Non-binary
Melody
Order cannot exist without chaos...
Pronouns: They/them (sex: female)
|
Post by Melody on Jul 18, 2018 3:35:00 GMT -5
It has been unofficially officially confirmed. Ravenpaw x Barley is a thing. Sure, they will never put it in print, but if you ask the writers directly, they will give you two thumbs up, if you were to ask the question. But other than this couple, I cannot name any other gay couples in the Warriors series, toms or otherwise. In fact, I cannot name any LGBTQ characters at all. (This is for obvious reasons.) First of all, do you ship any gay couples? In addition, imagine you are in an alternate universe where the Warriors universe contains LGBTQ characters. (Gay characters, trans characters, non-binary characters, etc.) If they could exist, would you want them to? If not, why not? Note: If you would not want them to exist in the series because you do not support the LGBTQ community, DO NOT ANSWER. But if you can find any logical reason why, for example, transgender cats could not be a thing, leave your thoughts in the comment section below. Just be respectful to the LGBTQ community. NOTE: If any arguments arise, this thread will be deleted.
|
|
|
Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jul 18, 2018 3:52:47 GMT -5
Personally, I don't mind it, if it's done right. I actually headcanon Ivypool as Demiromantic Pansexual, and Fernsong is her genderfluid mate. It's nice to make headcanons, they're pretty harmless. Cats, in general, do display homosexual behavior natural, so I don't see why it's much of a problem anyways.
|
|
Non-binary
Melody
Order cannot exist without chaos...
Pronouns: They/them (sex: female)
|
Post by Melody on Jul 18, 2018 3:56:26 GMT -5
Personally, I don't mind it, if it's done right. I actually headcanon Ivypool as Demiromantic Pansexual, and Fernsong is her genderfluid mate. It's nice to make headcanons, they're pretty harmless. Cats, in general, do display homosexual behavior natural, so I don't see why it's much of a problem anyways. Fernsong! That is what her mate is! Thank you! <3 And I completely agree with you. But I kind of doubt that the series will not officially introduce any characters of the sort... Scenario 1: Little to no LGBTQ characters are introduced in the Warriors series. Currently, some speculation, some fan ships, and most people going, "if only..." Scenario 2: LGTBQ characters are revealed/introduced. The fans are divided. Some claim it is progressive, some don't care/mind, others dislike it. Series loses fans; series gets banned in many countries; etc. It is rather sadly, really, concerning the second possible scenario. :/
|
|
|
Post by Tas on Jul 18, 2018 6:15:34 GMT -5
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
this is a worthy milestone post.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2018 8:42:02 GMT -5
I don't think too hard about it so I only have 2 rn but for sure TallxJake LeafxMoth Are nice gay ships
|
|
|
Post by lollycat on Jul 18, 2018 10:40:01 GMT -5
Just read about how cats mate.
|
|
#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
|
Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 18, 2018 10:45:16 GMT -5
When it comes to Warriors, I just don't care for it.
|
|
|
Post by mymerlincat on Jul 18, 2018 11:18:07 GMT -5
No, because most gay shippings are close friendships turned into shippings which I don’t want happening. Some people can’t seem to tell the difference.
|
|
Bisexual
#ffc5c5
Official Queen of Fan Clans
Name Colour
ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁
Official ThunderClan & ElmClan Leader
Easing back in
|
Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Jul 18, 2018 11:42:19 GMT -5
Only if it's done right. (ex. RavenxBarley over JakexTall) I personally don't want a certain kind of character or relationship just to throw it in for representation, which people seem to ignore that this is typically the true intention of most of the time. In addition, media does it to follow a fad and get spotlight, if they truly cared and would be progressive, they wouldn't want to try to get attention for that one thing. (ex. "Hey, I added a gay couple so there is more representation!")
|
|
Bisexual
#64C7FF
Name Colour
finland
Porgs are love
|
Post by finland on Jul 18, 2018 12:20:06 GMT -5
No, because most gay shippings are close friendships turned into shippings which I don’t want happening. Some people can’t seem to tell the difference. What do you mean?
|
|
Non-binary
Melody
Order cannot exist without chaos...
