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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 28, 2018 10:57:10 GMT -5
Okay, I finally have time to post my own thoughts on the sample. First off, I'm still looking forward to it, if only for the snark. I'm surprised part of After Sunset: We Need to Talk was referenced in terms of Nightcloud having more kits other than Breezepelt, but it didn't come as too unexpected either. This also helps explain why she was overprotective of her son in the first place. I also liked how it was mentioned that Crowfeather tried to get close to Breezekit, but just gave up at some point.
Also, Onestar calling out Crowfeather. On one hand, I find it to be hilariously hypocritical, but I also get what he's saying. I'm also not really surprised that he's a decent leader to his pwn Clan, given how much they respected him until he died. I'm glad we're actually seeing his leadership through his Clan's eyes, even if I don't agree with his choices.
I'm assuming the water is the storm from BS.
As for the white cat, I have absolutely no idea what or who it could be. Moth Flight, perhaps? She's the only dead white cat that immediately comes to mind that would want anything to do with WindClan. I just can't figure out why, so a part of me doubts it's her.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Aug 28, 2018 10:59:22 GMT -5
Crowfeather gonna be leader
I'm calling it
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Post by Moonblazer on Aug 28, 2018 11:01:23 GMT -5
Crowfeather getting heated that Onestar didn’t make him deputy and knowing if he tried to fight Onestar, he’d get his butt kicked by Onestar, then the entire clan would kick his butt.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 11:02:31 GMT -5
I wonder if it's Darktail, after all when Crowfeather first reported to Onestar I don't know if it was just me but he seemed initially pretty concerned at first or at least reflecting before Crowfeather said he could have been imagining things and I wouldn't be surprised if Onestar ignored the worry as well, considering the odds being so unlikely that he would make it all the way here. I mean, who doesn't think about their child they abandoned or gave up ages ago?
But yeah I could be wrong but it just seemed like an abnormally tense moment for Onestar, but maybe that's just me thinking ahead or reading into the scene too much.
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Post by Moonblazer on Aug 28, 2018 11:03:32 GMT -5
Crowfeather gonna be leader I'm calling it probably, sadly next thing you know, Sol’s gonna be the leader of Skyclan, any other undeserving cats gonna be leader soon? lol
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Post by Brindlefern on Aug 28, 2018 11:03:37 GMT -5
I wonder if it's Darktail, after all when Crowfeather first reported to Onestar I don't know if it was just me but he seemed initially pretty concerned at first or at least reflecting before Crowfeather said he could have been imagining things and I wouldn't be surprised if Onestar ignored the worry as well, considering the odds being so unlikely that he would make it all the way here. I mean, who doesn't think about their child they abandoned or gave up ages ago? But yeah I could be wrong but it just seemed like an abnormally tense moment for Onestar, but maybe that's just me thinking ahead or reading into the scene too much. It was a white cat though. Darktail's tail is black.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Aug 28, 2018 11:03:48 GMT -5
I wonder if it's Darktail, after all when Crowfeather first reported to Onestar I don't know if it was just me but he seemed initially pretty concerned at first or at least reflecting before Crowfeather said he could have been imagining things and I wouldn't be surprised if Onestar ignored the worry as well, considering the odds being so unlikely that he would make it all the way here. I mean, who doesn't think about their child they abandoned or gave up ages ago? But yeah I could be wrong but it just seemed like an abnormally tense moment for Onestar, but maybe that's just me thinking ahead or reading into the scene too much. Unfortunately, his tail is black.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 11:04:51 GMT -5
Oh, scratch that then. I just knew that he was mostly white.
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Post by Lightflame on Aug 28, 2018 11:54:27 GMT -5
What if Larkwing is right, and Beetlewhisker is the cat they bring back?
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Post by Sundance on Aug 28, 2018 12:07:14 GMT -5
I hate how they're treating Breezepelt's character in this super edition so far ... and what Onestar said to Crowfeather annoyed me too ... self-righteous much?
The rest was great and I think this super edition has a lot of potential. :-D
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Post by Fernstep on Aug 28, 2018 12:08:36 GMT -5
I'm surprised no one has talked about this yet.
The whole idea of "ghost cats" makes no sense. At all. I can't wrap my head around how this is supposed to work. Some of the cats in the book get all surprised and excited when they hear about potential "ghost cats", and others say that the idea is ridiculous and impossible. Neither reaction makes any sense. The description we've been given of the "ghost cats" is no different from how StarClan cats appear in the living world, which everyone just saw in the Great Battle. The only difference between them is the color that they glow. We're not given any meaningful description of how the "ghosts" are any different from StarClan, yet all the characters react as if the idea is revolutionary, simply because a different word---one that we readers are familiar with---was used to describe them. It's absurd.
Also, Onestar sucks.
