|
Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2019 11:33:52 GMT -5
I've noticed that lately when people post, even if it's an AU or something as simple as a name, fans always find a way to debate with you. I understand that this section is made for debating, but sometimes people just want to simply post. And for this thread, there is no debating allowed. You are free to express your opinion without expecting one. Keep in mind, there's nothing wrong with debating, but it can get frustrating if someone does about every little thing on here. So this is debate-free. Say how much you hate or love a character. Do whatever you want!
I hate Ivypool. I don't think she's a good sister or is mature enough to be deputy.
I hate Dovewing for nearly destroying ShadowClan because of her selfishness.
Silver x Gray is poorly written I think Millie x Gray is better.
Millie is not a bad parent.
Breezepelt had it off easily and was barely punished.
Bluestar did not try to take Whitekit away.
Graystripe and Dovewing's situations are no different.
Is it obvious that I'm testing y'all?
|
|
|
Post by Moonblazer on Feb 9, 2019 11:50:48 GMT -5
I think Ivypool is a fantastic character who deserves to be deputy or leader and has for a long time.
Berrynose should be considered for deputyship and honestly would be such a unique and interesting leader if he ever got the chance. Thunderclan needs that kind of uniqueness.
Hollyleaf is not that great. She’s honestly rather annoying. Her brothers are too.
Leafpool is a great character and does not deserve the hate she gets. Nightcloud too.
Crowfeather neglected his son and nothing exuses it. Him being emotionally stunted does not give him a right to treat his son as if he’s not worth seeing. He was a bad father, period, and while he is better now, he still doesn’t deserve deputyship. I’m so happy Onestar called him out on his bullcrap.
Onestar is one of the most interesting and complex characters in my opinion. I love the fall from grace and his backwards development. It shows how a kind and friendly cat can become fearful, foolish and desperate to prove themselves. Unlike Needletail, I feel his death did get the point across that he regretted what he had done and he was going to destroy what he had created.
Rowanstar deserved so much better and was Shadowclan’s most honorable leader. He is much better than Blackstar and is not to blame for his clan’s fall. Tigerheart’s SE should have been Rowanstar’s, and how he got his clan under control.
Dovewing and Tigerheart are the most annoying cats and pairing in this series. They were both ruined for their ugly romance. Tigerheart does not deserve leadership in the slightest.
Graystripe is not a bad father. Period.
Daisy, Ferncloud and other full time queens are amazing and deserve respect.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2019 12:16:43 GMT -5
I really want the series to end. Not cause I didn't like AVOS, it's ok overall, but it deserves to end on a good, peaceful note. Maybe have them revert to their old ways in the beginning of DOTC and like, just chill.
Like have all the OGs show up to each clan and convince them to give up a lot of their hostile traditions- especially Shadowstar.
That would be just awesome.
|
|
|
Post by scint on Feb 9, 2019 12:23:20 GMT -5
Ivypool is a disgusting character and doesn't deserve leadership.
Dovewing is an awesome character with realistic flaws.
Tigerheart/star is a good character and leader.
Rowanstar deserved better.
Berrystar should happen.
Twigstar should happen.
Violetstar should happen.
Twigbranch was in the right during the whole Flypaw situation.
Flypaw is annoying.
Onestar sucks.
Thistleclaw is still an asshole.
Silverstream x Graystripe is a horrible couple.
Millie was a good parent.
Blossomfall and Bumblestripe are whiny brats.
Both Nightcloud and Breezepelt's actions in the whole family drama were excused like they had no part in it either. Nightcloud encouraged Breezepelt to hate Crowfeather and Breezepelt murdered and only got cats talking shit about him.
Leafpool is overrated and sucks. A lot.
Swiftpaw is an immature idiot who got himself killed and Brightheart scarred for life. He was not a martyr for his beliefs.
Icecloud should've become leader of ThunderClan with Hazeltail as her deputy.
Hazeltail x Foxleap should've become canon.
Rosepetal x Foxleap is shit.
Ivypool x Foxleap is also shit.
Blossomfall x Foxleap is also shit.
Hazeltail x Thornclaw never should've existed.
Hazeltail x Brambleclaw/star never should've existed.
Hazeltail x Birchfall is dumb.
Hazeltail x Hollyleaf is also dumb.
Hazeltail x Jayfeather is also dumb.
Hazeltail x Lionblaze is okay but still dumb.
Hazeltail x Anyone is dumb.
Mousewhisker x Minnowtail is a stupid ship and I'm glad nothing was ever done with it.
