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Post by Ligerfrost on Aug 17, 2016 16:59:01 GMT -5
What if the kits made it to RiverClan and they kept the kits but refused to take in Map!eshade?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2016 17:00:23 GMT -5
I honestly don't know. Mapleshade was bitter with ThunderClan, so tbh, she might have still tried to destroy them. She said "They will regret it one day", after all
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2016 17:01:06 GMT -5
Everything would have turned out the same. She'd still love her kits, just hate everyone else.
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Post by kinkajou on Aug 17, 2016 17:08:42 GMT -5
The kits would stay with Mapleshade rather than be in Riverclan
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2016 17:20:28 GMT -5
I think Mapleshade would have still sought vengeance on TC, but would threaten TC as a whole and not as specific with Ravenwing and Reedshine. She would probably never forgive Appledusk but when she realizes her kits still care for him and don't want him killed, she decides to leave RiverClan alone in general for the sake of her kits.
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Post by sphagnosidum on Aug 17, 2016 17:24:04 GMT -5
That would create a lot of tension. I think RiverClan would keep the kits as their own, Appledusk and Reedwhisker agreeing to keep them. While Mapleshade, a treachous ThunderClan cat, would have been exiled on the pretense that Mapleshade is incapable of providing the kits with adequate care because of her poor decisions (betraying the warrior code leading her to be Clanless). I doubt RiverClan would reject the kits because their minds aren't muddled by a ridiculous prophecy and RiverClan would support Appledusk.
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Post by Ligerfrost on Aug 17, 2016 18:37:10 GMT -5
I think Mapleshade would have still sought vengeance on TC, but would threaten TC as a whole and not as specific with Ravenwing and Reedshine. She would probably never forgive Appledusk but when she realizes her kits still care for him and don't want him killed, she decides to leave RiverClan alone in general for the sake of her kits. I'm not so sure...If Mapleshade cared about her kits would she rather them be protected in a Clan then be with her? The whole reason she sought out RiverClan was so that they all could be with Appledusk. Also It would be more warriors for RiverClan I doubt they'd just let Mapleshade take them since they were App!eedusk's kits as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2016 18:49:54 GMT -5
I think Mapleshade would have still sought vengeance on TC, but would threaten TC as a whole and not as specific with Ravenwing and Reedshine. She would probably never forgive Appledusk but when she realizes her kits still care for him and don't want him killed, she decides to leave RiverClan alone in general for the sake of her kits. I'm not so sure...If Mapleshade cared about her kits would she rather them be protected in a Clan then be with her? The whole reason she sought out RiverClan was so that they all could be with Appledusk. Also It would be more warriors for RiverClan I doubt they'd just let Mapleshade take them since they were App!eedusk's kits as well. True... but we have no idea what Mapleshade's mindset would have been at the time. Some argue that it was her kit's death that sent her off the deep end, and that she would have been able to get ahold of herself if they didn't- and some think she would have always lived a life of revenge as long as something traumatic happened in her life. We just don't know, so though I think her vengeance nature would have been somewhat diminished, pretty much anything could have happened- especially since we didn't really know her all to well before the incident. I was just taking a wild guess cause... well, who knows ^^" Mapleshade's nuts. |
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Post by Ligerfrost on Aug 17, 2016 19:01:42 GMT -5
I'm not so sure...If Mapleshade cared about her kits would she rather them be protected in a Clan then be with her? The whole reason she sought out RiverClan was so that they all could be with Appledusk. Also It would be more warriors for RiverClan I doubt they'd just let Mapleshade take them since they were App!eedusk's kits as well. True... but we have no idea what Mapleshade's mindset would have been at the time. Some argue that it was her kit's death that sent her off the deep end, and that she would have been able to get ahold of herself if they didn't- and some think she would have always lived a life of revenge as long as something traumatic happened in her life. We just don't know, so though I think her vengeance nature would have been somewhat diminished, pretty much anything could have happened- especially since we didn't really know her all to well before the incident. I was just taking a wild guess cause... well, who knows ^^" Mapleshade's nuts. Except on the way to RiverClan she was talking about how she was going to make ThunderClan regret they ever kicked them out. She even snapped at her own kits for complaining about being tired which implies vengeance was already at the forefront of her mind when she was taking her kits to RiverClan. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2016 19:09:37 GMT -5
True... but we have no idea what Mapleshade's mindset would have been at the time. Some argue that it was her kit's death that sent her off the deep end, and that she would have been able to get ahold of herself if they didn't- and some think she would have always lived a life of revenge as long as something traumatic happened in her life. We just don't know, so though I think her vengeance nature would have been somewhat diminished, pretty much anything could have happened- especially since we didn't really know her all to well before the incident. I was just taking a wild guess cause... well, who knows ^^" Mapleshade's nuts. Except on the way to RiverClan she was talking about how she was going to make ThunderClan regret they ever kicked them out. She even snapped at her own kits for complaining about being tired which implies vengeance was already at the forefront of her mind when she was taking her kits to RiverClan. Yeah, I know ^^" but I just don't see enough evidence she would act a certain way if her kits were alive. I would rather see more of her attitude in RC, with her kits alive, to make a better conclusion. But I don't have that, so I don't know what to think. But again, I do think she could have acted any way. I just don't think there's enough information. But I don't mind people speculating really. Overall I'm just saying I personally think she might have not been as bad, but I'm not conclusive on that at all. That's just my guts. |
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Post by moonmasksunfrost on Aug 17, 2016 19:40:48 GMT -5
Interesting question.
If Mapleshade truly loved her kits and wanted the best for them, she would likely have been willing to put them in the best possible situation. Then again, she was already going a little bit revenge-crazy on ThunderClan, but who can say what would have happened.
I wonder if Appledusk would have been more receptive/welcoming if their kits had survived? I don't know how much true kindness he has capacity for though, honestly -.-* the jerk.
What interests me perhaps the most is how harsh the Clans were; look at how much they changed over the generations. Known Half-Clan cats like Windflight, Willowbreeze and Graypool (originally typoed as Garypool, LOL) were able to live in peace; their parents weren't shamed/exiled or anything. I mean, Appledusk may have inadvertently caused the death of a ThunderClan warrior, but... It's not like Mapleshade went and got pregnant after that?? That just intruigues me.
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Post by Wicked Witch on Aug 17, 2016 22:12:54 GMT -5
reedshine will probably take care of them and mapleshade will feel attacked even when they aren't being harmed in any way and then destroys the clan though the Power Of Outstanding Pettiness  |
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Post by Cloudshadow on Aug 18, 2016 3:12:09 GMT -5
I feel like Mapleshade would have refused to be separated from her kits and taken them with her. Sure, the logical thing to do would be to give her kits to RC because they'd have a better chance at life but Mapleshade was already thinking of revenge. I also think she'd be too prideful to admit even to herself that she couldn't look after them on her own. And I don't think she'd want to give them up to Appledusk and his Clan after he cheated on her. If RiverClan refused to give her the kits I think she would have spent her time plotting against RiverClan more than ThunderClan in order to kidnap her kits back. The book could have gone on this way and she could have died in a final attempt to get her kits.
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