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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 8:16:16 GMT -5
because she's the erin's pet
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Post by ʀʜʏᴇʟʟᴀ on Aug 19, 2016 23:46:21 GMT -5
I have a strong feeling that Leafpool is needed as a plot device in the next Vision of Shadows book. Plus I think the REAL question is...why isn't Daisy dead Daisy isn't very old (just senior warrior age), and she's been well-protected most of her life. She's also mysteriously immune to sickness. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 23:55:52 GMT -5
I hate how short the lifespan is in warriors. I have an indoor/outdoor cat at my mother's house, 16 years old and healthy, still hunting and exploring every day. She didn't even start to seem "old" until she was 13 or so. The cats in warrior cats have medicine, there's no reason for them to be dying of old age at 8-11. It's another serious problem with the erins not researching their books at all. These cats fight battles, though. And they are wild. Hollyleaf died fighting Hawkfrost Sorreltail died from wounds Hawkfrost was murdered by his own brother And so on. These cats are trained to fight, not relax at home. I am sure that kittypets live a long life. Who knows how old Purdy truly is? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 23:58:18 GMT -5
I hate how short the lifespan is in warriors. I have an indoor/outdoor cat at my mother's house, 16 years old and healthy, still hunting and exploring every day. She didn't even start to seem "old" until she was 13 or so. The cats in warrior cats have medicine, there's no reason for them to be dying of old age at 8-11. It's another serious problem with the erins not researching their books at all. These cats fight battles, though. And they are wild. Hollyleaf died fighting Hawkfrost Sorreltail died from wounds Hawkfrost was murdered by his own brother And so on. These cats are trained to fight, not relax at home. I am sure that kittypets live a long life. Who knows how old Purdy truly is? Purdy is a god |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2016 0:03:52 GMT -5
I hate how short the lifespan is in warriors. I have an indoor/outdoor cat at my mother's house, 16 years old and healthy, still hunting and exploring every day. She didn't even start to seem "old" until she was 13 or so. The cats in warrior cats have medicine, there's no reason for them to be dying of old age at 8-11. It's another serious problem with the erins not researching their books at all. You do realize most people say that they live too long? Also, it's primitive medicine. |
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Post by Moon on Aug 20, 2016 7:40:22 GMT -5
I hate how short the lifespan is in warriors. I have an indoor/outdoor cat at my mother's house, 16 years old and healthy, still hunting and exploring every day. She didn't even start to seem "old" until she was 13 or so. The cats in warrior cats have medicine, there's no reason for them to be dying of old age at 8-11. It's another serious problem with the erins not researching their books at all. You do realize most people say that they live too long? Also, it's primitive medicine. What I'm saying is 8-9 years old is not "old age" for cats. It's reasonable for them to die from battle, or any other "wild cat" thing, but not from "old age" at such young ages. Its not reasonable to retire from battle and work when they're still at an age where cared for outdoor cats are still healthy and young. It may be "primitive medicine" but whatever you think of it, it works in universe. It works and gets rid of the illnesses and infections completely most of the time. (when they don't need 60% of the she-cats to die inbetween books) edit: and people who say they live too long has never had properly taken care of cats |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2016 8:08:17 GMT -5
A lot of ThunderClan is done for like really their storoes are spent but wouldn't you want to have at least some of the original characters rather than the new ones? Not really. I'm kind of tired of Graystripe and Brackenfur and them, they're done. Let them reunite with their family in StarClan. |
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Post by *Faith* on Aug 23, 2016 16:10:28 GMT -5
I think Leafpool was kept alive to train the next ShadowClan medicine cat.
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Post by andy on Aug 23, 2016 16:55:29 GMT -5
You do realize most people say that they live too long? Also, it's primitive medicine. What I'm saying is 8-9 years old is not "old age" for cats. It's reasonable for them to die from battle, or any other "wild cat" thing, but not from "old age" at such young ages. Its not reasonable to retire from battle and work when they're still at an age where cared for outdoor cats are still healthy and young. It may be "primitive medicine" but whatever you think of it, it works in universe. It works and gets rid of the illnesses and infections completely most of the time. (when they don't need 60% of the she-cats to die inbetween books) edit: and people who say they live too long has never had properly taken care of cats I have two cats, both are about 8 years old, and there are no signs of old age whatsoever. They are indoor cats, but still, 8-year-old cats should not be dying of old age. Sure, they could be starting to feel older in the Warriors universe from the harsh of the wild, but I don't think it's so old that they should be retiring unless something has disabled them from doing their duties. Perhaps the feeling of old age just comes faster in the Warriors universe, and I guess I'm kind of whatever to that. A cat is still more likely to die fighting in the Warriors world rather than of old age, though. None of these cats should be retiring due to age if they're 8 or early 9 years, though. edit: forgot to add that it doesn't mean that Leafpool has to die of old age. She could get hurt, or sick. And anyways, age can hit someone faster than it hits another. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 17:25:18 GMT -5
I don't think people are talking as much about old age as they are that they are just sick of seeing Leafpool and want her to be gone- and don't care how she goes.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Aug 23, 2016 18:01:45 GMT -5
You do realize most people say that they live too long? Also, it's primitive medicine. What I'm saying is 8-9 years old is not "old age" for cats. It's reasonable for them to die from battle, or any other "wild cat" thing, but not from "old age" at such young ages. Its not reasonable to retire from battle and work when they're still at an age where cared for outdoor cats are still healthy and young. It may be "primitive medicine" but whatever you think of it, it works in universe. It works and gets rid of the illnesses and infections completely most of the time. (when they don't need 60% of the she-cats to die inbetween books) edit: and people who say they live too long has never had properly taken care of cats
Back on topic... in this universe, you're lucky to be alive by 8 or 10 years old. In the first series, 5 years was old enough when that could really be a normal warrior's age in our world. And I don't remember seeing anyone saying she should die of old age, either, just that she needs to go. You also need to consider that battling, hunting, and fighting illnesses add stress and that can add years onto a cat, making them feel older. It doesn't help that the Clans are inbred, which can shorten life spans greatly.