Honeyfern x Berrynose is a dumb ship and BerryxPoppy is better.
The series should be rebooted as in rewritten.
The series doesn't need to end.
Jagged Peak, Thunder, Holly, and Violet Dawn are all cool characters.
Rainswept Flower's only purpose was to make Jagged Peak feel better. That's it.
Jagged Peak x Rainswept Flower is a very, very, very dumb and overrated ship.
Jagged Peak x Holly is a good ship.
Although it could've been done better, Thunderstar x Violet Dawn is a cute ship.
Leafstar is a horrible leader.
Tigerheart x Dovewing is an okay ship.
Tigerheart is a good leader.
Shadowkit's overrated.
Gray Wing I'm neutral on but he was a complete jerk to Jagged Peak at times and his behavior towards him was questionable.
Lionblaze x Icecloud should've happened over Lionblaze x Cinderheart.
Hawkwing is stupid and overrated.
Thistleclaw x Snowfur is an overrated and dumb ship.
Lizardstripe was worse than Rainflower.
Rainflower shouldn't be sent to StarClan or the Dark Forest; she should be sent to the void Needletail was in or some middle ground for dead Clan cats.
There should be a middle ground for dead Clan cats to go when they aren't good, but aren't evil. Like with Rainflower.
Sparkpelt is an idiot.
Bumblestripe x Rosepetal needs to happen.
All of the DF trainees are filler. Including Ivypool, Mousewhisker, Thornclaw, Minnowtail, etc...
Foxleap x Dovewing is okay, but Hazeltail x Foxleap x Dovewing is supreme.
I have no problem with forbidden romances, but it's annoying when done too much or done badly. Such as Bluestar x Oakheart, Graystripe x Silverstream, Lionblaze x Heathertail, Jayfeather x Half Moon (well, sorta), etc.
Crack ships are okay, but only when executed well. Preferably with background characters is when I can stand them, such as Mousewhisker x Ivytail (ShC), Beetlewhisker x Applefur, and Mousewhisker x Honeyfern.
Honestly I think Honeyfern x Toadstep would've been cuter than Honeyfern x Berrynose ever was.
I might add more.
|
|
|
Post by Sea Drops by a Bird on Feb 9, 2019 13:15:47 GMT -5
Just curious because I haven't read past OOTS- are people talking about Ivypool being deputy/leader because it's cannon?
I think Blackstar was a great leader because he provided variety in the forest and was a counter balance to Firestar, though I'm a little bored of the ShadowClan as villains type casting.
I was never really a fan of Mistystar as leader/deputy. No reason it just didn't click for me- perhaps it was because leopardstar made her deputy after watching her brother and former deputy killed at the instruction of Tigerstar.
I don't like the way they handled Ashfur being in StarClan- let him in if you want but don't downplay his crimes to advance your own agenda.
I'm a sucker for a forbidden romance and I love most of them with the exception of Dovewing and Tigerheart. It always was a "but why tho?" for me and honestly Ivypool and Tigerheart would have made more sense given they were both training together in the Dark Forest and spying on them.
Spottedleaf shouldn't have died so that Firestar wouldn't have to choose who to be with- there shouldn't have still been a choice to make after four series.
The three's powers were a mess and very poorly defined and handled.
I never disliked Spottedleaf but she could have played more of a background role.
Cinderheart/Cinderpelt was dumb.
I always felt like Brambleclaw shouldn't have accepted the deputy role because Firestar never truly trusted him, and as a result he doesn't seem to fit as leader either.
Onestar isn't a bad character; he was just trying to prove that he was a capable leader and wasn't Firestar's pet so he had to harshly reject both Firestar and ThunderClan. He was no longer a warrior but a clan leader. And the way he became leader was so unorthodox and tumultuous that anything less wouldn't have garnished the same respect.
I think that Spottedleaf and Firestar could have had an awesome bond if they didn't mess it up with love. Outside of that she was supportive and kind, his sort of spirit guide.
Twigbranch is a dumb name.
I didn't like how they handled the dark forest battle because of the cats who don't believe in StarClan. It forced them to believe and removed the really interesting dynamic of having cats who don't believe in the Starclan. StarClan is supposed to be heard but not seen but they made them basically alive again by the end of OOTS.
