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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 17:00:32 GMT -5
Let's move away from the more technical chooses for Starclan/Dark Forest debates and let's look to the more obscure/less read arcs of the Warriors series. Which characters from either A Vision of Shadows or Dawn of the Clans do you think should go to the Dark Forest?
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Post by kinkajou on Dec 27, 2018 17:54:09 GMT -5
Y'all already know what I'm going to say. Needletail
Juiperclaw too. Every cat that willingly joined The Kin
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Post by Moonblazer on Dec 27, 2018 18:24:19 GMT -5
I’d say Needletail. What a piece of garbage.
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Post by Rio on Dec 27, 2018 19:28:03 GMT -5
I will protect Needletail with my life she is my trash baby
I dunno about being worthy of the Dark forest but Clear Sky was kind of a big trash bag. He murdered his childhood friend and had like 0 repercussions.
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Post by Pyropelt on Dec 27, 2018 19:32:08 GMT -5
Sleekwhisker, Juniperclaw
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Post by *Faith* on Dec 27, 2018 20:03:36 GMT -5
Sleekwhisker! I know she's still alive, but I really do hope she goes to the DF when she dies. Or she can go "poof" like Scourge did since she doesn't believe in StarClan.
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Dec 27, 2018 21:23:16 GMT -5
Clear Sky belongs in the Dark Forest. Seriously. He's so annoying.
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Post by scint on Dec 27, 2018 22:20:00 GMT -5
Juniperclaw for sure. Maybe Needletail, but I don't think she deserves StarClan or the DF. I would add Sleekwhisker on here too, but she doesn't believe in StarClan so I'll just say I hope she goes poof and we never see her again.
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Post by Darkfang ☾ on Dec 28, 2018 12:04:25 GMT -5
clear sky
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Post by embertuft on Dec 28, 2018 16:20:02 GMT -5
Every cat that joined the kin (Apart from Yarrowleaf-she’s my baby and has proved her loyalty)
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Post by scint on Dec 28, 2018 16:39:10 GMT -5
I also say all cats that willingly joined the Kin, but Yarrowleaf, Strikestone, Cloverfoot, and Snowbird (just in case) are excluded from that list because Yarrowleaf proved her loyalty, Strikestone is the only DawnxCrow kit that hasn't gone EEEVVVILLLLL yet (I'm joking but it's kinda true), I have a feeling Cloverfoot will actually prove her loyalty to ShadowClan unlike Juniperclaw, and Snowbird because she was pregnant at the time and actually tries to be loyal now unlike some cats in ShadowClan... *coughcoughJuniperclawcoughcough*
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Post by mymerlincat on Dec 28, 2018 18:21:24 GMT -5
tIgERsTaR 2.0
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2018 10:40:25 GMT -5
Just a quick reminder to to people who said "Everyone who joined the Kin willingly" - So do you mean basically all of Shadowclan? Including, ones who made the choice when they were only apprentices and the kin hadn't proven to be evil yet.
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Post by 86 on Dec 29, 2018 11:08:51 GMT -5
Needletail sacrificed herself to save Violetpaw, yet you’re saying she deserves to go to the dark forest?
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Post by kinkajou on Dec 29, 2018 12:16:03 GMT -5
Just a quick reminder to to people who said "Everyone who joined the Kin willingly" - So do you mean basically all of Shadowclan? Including, ones who made the choice when they were only apprentices and the kin hadn't proven to be evil yet. Yeah
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2018 13:21:22 GMT -5
Just a quick reminder to to people who said "Everyone who joined the Kin willingly" - So do you mean basically all of Shadowclan? Including, ones who made the choice when they were only apprentices and the kin hadn't proven to be evil yet. Yeah Isn't that a bit much? Not everyone went to the Dark forest who lived under Tigerstar's or Brokenstar's leaderships.
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Post by wolfcry32 on Dec 29, 2018 15:21:21 GMT -5
Definitely not Needtail.
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Post by kinkajou on Dec 29, 2018 15:50:18 GMT -5
Isn't that a bit much? Not everyone went to the Dark forest who lived under Tigerstar's or Brokenstar's leaderships. They didn't choose to be under Tiger or Broken's rule and didn't abandon their Clan
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2018 15:53:54 GMT -5
Isn't that a bit much? Not everyone went to the Dark forest who lived under Tigerstar's or Brokenstar's leaderships. They didn't choose to be under Tiger or Broken's rule and didn't abandon their Clan Abandoning your Clan shouldn't be Dark Forest worthy. It's not a life style for everyone, like what Ravenpaw did.
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Post by wolfcry32 on Dec 29, 2018 16:03:55 GMT -5
Isn't that a bit much? Not everyone went to the Dark forest who lived under Tigerstar's or Brokenstar's leaderships. They didn't choose to be under Tiger or Broken's rule and didn't abandon their Clan So should Leafpool, Crowfeather, Hollyleaf, and Dovewing all go to the Dark Forest for abandoning their Clans as well? For arguably more selfish reasons at that? Or does it not matter because they eventually went back? Or are we just talking about the ones who died while still with the Kin?