As for medicine, it takes quite a lot of it to cure an illness and there are many who still die from sickness. It is quite primitive and not 100% effective. It's also why the medicine cats do check-ups. They have to catch it very early on to possibly cure it. |
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Post by Moon on Aug 23, 2016 21:45:10 GMT -5
What I'm saying is 8-9 years old is not "old age" for cats. It's reasonable for them to die from battle, or any other "wild cat" thing, but not from "old age" at such young ages. Its not reasonable to retire from battle and work when they're still at an age where cared for outdoor cats are still healthy and young. It may be "primitive medicine" but whatever you think of it, it works in universe. It works and gets rid of the illnesses and infections completely most of the time. (when they don't need 60% of the she-cats to die inbetween books) edit: and people who say they live too long has never had properly taken care of cats
Back on topic... in this universe, you're lucky to be alive by 8 or 10 years old. In the first series, 5 years was old enough when that could really be a normal warrior's age in our world. And I don't remember seeing anyone saying she should die of old age, either, just that she needs to go. You also need to consider that battling, hunting, and fighting illnesses add stress and that can add years onto a cat, making them feel older. It doesn't help that the Clans are inbred, which can shorten life spans greatly.
As for medicine, it takes quite a lot of it to cure an illness and there are many who still die from sickness. It is quite primitive and not 100% effective. It's also why the medicine cats do check-ups. They have to catch it very early on to possibly cure it.I'm saying that saying "eight is old age" is someone who hasn't had cats, not "13s old age," there's a huge difference. The cats die from illness, but that's usually an early death, not an old age death. Mistystar is around real life cat elder age for sure. Leafpool isn't, exactly, she's just kinda up there. Inbreeding is absolutely something the authors don't factor into cat health in this series, they don't even want to address it, just passively ignore and avoid it. But that's another thing: the series isn't well researched. That's the main problem here. The average lifespan for feral cats is around that lower age because they're weaker and poorly taken care of, which warrior cats just aren't. Their medicine doesn't always work, but when it does, the cats come out of it cured and healthy. Cats that are old and free of disease should be around the same shape as a housecat, unless all the cats secretly all have untreated worms and lime disease. |
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Aug 23, 2016 23:15:35 GMT -5
This is exactly why the Erins should have fast forward twenty years and given us all new characters.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Aug 23, 2016 23:25:26 GMT -5
The last line is a bit offensive. My cat was about 13-14 years and died of old age, and Mistystar is currently 12.5. She's getting up there and shouldn't be alive for too much longer. Just because some cats do not live to 16 years does not mean that the owner doesn't know what they're doing.
Back on topic... in this universe, you're lucky to be alive by 8 or 10 years old. In the first series, 5 years was old enough when that could really be a normal warrior's age in our world. And I don't remember seeing anyone saying she should die of old age, either, just that she needs to go. You also need to consider that battling, hunting, and fighting illnesses add stress and that can add years onto a cat, making them feel older. It doesn't help that the Clans are inbred, which can shorten life spans greatly.