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Post by Sundance on Aug 28, 2018 12:18:04 GMT -5
I'm surprised no one has talked about this yet. The whole idea of "ghost cats" makes no sense. At all. I can't wrap my head around how this is supposed to work. Some of the cats in the book get all surprised and excited when they hear about potential "ghost cats", and others say that the idea is ridiculous and impossible. Neither reaction makes any sense. The description we've been given of the "ghost cats" is no different from how StarClan cats appear in the living world, which everyone just saw in the Great Battle. The only difference between them is the color that they glow. We're not given any meaningful description of how the "ghosts" are any different from StarClan, yet all the characters react as if the idea is revolutionary, simply because a different word---one that we readers are familiar with---was used to describe them. It's absurd. Also, Onestar sucks. We've gone past the point of logic in this series . . . we're now entering The Twilight Zone.
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Post by Fernstep on Aug 28, 2018 12:28:19 GMT -5
I'm just gonna explain why this doesn't make sense to me a bit more in-depth... This is how ghosts are introduced to us. No further explanation is given, other than when the concept is later explained to other characters. This is all we are told. Ghosts---a word which has never been used with this meaning before in the series---are believed to be dead cats that come back and shine white. That's it. That's not different from how StarClan cats work in any way that matters. Yet the entire Clan treats the concept as if it's either 1) ridiculous or 2) exciting and completely different from StarClan. Several characters even say "There's no such thing as ghosts, only StarClan!" as if there's any difference between the two! None of it makes any sense!
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Post by sylveon on Aug 28, 2018 12:49:54 GMT -5
Man, I'm actually enjoying Crowfeather's POV. Onestar is right, he DOES need to sort out all his crap. It's not healthy to be so torn up over your ex(es? Lol)from years ago, whether or not you still love her. Even if him saying watching one son attempt to murder another is fine because they're in different Clans was wildly gross. Breezepelt wasn't attacking to defend his Clan, he was killing purposely, which is against the warrior code.
I honestly like that Harespring is a little immature and clumsy at the moment. We're gonna get to see him grow into such a great cat, since we already know he's a pretty dang good leader. I also like that we're seeing other cats question the decision of a dark forest cat becoming deputy, just as we all did when BrS came out. I also like that we got a reference to that sunset play in Nightcloud having multiple kits, and that Crowfeather did try to be a good father to Breezepelt but she was too over protective. Hopefully this book clears up a lot of thoughts a lot of us have about this family, mine included.
All and all, I'm excited for this book, it seems pretty good and the plot of ghost cats is interesting. More cats being in purgatory, that's neat. I'm also wondering if those ghost cats are the Ancients? White cat = Half Moon? I'm also starting to like Nightcloud a bit, and I hope she finds real love amongst her Clan.
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Post by Viperstrike on Aug 28, 2018 13:31:31 GMT -5
I'm just gonna explain why this doesn't make sense to me a bit more in-depth... This is how ghosts are introduced to us. No further explanation is given, other than when the concept is later explained to other characters. This is all we are told. Ghosts---a word which has never been used with this meaning before in the series---are believed to be dead cats that come back and shine white. That's it. That's not different from how StarClan cats work in any way that matters. Yet the entire Clan treats the concept as if it's either 1) ridiculous or 2) exciting and completely different from StarClan. Several characters even say "There's no such thing as ghosts, only StarClan!" as if there's any difference between the two! None of it makes any sense! Eh, I personally don't think it's that bad. To me it kind of sounds like spirits vs demons vs ghosts in real life. Some people don't believe in any of them, some people believe in spirits, some believe in all of them. They all share similiar aspects but they're different. I think that's how this is supposed to be. StarClan cats are spirits that live on another realm but have the ability to visit earth, whereas ghosts are stuck on earth.
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Post by Fernstep on Aug 28, 2018 13:37:58 GMT -5
I'm just gonna explain why this doesn't make sense to me a bit more in-depth... This is how ghosts are introduced to us. No further explanation is given, other than when the concept is later explained to other characters. This is all we are told. Ghosts---a word which has never been used with this meaning before in the series---are believed to be dead cats that come back and shine white. That's it. That's not different from how StarClan cats work in any way that matters. Yet the entire Clan treats the concept as if it's either 1) ridiculous or 2) exciting and completely different from StarClan. Several characters even say "There's no such thing as ghosts, only StarClan!" as if there's any difference between the two! None of it makes any sense! Eh, I personally don't think it's that bad. To me it kind of sounds like spirits vs demons vs ghosts in real life. Some people don't believe in any of them, some people believe in spirits, some believe in all of them. They all share similiar aspects but they're different. I think that's how this is supposed to be. StarClan cats are spirits that live on another realm but have the ability to visit earth, whereas ghosts are stuck on earth. But that's not at all what we're told in the book. The cats make no distinction between "good" or "bad" spirits, and make no distinction at all between StarClan cats and "ghosts" other than the word used to refer to them and their glow color. There's no reason for them to be distinct from each other. A rationalization like "stuck on earth" only works if that's what's actually going on in the book, not a fanmade justification for it.