Pronouns: They/them (sex: female)
|
Post by Melody on Jul 18, 2018 12:25:43 GMT -5
No, because most gay shippings are close friendships turned into shippings which I don’t want happening. Some people can’t seem to tell the difference. What do you mean? I think they are referring to friendships like Frodo and Sam. People used to see their friendship as just that - a friendship, if not a really close one. These days, people ship the pair. There is nothing wrong with people being close, regardless of the opposite sex, nor is there anything wrong with couples (gay or otherwise), but these days, if two people become close in a movie or book, people immediately ship them as a couple. Like they said, some people find it difficult to tell the difference.
|
|
|
Post by Fernstep on Jul 18, 2018 13:10:17 GMT -5
It's never going to happen in the books and I'm totally fine with that. It's also never going to stop happening in shipping, and I'm totally fine with that.
|
|
|
Post by Basement Cat on Jul 18, 2018 13:18:39 GMT -5
While it may never happen officially in Warriors, there is a unique opportunity to explore LGBTQ relationships in fanfiction, and delve into things the books cannot. Such as developing Ravenpaw and Barley's relationship, or writing about Mothwing's love for Leafpool. For that, I am glad.
It is important for people to have representation. Sure, not everyone feels they need to be represented, but it is nice to be acknowledged that you exist.
|
|
|
#FF55A3
Name Colour
Apricity
Bravelands is too slept on.
|
Post by Apricity on Jul 18, 2018 14:48:02 GMT -5
I ship Snookthorn x Bouncefire.
|
|
|
Post by Brindlefern on Jul 18, 2018 15:35:54 GMT -5
I ship Snookthorn x Bouncefire. I literally just came to that one part very early in the book with them, already I ship the two together now. x3
|
|
|
Post by Moonblazer on Jul 18, 2018 17:13:01 GMT -5
I just want Polyships tbh
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 0:18:35 GMT -5
I don't think too hard about it so I only have 2 rn but for sure TallxJake LeafxMoth Are nice gay ships how tf you forget Barley x Ravenpaw ????? The gayest of them all Idk that's my favorite too I have failed you Ravenpaw :'c lol
|
|
|
Post by mymerlincat on Jul 19, 2018 0:27:12 GMT -5
I think they are referring to friendships like Frodo and Sam. People used to see their friendship as just that - a friendship, if not a really close one. These days, people ship the pair. There is nothing wrong with people being close, regardless of the opposite sex, nor is there anything wrong with couples (gay or otherwise), but these days, if two people become close in a movie or book, people immediately ship them as a couple. Like they said, some people find it difficult to tell the difference. You hit the nail on the head
|
|
|
Post by -` gumi ´- .✫ 🐾 on Jul 19, 2018 1:42:24 GMT -5
I believe the erin's said that they can't fully have a character come out as bisexual, gay, lesbian etc. because HC won't let them due to it being banned in some countries, so the books wouldn't be able to sell there. At least that's what I heard? I believe that's also a reason why is wasn't allowed to be a topic over on the Original forums, due to HC being the base of the website and such.
But! I do ship unofficial official gay characters (despite them not being official) in the warrior's series. My two favorites are Barley and Ravenpaw, and Jake and Tallstar. I occasionally love to ship Fireheart/star and Graystripe, but it's more like a friend romance where they said "dude if im 30 and don't have a wife, we're going to marry each other" kinda thing.
but that's all really. I wanted Ivypool to be asexual/aromantic too, but hey. you can't always get what you want.
And i wanted Heathertail to be gay, but again- not possible with the books.
I would've also loved Leafpool and Mothwing. That's cute. But also forbidden.
I can't really think of others?
|
|
|
Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jul 19, 2018 18:30:08 GMT -5
I just want Polyships tbh Honey x Berry x Poppy Hawk x Ash x Mud Sand x Fire x Cinder Fern x Ivy x Holly etc but some of these are related, but these are personal prefs
|
|
|
Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jul 19, 2018 18:30:25 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by Moonblazer on Jul 19, 2018 18:44:57 GMT -5
I just want Polyships tbh Honey x Berry x Poppy Hawk x Ash x Mud Sand x Fire x Cinder Fern x Ivy x Holly etc but some of these are related, but these are personal prefs I ship MudAshHawk so freakin hard. SandFireCinder would be incredible, but I'll one up you. SandFireGreyCinder Bruh OT4 of the century, BerryPoppyBirchWhite, and let's not forget IvyFernThornBlossom Hell, I even ship BrambleAshSquirrel
|
|
|
Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jul 19, 2018 18:47:46 GMT -5
