to see any more of Dovewing or Ivypool. Even though I love Ivypool
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 20:25:00 GMT -5
I wasn't overreacting, but making a point. I don't see how in my post I was overreacting. I'm not going to just "leave it at that" when you're getting mad at me over nothing. I’m not getting mad at all. I merely stated my opinion lol I'm going to PM you
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Post by Moonblazer on Feb 20, 2019 20:25:33 GMT -5
Tbh....I don't want to see any more of Dovewing or Ivypool. Even though I love Ivypool Same kinda. I do want leader Ivypool though. Fingers crossed for that lol.
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Post by Moonblazer on Feb 20, 2019 20:26:00 GMT -5
I’m not getting mad at all. I merely stated my opinion lol I'm going to PM you If that’s what you want to do, go for it
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Post by なんで私 on Feb 20, 2019 20:26:53 GMT -5
Honestly, I hope this series does what Wings of Fire does, a new POV for every book, in a new setting with a different character.
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Post by Viperstrike on Feb 20, 2019 20:29:42 GMT -5
I love Shadowkit, so I'm down for this as long as he isn't the villain or another misunderstood anti hero like Needletail and Clear Sky. I've had enough of that character archetype to last me a lifetime 🙄
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 21:06:47 GMT -5
Tbh....I don't want to see any more of Dovewing or Ivypool. Even though I love Ivypool I'm honestly really sick of both of them. At this point I hope we get an entire new generation of cats, like maybe years after and hopefully they've both passed because bringing them both back was a bad mistake. The Erins should've just made Dovewing stay away from Tigerheart and let Ivypool and Dovewing be happy together as sisters. It became so freaking toxic and unpleasant to read about them. Dovewing's arc should have ended in Dovewing's Silence with her great development. We didn't need the stupid IvyDoveTiger drama crap to return.
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Post by Brindlefern on Feb 20, 2019 21:12:48 GMT -5
Tbh....I don't want to see any more of Dovewing or Ivypool. Even though I love Ivypool I'm honestly really sick of both of them. At this point I hope we get an entire new generation of cats, like maybe years after and hopefully they've both passed because bringing them both back was a bad mistake. The Erins should've just made Dovewing stay away from Tigerheart and let Ivypool and Dovewing be happy together as sisters. It became so freaking toxic and unpleasant to read about them. Dovewing's arc should have ended in Dovewing's Silence with her great development. We didn't need the stupid IvyDoveTiger drama crap to return. I agree that Dove and Tiger should've stayed away. But the editors obviously didn't want that so them getting back together for the drama and shit was inevitable, and the Erins have to listen to their editors so... *shrugs*
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Post by gonxkillua on Feb 20, 2019 21:15:12 GMT -5
Kate also said they dont write much for Riverclan to make sure the editors I mean they won't mess it up as thier her favorite. So there is also that,we did a writer dosent want to write for her fav. Also it's not like Shadowclan is going to.be the sole POV clan. Katie seems more excited for this arc then she after did about Avos based on the blog clan post Jay showed me and when an author is genuinely excited I take it as a good sign.
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