As for medicine, it takes quite a lot of it to cure an illness and there are many who still die from sickness. It is quite primitive and not 100% effective. It's also why the medicine cats do check-ups. They have to catch it very early on to possibly cure it. I'm saying that saying "eight is old age" is someone who hasn't had cats, not "13s old age," there's a huge difference. The cats die from illness, but that's usually an early death, not an old age death. Mistystar is around real life cat elder age for sure. Leafpool isn't, exactly, she's just kinda up there. Inbreeding is absolutely something the authors don't factor into cat health in this series, they don't even want to address it, just passively ignore and avoid it. But that's another thing: the series isn't well researched. That's the main problem here. The average lifespan for feral cats is around that lower age because they're weaker and poorly taken care of, which warrior cats just aren't. Their medicine doesn't always work, but when it does, the cats come out of it cured and healthy. Cats that are old and free of disease should be around the same shape as a housecat, unless all the cats secretly all have untreated worms and lime disease. But they still die "old" in the series. Stress is still a factor along with other causes. Centuries ago, if you were 30, you were considered old because people died around that time due to various things. The series isn't accurate, but it can be considered accurate with how the Clans are feral cats and they are in no where near the pampered condition of housecats. They are bound to die at a younger age due to the environment and other factors. Plus it's the Erins' universe, calling out flaws is okay, but in general, it's starting to get to where it seems like people are demanding things change to suit them and that's not going to happen. And that was in general, not really directed towards any specific person. |
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Post by Moon on Aug 24, 2016 9:24:45 GMT -5
I'm saying that saying "eight is old age" is someone who hasn't had cats, not "13s old age," there's a huge difference. The cats die from illness, but that's usually an early death, not an old age death. Mistystar is around real life cat elder age for sure. Leafpool isn't, exactly, she's just kinda up there. Inbreeding is absolutely something the authors don't factor into cat health in this series, they don't even want to address it, just passively ignore and avoid it. But that's another thing: the series isn't well researched. That's the main problem here. The average lifespan for feral cats is around that lower age because they're weaker and poorly taken care of, which warrior cats just aren't. Their medicine doesn't always work, but when it does, the cats come out of it cured and healthy. Cats that are old and free of disease should be around the same shape as a housecat, unless all the cats secretly all have untreated worms and lime disease. But they still die "old" in the series. Stress is still a factor along with other causes. Centuries ago, if you were 30, you were considered old because people died around that time due to various things. The series isn't accurate, but it can be considered accurate with how the Clans are feral cats and they are in no where near the pampered condition of housecats. They are bound to die at a younger age due to the environment and other factors. Plus it's the Erins' universe, calling out flaws is okay, but in general, it's starting to get to where it seems like people are demanding things change to suit them and that's not going to happen. And that was in general, not really directed towards any specific person. But even back then, it was early deaths plaguing lifespan, not being "older" at younger ages. Not to mention that if people lived to be 15-20 to begin with, they would usually live longer- infant and childhood deaths were the most common. It was that more things killed you back then, not that people were stressed and died faster. War, childbirth and illness were huge factors in killing people, and all of these in some way apply to warrior cats. But all warrior cats also have access to working medicine. If or not it's always caught in time or always works, that's a novelty the cats have over medieval humans. They do not always die from illness, and are cured of it 90% of the time without lasting negative effects that could further shorten their lifespans. And Queens have successful, non mother-murdering litters almost all the time, unless they're Silverstream. What I'm saying isn't that cats shouldn't die at these ages, but that biologically, they shouldn't be considered particularly old, and shouldn't be dying of nothing but "old age" at eight years old. I also don't think that clan life is particularly stressful and taxing, even with war and death and all that. The cats are always on about how happy and fulfilled and right they are compared to kittypets. |
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Aug 24, 2016 20:22:42 GMT -5
But who has died from old age? Goldenflower and Littlecloud. As least from what I remember. Because something kills you around that time and because they are in more stressful situations, they age much quicker. The stress from traveling could have also aged Goldenflower, who is older than Mistystar, I think.
Spiderleg was shown to have a graying muzzle when he technically wasn't that old. So that's an example that these cats age much faster than real life cats. It's also an establishment in the Warriors universe that around eight moons, you're a much older warrior.
The Clans will brag about their life because they view kittypets as weak. Warriors earn their food and their territory while kittypets have things handed to them. The life they love is not that glamourous. Even their prey can kill them, which is why one of the codes was denied.
Again, they can cure it if it is treated early on or they have an abundance of catmint/herbs. There have been several greencough deaths, proving that the medicine doesn't work as much as we think. Just because some cats survive does not mean that the herbs worked on their own. You have to watch. And some have weaker immune systems, which causes them to get sick more often. That can be a side effect of them being inbred and the Erins unknowingly putting it there.
What's in the books is what is in the books. I agree a lot of it is dung, but we can't change it. Otherwise several things wouldn't have happened or would have been changed and that does not happen often. What we could do is instead of trying to demand change, we try to understand the universe and the rules of it we've been given.
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Post by Cheyenne on Aug 28, 2016 19:15:29 GMT -5
Nah let's keep Brightheart and Cloudpelt and Brackenfur because most of the original characters are gone and we should enjoy them before they fall into StarClan, but I do agree with you Leafpool should go. Yep totally agree. I'd like to see Brightheart and Clouldtail a little more before they join Starclan. |
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Post by Πιghtωιηg on Aug 29, 2016 6:53:19 GMT -5
Because Vicky kills all the awesome cats and has to have some way of keeping ThunderClan's population up.
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