I think they are referring to friendships like Frodo and Sam. People used to see their friendship as just that - a friendship, if not a really close one. These days, people ship the pair. There is nothing wrong with people being close, regardless of the opposite sex, nor is there anything wrong with couples (gay or otherwise), but these days, if two people become close in a movie or book, people immediately ship them as a couple. Like they said, some people find it difficult to tell the difference. I don't see anything wrong with that. People do the same with heterosexual friendships all the time. The thing is, because of how gay relationships are in media, there's no easy way to outright confirm things. Look at Barley x Raven for example, many fans back in the days suspected a relationships because the two of them had an old married couple vibe to them. They looked at the subtext of their relationship, and it turns out fans were right, they are a couple, but it's not something that can be confirmed in the books themselves. And without the author's confirmation, their intentional relationship will just be another "non-romantic" friendship. Same with Tallstar x Jake, Tallstar literally didn't have any romantic interest in Reena, and desperately wanted to stay with Jake, to the point that he gave up his revenge for his sake, and even wanted to abandon everything to be with him, willing to live as a kittypet. But because of Jake's feelings for Tallstar, he didn't want him to live a life that would make him miserable. And later we have Tallstar treated Firestar like his own son, and he close relationship they have because of how he resembled his father. It's something fans picked up on, again, subtext, and then later it was confirmed. But like Raven x Barley, it's not something that can simply be written in the books without controversy. The first gay character to come out in animated works in movies and shows was from Paranorman, from what I recall. And it was strongly implied at the end of the movie and later confirmed by the writers. Then you have the first canon bisexual women in a canon lesbian romance, between Korra and Asami, on national children's cartoons. Again, there's a lot of subtext, especially development between them in S3 and S4. Many thought that either the hetoersexual relationships of Mako x Korra or Asami would happen but it didn't. (this led to that infamous meme about popping celebration bottles lol) And then recently, and mad respect for Rebecca Sugar, we have a canon lesbian couple on Steven Universe getting married, and even kissing on a children's show. SU, sadly has bee censored quite a lot in other countries, but its clear that Ruby and Sapphire were in love. However on the other hand many suspected Pearl was in love with Steven's mother, Rose. Many also denied this, but the subtext was there, and even confirmed many seasons later when she admitted this to Greg and Steven in the same episode she sings "It's over isn't it?". There were many strong implications before and subtext but many chose to ignore it, until it was confirmed, even after that episode it took Rebecca confirming it, cause some were still in denial about it. People want rep, but sometimes people just enjoy the context of a relationship. A strong friendship will always be the best foundation of an amazing romance and even a long lasting one. I'm not saying all gay pairings make sense, cause lol imo many don't make sense to me, but to those people I guess it does. It's about perspective probably.
|
|
|
Post by Moonblazer on Jul 19, 2018 18:51:32 GMT -5
Get ready
-MothSorrelLeafBracken -SpiderDaisyThorn -TawnyRowanBlack -HollyCinderMouse -LionCinderIce -ToadLionCinder -WillowJayKestrel -StormSquirrelBramble -TawnyFeatherCrow -HeatherBreezeHare -BrightCloudSwift
|
|
|
|
Post by hissingwillows on Jul 21, 2018 1:16:54 GMT -5
Yeah, I have a lot of gay couples I wish could have been together. Ivypool and Blossomfall, Hollyleaf and Willowshine or Cinderheart, Leopardstar and Sasha... and plenty more. Tallstar and Jake were also 'confirmed' as much as they could be - Kate said something like she thought Tallstar's heart would always "belong to his Jake".
I wish there were LGBT cats in the series. There's no good reason they shouldn't be - any argument over realism is worthless when it comes to Warriors. Cats have no romantic relationships or lifetime mates to begin with, and there's plenty of other stuff in Warriors that is far from reality. Representation is important for the community and Warriors would be a great series for it since it reaches a wide audience of a range of ages, and there is a large portion of the fanbase that are LGBT.
|
|
|
Post by Tas on Jul 21, 2018 13:09:09 GMT -5
I wish there were LGBT cats in the series. There's no good reason they shouldn't be - any argument over realism is worthless when it comes to Warriors. Cats have no romantic relationships or lifetime mates to begin with, and there's plenty of other stuff in Warriors that is far from reality. Representation is important for the community and Warriors would be a great series for it since it reaches a wide audience of a range of ages, and there is a large portion of the fanbase that are LGBT. The realism is very much just a side issue to the real issue, which is that Harper Collins markets in countries that don't support LGBT.
|
|
|
Post by hazelstar on Jul 27, 2018 19:33:23 GMT -5
I ship Hollyleaf and Ivypool, and I don't give a care what anybody thinks.
|
|
|
Post by Daisypool on Jul 27, 2018 20:26:40 GMT -5
I wish there were LGBT cats in the series. There's no good reason they shouldn't be - any argument over realism is worthless when it comes to Warriors. Cats have no romantic relationships or lifetime mates to begin with, and there's plenty of other stuff in Warriors that is far from reality. Representation is important for the community and Warriors would be a great series for it since it reaches a wide audience of a range of ages, and there is a large portion of the fanbase that are LGBT. Preach <3
|
|