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Post by Viperstrike on Aug 28, 2018 13:40:36 GMT -5
Eh, I personally don't think it's that bad. To me it kind of sounds like spirits vs demons vs ghosts in real life. Some people don't believe in any of them, some people believe in spirits, some believe in all of them. They all share similiar aspects but they're different. I think that's how this is supposed to be. StarClan cats are spirits that live on another realm but have the ability to visit earth, whereas ghosts are stuck on earth. But that's not at all what we're told in the book. The cats make no distinction between "good" or "bad" spirits, and make no distinction at all between StarClan cats and "ghosts" other than the word used to refer to them and their glow color. There's no reason for them to be distinct from each other. A rationalization like "stuck on earth" only works if that's what's actually going on in the book, not a fanmade justification for it. Well, sorry I haven't read the sample yet. I was only replying to that paragraph you showed and what you wrote under it. I said ghosts are stuck on earth because that's what the difference between a ghost and spirit is in real life.
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Post by Sundance on Aug 28, 2018 13:45:19 GMT -5
Inside cover art (found on Twitter :-D )
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Post by Viperstrike on Aug 28, 2018 13:47:20 GMT -5
I like the background but I dislike Crowfeather's art.
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Post by Sundance on Aug 28, 2018 13:49:35 GMT -5
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Post by finland on Aug 28, 2018 15:17:49 GMT -5
Inside cover art (found on Twitter :-D ) Crowfeather looks old.
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Post by *Faith* on Aug 28, 2018 15:33:55 GMT -5
What if Larkwing is right, and Beetlewhisker is the cat they bring back? That would be... interesting.
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Post by *Faith* on Aug 28, 2018 15:36:03 GMT -5
Aw, Hootpaw is adorable! More of him please.
So Breezepelt's littermates are indeed canon? I'm actually surprised.
Onestar is a hypocrite. Then again, so is Breezepelt. (Looks at AVOS)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 16:23:05 GMT -5
Inside cover art (found on Twitter :-D ) Crowfeather looks old. I called Crowfeather Crowgeezer earlier on because of that.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Aug 28, 2018 16:28:06 GMT -5
Finished reading it. I still hate Onestar! Like really, is it his business to know Crowfeather's personal life? It's not gonna affect his loyalty anymore. Crowfeather has always been loyal when it came to battles and such. Just because he protected an innocent cat (Lionblaze, his son) doesn't mean he'll ALWAYS favor Thunderclan. Leafpool and Jayfeather are both medicine cats and won't be sent into battle, so really the only cat Crowfeather has a possibility of running into in battle is Lionblaze, but since the Great Battle is a special case where all the clans were united as one unit against the Dark forest, Crowfeather was allowed to protect an innocent cat during that specific battle.
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Post by *Faith* on Aug 28, 2018 16:34:00 GMT -5
One thing I'm questioning here, is when did Harespring and Smokey even meet? Or talk about ghosts of kittypets coming to visit their Twolegs? So Smokey can now see ghosts apparently...
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Post by gonxkillua on Aug 28, 2018 16:34:05 GMT -5
Finished reading it. I still hate Onestar! Like really, is it his business to know Crowfeather's personal life? It's not gonna affect his loyalty anymore. Crowfeather has always been loyal when it came to battles and such. Just because he protected an innocent cat (Lionblaze, his son) doesn't mean he'll ALWAYS favor Thunderclan. Leafpool and Jayfeather are both medicine cats and won't be sent into battle, so really the only cat Crowfeather has a possibility of running into in battle is Lionblaze, but since the Great Battle is a special case where all the clans were united as one unit against the Dark forest, Crowfeather was allowed to protect an innocent cat during that specific battle. I also want to point out that warrior code says it's wrong to try to killl another warrior unless in self denfese regardless of clan. What Breezepelt did was against the code that Onestar claims he's so loyal too.
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Post by sylveon on Aug 28, 2018 16:35:26 GMT -5
Finished reading it. I still hate Onestar! Like really, is it his business to know Crowfeather's personal life? It's not gonna affect his loyalty anymore. Crowfeather has always been loyal when it came to battles and such. Just because he protected an innocent cat (Lionblaze, his son) doesn't mean he'll ALWAYS favor Thunderclan. Leafpool and Jayfeather are both medicine cats and won't be sent into battle, so really the only cat Crowfeather has a possibility of running into in battle is Lionblaze, but since the Great Battle is a special case where all the clans were united as one unit against the Dark forest, Crowfeather was allowed to protect an innocent cat during that specific battle. I also want to point out that warrior code says it's wrong to try to killl another warrior unless in self denfese regardless of clan. What Breezepelt did was against the code that Onestar claims he's so loyal too. I feel like Onestar was reaching so hard when he had to defend him to the other Clans that he just stared to believe in what he's saying
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Aug 28, 2018 16:36:47 GMT -5
that person's twitter who got the book early? i agree with their tweet on onestar being a breezepelt apologist lmao its just so true
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Aug 28, 2018 16:37:13 GMT -5
One thing I'm questioning here, is when did Harespring and Smokey even meet? Or talk about ghosts of kittypets coming to visit their Twolegs? So Smokey can now see ghosts apparently... chaotic evil: let's ship harespring and smokey now
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