Firestar's death scene was trash. I'm not really sure how it could be better- having him killed by Tigerstar definitely isn't the way- but it needs to be better. Love him or hate him he's the OG who started this series and is the only reason we're heading into the 7th arc.
|
|
|
Post by Brindlefern on Feb 9, 2019 13:43:39 GMT -5
Just curious because I haven't read past OOTS- are people talking about Ivypool being deputy/leader because it's cannon? It's not canon at all nor is it close to.
|
|
|
Post by scint on Feb 9, 2019 13:43:44 GMT -5
Just curious because I haven't read past OOTS- are people talking about Ivypool being deputy/leader because it's cannon? No but I feel like it's because people are anxious for Brambleclaw/star to kick the bucket already along with Squirrelflight. But mainly Brambleclaw/star because he does practically nothing now and has no character any more and most of us want change. ( Ivypool better not become deputy/leader in TBC, though.)
|
|
Transgender
Hollydawn
Pronouns: they/them, he/him
|
Post by Hollydawn on Feb 9, 2019 13:54:34 GMT -5
Just in case something in my rants spoils someone, it's under a readmore. I really only talk about stuff through book four of AVOS. I actually liked Tigerheart and Dovewing as a couple for the first couple of books where it was a thing, but it really quickly just turned into something that I couldn't bring myself to care about anymore I wish SkyClan would have been left alone. Their unique culture at the gorge was interesting, and after having SkyClan's Destiny as an entire book about how Leafstar didn't need to try and make her clan into something like the other ones, I dislike them being shoved into the lake territories just for the sake of adding more drama. There just wasn't a compelling reason for them to stay at the lake, which was already crowded, after the gorge was made safe again. Also, Sharpclaw being killed off was dumb. And Echosong. They weren't around for enough books for me to feel as okay with them dying as other characters of around the same age. IDK what the general consensus around any of that is because I only just got into AVOS (I'm on book five right now, and I started like a few days ago). Making Hollyleaf not be one of the three because they couldn't think of a power was stupid. She deserved better than that. I love Breezepelt with my entire heart and I have no idea why. He did everything wrong, but he's also my boy. There should be more gay characters. Personal preference. I wish Foxleap was still alive Every Hollyleaf ship is a good ship. I still really like Gray/Silver, but I wish Graystripe could have realized what he was putting Fireheart through and been more mature about the whole ordeal. The way StarClan has changed over the course of the series is ehhhhh. It used to be more compelling to me? Why do they know so much about the future if literally nothing changes about them after death? Why do they have to be so cryptic all the time instead of just giving straightforward warnings? Why are there suddenly so many more prophecies? I'm also not a fan of double death as a concept, but that just comes down to personal preference.
|
|
|
Post by kinkajou on Feb 9, 2019 14:09:49 GMT -5
Just in case something in my rants spoils someone, it's under a readmore. I really only talk about stuff through book four of AVOS. I wish SkyClan would have been left alone. Their unique culture at the gorge was interesting, and after having SkyClan's Destiny as an entire book about how Leafstar didn't need to try and make her clan into something like the other ones, I dislike them being shoved into the lake territories just for the sake of adding more drama. There just wasn't a compelling reason for them to stay at the lake, which was already crowded, after the gorge was made safe again. Also, Sharpclaw being killed off was dumb. And Echosong. They weren't around for enough books for me to feel as okay with them dying as other characters of around the same age. IDK what the general consensus around any of that is because I only just got into AVOS (I'm on book five right now, and I started like a few days ago).
Y E S Gorge SkyClan is my favorite Clan but Lake SkyClan is just...ThunderClan (Does agreeing count as debate)
|
|
Transgender
Hollydawn
Pronouns: they/them, he/him
|
Post by Hollydawn on Feb 9, 2019 14:18:53 GMT -5
That is such a good way to put it lololol. (I think it's fine? But idk haha)
|
|
Bisexual
#ffc5c5
Official Queen of Fan Clans
Name Colour
ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁
Official ThunderClan & ElmClan Leader
Easing back in
|
Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Feb 9, 2019 20:45:41 GMT -5
Crowfeather's Trial was made just to please Breezepelt and Nightcloud lovers and Crowfeather haters, especially with how Crowfeather got called for little to no reason by a massive hypocrite.
|
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2019 21:33:18 GMT -5
Crowfeather's Trial was made just to please Breezepelt and Nightcloud lovers and Crowfeather haters, especially with how Crowfeather got called for little to no reason by a massive hypocrite. Ah, someone agrees with me about this, thank you. I felt the book was the most biased one to exist.
|
|
|
Post by Haze on Feb 9, 2019 21:52:28 GMT -5
Bluestar never deserved her leadership, she never did anything noteworthy in her own book and only got it because she was Sunstar apprentice once. Serious, the only thing she did in her book was mourn over cats dying, judging others with her biased opinions, being a hypocrite, mating with the hot Riverclan cat and hearing Goosefeather prophecies.