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Post by kinkajou on Dec 29, 2018 16:16:23 GMT -5
They didn't choose to be under Tiger or Broken's rule and didn't abandon their Clan Abandoning your Clan shouldn't be Dark Forest worthy. It's not a life style for everyone, like what Ravenpaw did. Ravenpaw just left and stayed friendly with ThunderClan. He didn't go directly against them
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2018 16:27:46 GMT -5
Abandoning your Clan shouldn't be Dark Forest worthy. It's not a life style for everyone, like what Ravenpaw did. Ravenpaw just left and stayed friendly with ThunderClan. He didn't go directly against them <iframe width="19.120000000000005" height="4.920000000000016" style="position: absolute; width: 19.120000000000005px; height: 4.920000000000016px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_84103217" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="19.120000000000005" height="4.920000000000016" style="position: absolute; width: 19.12px; height: 4.92px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 900px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_65456094" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="19.120000000000005" height="4.920000000000016" style="position: absolute; width: 19.12px; height: 4.92px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 185px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_54903828" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="19.120000000000005" height="4.920000000000016" style="position: absolute; width: 19.12px; height: 4.92px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 900px; top: 185px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_98602149" scrolling="no"></iframe> If they're not loyal to the Clans, they can't technically go to the Dark Forest then as they're for Clan cats. Just like with Bloodclan.
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Post by kinkajou on Dec 29, 2018 16:40:43 GMT -5
That's true but if they had to go somewhere
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Post by Moonblazer on Dec 29, 2018 17:02:36 GMT -5
Needletail sacrificed herself to save Violetpaw, yet you’re saying she deserves to go to the dark forest? She also manipulated and forced Violetpaw to hurt her sister, fight under rouges who slaughtered innocent cats and destroyed Shadowclan, and turned her against the code. Needletail was a horrible friend, and I doubt she would have honestly cared what happened to Violetpaw if Rain had lived and she didn’t see what a god awful decision she made. She was a leading voice in the destruction of Shadowclan and once she did die, she still never owned up to her gross actions. She blamed it on everyone else but herself when she was one of the biggest traitors. She blames Rowanstar in Starclan for literally her actions. That’s the worst and nastiest kind of person/cat in my eyes.
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Post by Grizzly on Dec 30, 2018 6:08:07 GMT -5
Y'all already know what I'm going to say. Needletail Juiperclaw too. Every cat that willingly joined The Kin Revenge is not productive at all to the clans. Logically it does not make any sense, none of the former kin members pose a threat to Shadowclan, except for some obvious few. In fact they make up for most of Shadowclan, probably over 2/3 of them were former kin members. The only reason you'd want this to happen is revenge. Morally it's also wrong, this sounds like something that North Korea would do. It's also similar to some questionable things the US did in the 1950s, did you know that Maria Butian would probably be executed during that time? US used to execute soviet spies until it ran into legal and moral issues. Besides the clans are supposed to be morally better than rogues, and sentencing traitors to eternal hell sounds like something Darktail would do.
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Post by kinkajou on Dec 30, 2018 15:21:24 GMT -5
Y'all already know what I'm going to say. Needletail Juiperclaw too. Every cat that willingly joined The Kin Revenge is not productive at all to the clans. Logically it does not make any sense, none of the former kin members pose a threat to Shadowclan, except for some obvious few. In fact they make up for most of Shadowclan, probably over 2/3 of them were former kin members. The only reason you'd want this to happen is revenge. Morally it's also wrong, this sounds like something that North Korea would do. It's also similar to some questionable things the US did in the 1950s, did you know that Maria Butian would probably be executed during that time? US used to execute soviet spies until it ran into legal and moral issues. Besides the clans are supposed to be morally better than rogues, and sentencing traitors to eternal hell sounds like something Darktail would do. Well....they're bad people. Isn't that why every DF cat ended up there? And why shouldn't spies be executed
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2018 15:39:00 GMT -5
Revenge is not productive at all to the clans. Logically it does not make any sense, none of the former kin members pose a threat to Shadowclan, except for some obvious few. In fact they make up for most of Shadowclan, probably over 2/3 of them were former kin members. The only reason you'd want this to happen is revenge. Morally it's also wrong, this sounds like something that North Korea would do. It's also similar to some questionable things the US did in the 1950s, did you know that Maria Butian would probably be executed during that time? US used to execute soviet spies until it ran into legal and moral issues. Besides the clans are supposed to be morally better than rogues, and sentencing traitors to eternal hell sounds like something Darktail would do. Well....they're bad people. Isn't that why every DF cat ended up there? And why shouldn't spies be executed Guys if you want to take about real life history/events, can you take this to private messages or the off-topics forums?
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Post by kells on Dec 30, 2018 21:06:48 GMT -5
In Warriors, it's typically cats who murder in cold blood who go to Dark Forest. The exclusions I've seen so far is Ashfur, Blackstar, Russetfur and maybe Onestar. So, applying those things to Dotc and AVoS would be simple.
Clear Sky gets a pass barely, blocking out his character inconsistency. He was intended to have learned from his mistakes by the authors themselves, the writing was just so poor it really didn't go through and he had probably the most terribly written redemption arcs this series has ever seen. There was an attempt so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Needletail... she had a lot of potential with her personality in the first two books, but that was thrown in the trash and she became a jerk. But throughout the series she didn't anything except for crummy, jerky and all-out crappy things. Her poorly written change of heart happened when her obses- love-interest died, which was somehow considered redemption. Either way, her ticket's for StarClan.
Sleekwhisker? Forgot who she was, didn't she kill Rowanclaw..? If she did then Dark Forest for her.
Everyone knows where One-Eye belongs.
Reedwhatsit-- whoever that cat was who plotted against SkyClan in Moth Flight's Vision. I don't think she was "evil" per say, the cat who led the dogs to that rogue camp where violet came from was in the wrong. It was a mistake that lead to several deaths and Reedwhatsit felt it was unfair for him to go unpunished. In other words she was driven by grief and rage, not malice. StarClan for her.
Star Flower, eh... StarClan. One-Eye was her only living relative, and her actions weren't all that evil.
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Post by dashingshadows on Dec 30, 2018 21:38:23 GMT -5
Clear Sky can go rot in the DF, considering how many cats he murdered, he’d fit right in
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