Darktail is best villain this series ever had, managed to destroy an entire clan(Shadowclan) and heavily damage another two(Riverclan and Skyclan), was smart, the disappearing cats gave a fear factor and the drownings were terrifying and he even had some charisma.
Jayfeather managed to get all the disgusting bad genes from Crowfeather, incredible. And he is not even that good at being a medicine cat either, when Leafpool stepped down from her position he got super lost, Kestrelflight was alone way longer and doing fine.
Hollyleaf just ran away and was too ashamed to return after throwing shit on the fan, it was not self-exile.
Despite Rowanclaw being an horrible leader he didn't deserved to be killed like that or being talked down by cats like Blackstar that done worse things before or Needletail that was one of the forces that caused Shadowclan to fall in first place.
|
|
|
Post by Viperstrike on Feb 9, 2019 22:08:04 GMT -5
I actually like Spottedleaf's Heart and I don't think it's as bad as everyone makes it out to be.
Ashfur is a boring villain. I never understood why so many people thought he was one of the best villains when he barely did anything besides be an incel. The fire scene is the only iconic thing he managed to do, even then he backed down.
Silverstream is the better mate for Graystripe. Millie should have stayed in the Twolegs place.
Hollyleaf should have lived over Ivypool.
The warrior code is stupid and needs reform. If they're enemies, why do they care if one another go extinct? And if they care about one another, why be enemies? Why not do away with borders completely and be friends like in DOTC?
Lionblaze x Heathertail is a better ship than Lion x Cinder
I like Twigbranch. I think people are too harsh on her
I don't like Violetshine. She's a watered down Needletail.
Needletail belongs in the Dark Forest.
|
|
#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
|
Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 9, 2019 23:14:40 GMT -5
I find most of the villains and romances in this series to be pretty boring, tbh.
The series should've just ended with TLH, at least in terms of the modern era.
I seem to recall some fans being worried that Crowfeather was going to be victimized in CT before it came out, but I felt like both the title and blurb should've been a dead giveaway that it was going to be the exact opposite. Meanwhile, I was worried that it would downplay over Breezepelt's actions and/or make WindClan either cruel or stupid, I hate that I was right about it.
Despite my love for AVoS, it had terrible consistency and I wish it had been handled better. I also feel like DotC could've had a better second half, at least for the last two books. And better romance.
Ivypool is overrated. This doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing, but I never did get the big deal about her. Then again, I never did care for many of the OotS characters, anyway.
And speaking of characters, there's so many cats and stories, but also so much potential that has been lost. I feel like Dovewing is a big one.
|
|
|
Post by sylveon on Feb 10, 2019 0:04:57 GMT -5
I personally don't have many strong negative opinions about cats, besides maybe a handful of characters. Mostly I'm just neutral on them.
That being said, Clear Sky was one of the most annoying cats in the books. He made a good villain and his writing/redemption was pretty good, but as a character i could just not stand him. He was paranoid, abusive and shallow. His reasoning of starting the Firsf battle was crap, he wasn't scared he was greedy.
DOTC is the best arc, but the last couple of books felt rushed and fell short compared to the rest. The romance could have been better and fleshed out more and Slash fell very short as a villain.
Also, Star Flower's kits make no sense. She was pregnant very fast and gave birth extremely early. Those kits are dead, sorry.
As much as I adore SkyClan and I'm happy they're in the main narrative, I kind of wish they returned to the gorge. Like Leafstar says, SkyClan thinks differently than the Lake Clans, and personally I think they're way more progressive than the og Clans. In this timeline, twigbranch should have stayed in thunderclan until SkyClan leaves and she leaves with them.
Tree x Violetshine was super cute to me, and I like their natural draw to eachother. Violetshine's anxiety about him constantly felt real to me.
Leafstar is best leader, I'll be sad when she goes. Hawkwing will be a decent leader, and I hope he makes Bellaleaf or Plumwillow his deputy.
As cute as platonic hawk x plum was, i think they would have made a better couple than hawk x pebble or plum x sandy. Their bond was super cute.
Pebbleshine should have made it to the lake and died while kitting, before any cat knew she was SkyClan.
The Guardian Cats were really interesting to me, and I kind of wish Dovewing stayed with them. She seemed more at home and relaxed there than in the Clans. I would love to read more about the guardian cats.
Dovewing x Tigerheart was really cute in OOTS. I personally enjoyed their relationship a lot, but I wish they weren't constantly breaking up and getting together again. In AVOS their relationship felt a little more forced for dramas sake.
Tigerheartstar didn't deserve to be leader, but he isn't that bad. He was a huge, unreasonable jerk in the last book but it felt realistic for a leader desperate to prove he is strong as well as his clan.
Flypaw was suuuuper cute to me.
Hazeltail, Icecloud, Foxleap and Toadstep should have stayed alive, or at least given onscreen deaths.
Foxleap x Ivypool was cute to me, but Ivy x lark is slowly creeping into my heart.
More cats should have died in RoF. Squirrelflight, Whitewing and some of the other sick cats should have died as well as Briarlight.
Needletail is a wishy washy cat to me. I enjoyed her writing as a character, but she irritated me quite a bit. She was only okay in the last half of Shattered Sky.
StarClan is very annoying now. They've lost their mysterious tone they had in the OG series and even a bit in TNP
Goosefeather's curse was very interesting and I wish it was longer. The great hunger was absolutely horrifying to read.
The warrior code is good in theory but the Clans seem to have lost sense of what it really means.
Unless killed (like Spottedleaf) StarClan cats shouldn't fade. It's cruel to cats who will always be remembered like the OG leadsrs. Instead, after a couple of generations, they should be able to 'ascend' into another level of StarClan where they are more at peace and not as involved in the Clans' lives. Long Shadows' prologue where Wind, River, Thunder and Shadow come together and ask why they were brought back made me think of the idea. The Ancients from the lake also seem to support this idea.
In contrast, Dark forest cats should suffer fading as a punishment and to stop an uprising like in OOTS.
|
|
|
Post by embertuft on Feb 10, 2019 4:02:48 GMT -5
Yaas I love this thread
I HATE Ivypool. Not like A LITTLE BIT. A LOT. (So much I want to throw her off the face of the earth)
IF IVYPOOL BECOMES LEADER I WILL.. - throw the book out the window - burn the book - cry - jump out the window with the book - bury the book in the back garden - cry some more - draw Brackenfur - hail Brackenfur - wonder why he wasn’t made leader - cry because Brackenfur wasn’t made leader - scribble out all the places where it says Ivystar - then cry even more - drown from crying so much
I like Tinycloud’s kits and wish they’d have a bit more limelight. Especially Sunnypaw because she could be a good character.
The saddest death to me was not Hollyleaf. It was probably Seedpaw in Bramblestar’s Storm.
I liked Lionpaw in the early days of PoT. Then he turned to Tigerstar and I didn’t really like him.
Jaypaw in PoT I didn’t really have an opinion of. I don’t really care for him either ways.
I didn’t like Hollypaw or Hollyleaf. I only liked Hollyleaf when she got stuck in the tunnels. I would’ve liked Hollyleaf had she not been going on about the stupid code and being a goody two shoes.
Snowbird is best underrated character ever. She said the warrior code was important to Redwillow, and she’s kept up with having so many litters.
Scorchfur isn’t that bad. I mean yeah he’s done bad things, but I was fine when they wanted to let Yarrowleaf back into the Clan. I mean Yarrowleaf is bae.
The most confusing thing in the series is all this Darktail nonesense. Course, he’s a good villain and all that but I got kinda crept out of how ShadowClan and RiverClan and WindClan were getting drowned in the lake meanwhile the other end of the lake ThunderClan are all peaceful.
Also SkyClan’s ancestors need to merge with StarClan. As do Tribe of Rushing Water and The Ancients. It still irritates me to this day that Feathertail crosses in both.
Icecloud should have lived for Ice x Lion. Instead we can have Mouse x Cinderheart (yes I do ship it)
|
|
|
Post by scint on Feb 10, 2019 4:05:46 GMT -5
Yaas I love this thread I HATE Ivypool. Not like A LITTLE BIT. A LOT. (So much I want to throw her off the face of the earth) IF IVYPOOL BECOMES LEADER I WILL.. - throw the book out the window - burn the book - cry - jump out the window with the book - bury the book in the back garden - cry some more - draw Brackenfur - hail Brackenfur - wonder why he wasn’t made leader - cry because Brackenfur wasn’t made leader - scribble out all the places where it says Ivystar - then cry even more - drown from crying so much I agree so much. Secretly hoping for Ivyfool to die in Squirrelflight's Hope or in Lost Stars
|
|
|
Post by embertuft on Feb 10, 2019 4:12:02 GMT -5
Yaas I love this thread I HATE Ivypool. Not like A LITTLE BIT. A LOT. (So much I want to throw her off the face of the earth) IF IVYPOOL BECOMES LEADER I WILL.. - throw the book out the window - burn the book - cry - jump out the window with the book - bury the book in the back garden - cry some more - draw Brackenfur - hail Brackenfur - wonder why he wasn’t made leader - cry because Brackenfur wasn’t made leader - scribble out all the places where it says Ivystar - then cry even more - drown from crying so much I agree so much. Secretly hoping for Ivyfool to die in Squirrelflight's Hope or in Lost StarsOh please I was looking at threads at who people wanted to become leader and most said Ivypool. But why? She’s been in the dark forest/ and I still don’t think she can be forgivenThe thing is with the petty arguments she had with Dovewing, that could also be her as leader and having petty arguments with everyone.
|
|
|
Post by scint on Feb 10, 2019 4:17:42 GMT -5
I agree so much. Secretly hoping for Ivyfool to die in Squirrelflight's Hope or in Lost StarsOh please I was looking at threads at who people wanted to become leader and most said Ivypool. But why? She’s been in the dark forest/ and I still don’t think she can be forgivenThe thing is with the petty arguments she had with Dovewing, that could also be her as leader and having petty arguments with everyone. I think she'd be like Leopardstar but worse
|
|
|
Post by embertuft on Feb 10, 2019 4:22:00 GMT -5
Oh please I was looking at threads at who people wanted to become leader and most said Ivypool. But why? She’s been in the dark forest/ and I still don’t think she can be forgivenThe thing is with the petty arguments she had with Dovewing, that could also be her as leader and having petty arguments with everyone. I think she'd be like Leopardstar but worsePlease don’t compare Leopardstar to such an abomination even tho I don’t like Leopardstar she doesn’t deserve to be compared to IVYPOOL
|
|
|
Post by scint on Feb 10, 2019 4:25:31 GMT -5
I think she'd be like Leopardstar but worsePlease don’t compare Leopardstar to such an abomination even tho I don’t like Leopardstar she doesn’t deserve to be compared to IVYPOOLTrue, Leopardstar deserves much better than to be compared to Ivyfool. The only way I will accept Ivystar is if she dies in the same exact book because I'm petty.
|
|
Bisexual
#ffc5c5
Official Queen of Fan Clans
Name Colour
ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁
Official ThunderClan & ElmClan Leader
Easing back in
|
Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Feb 10, 2019 5:30:21 GMT -5
Ivypool hate is just as bad, if not worse than Dovewing. Especially when she acted more mature overall compared to get sister and was far more realistic and relatable. She does care for her family and hasn't shown to not care like her sister. Dovewing lied to her family and her mate and did the stupidest things that should have gotten her killed. She's only still relevant because of author bias and should never have had kits. At least Ivypool is a loving mate and mother with a brain.
|
|
Bisexual
#64C7FF
Name Colour
finland
Porgs are love
|
Post by finland on Feb 10, 2019 9:06:46 GMT -5
Debate= civil discourse debate ≠ flame wars or an argument
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 10:03:04 GMT -5
Did no one read my description? Is it really so hard to avoid a debate, guys? Let's just all be respectful on here for once like adults. It's really that simple. Ignore each other if you have a problem with someone's opinion, immature or not, it's easy. No need to be rude to someone.
|
|
|
Post by embertuft on Feb 10, 2019 10:38:29 GMT -5
Did no one read my description? Is it really so hard to avoid a debate, guys? Let's just all be respectful on here for once like adults. It's really that simple. Ignore each other if you have a problem with someone's opinion, immature or not, it's easy. No need to be rude to someone. My apologies for that ^^
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 10:44:27 GMT -5
Did no one read my description? Is it really so hard to avoid a debate, guys? Let's just all be respectful on here for once like adults. It's really that simple. Ignore each other if you have a problem with someone's opinion, immature or not, it's easy. No need to be rude to someone. My apologies for that ^^ You're fine!
|
|
|
Post by embertuft on Feb 10, 2019 11:04:47 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by embertuft on Feb 10, 2019 11:07:50 GMT -5
Icecloud should've become leader of ThunderClan with Hazeltail as her deputy. This.
|
|