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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2016 17:29:47 GMT -5
Is it enough to redeem Breezepelt so he can go to StarClan? I mean, he was happy that Hollyleaf died, and nearly killed both Jayfeather and Lionblaze. Not to mention he also wanted a pregnant queen dead just to frame Jayfeather
I honestly think it's too late to redeem Breezepelt. Murder is no excuse, even if you had bad parents. Since Breezepelt didn't feel remorse, I highly doubt that being a father will be enough.
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on Aug 14, 2016 18:45:29 GMT -5
Nope I don't think so.
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Post by Kenshin on Aug 14, 2016 18:51:16 GMT -5
lolno
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Post by kinkajou on Aug 14, 2016 19:23:14 GMT -5
No. Murder outweighs good parenting (if he's even a good parent at all)
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Post by Daffodil on Aug 14, 2016 19:43:34 GMT -5
Knowing the Erins? Probably. Personally, no, I don't think so.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Aug 14, 2016 21:42:30 GMT -5
Hollyleaf is a touchy subject, though. She wasn't in her right mind and some could even debate that the murder was within the code. Breezepelt, on the other hand, showed no signs of mental collapse like Hollyleaf.
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Post by Pandean on Aug 14, 2016 23:25:05 GMT -5
Hollyleaf is a touchy subject, though. She wasn't in her right mind and some could even debate that the murder was within the code. Breezepelt, on the other hand, showed no signs of mental collapse like Hollyleaf. I mean, they definitely have different situations going on, but that being said, code breakers can still be forgiven. And tbh, since we don't see WindClan or Breezepelt's POV, we don't exactly know if there is something wrong with him other than his abusive upbringing. And that being said, even those who have been abused can grow up to be good parents. Sometimes it takes having kids to change a person. Whether it will get him into StarClan depends on how much he's changed, I guess. |
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Post by Daisypool on Aug 15, 2016 4:02:37 GMT -5
Maybe there's a chance being a father will mellow out his evilness? But if Breezepelt doesn't take advantage of this second chance and redeem himself for what he's done then I don't think he should go to StarClan. But knowing the Erin's they'll probably use the Ashfur defense to justify sending him to StarClan when he dies.
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Post by crane on Aug 15, 2016 4:58:19 GMT -5
I have to say, Breezepelt is probably one of the best villains the Erins wrote. He's got a backstory that makes sense, to some capacity, and if he was human there'd be no doubt that he'd need to spend a good amount of time in therapy. I don't really think that there should be any attempt to redeem Breezepelt's character. It's so incredibly cliche to make the bad guy change his ways when it's obvious that he has issues that haven't been resolved. But hey, it's not like we haven't seen that sort of thing in the Clans before now. :/
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Post by Ligerfrost on Aug 17, 2016 13:37:15 GMT -5
No it won't. Or at least it shouldn't
Cats have been parents worse than Crowfeather and Nightcloud have gotten into StarClan. Being a good parent doesn't get you into StarClan anymore than being a bad parent gets you into the Dark forest.
So Breezepelt's kithood wasn't the best...so what? Plenty of cats have had it worse than him and still turned out better. He's done too many awful things without any remorse and targeted cats who were just as victimized as he was for what is ultimately a petty reason.
Being a decent father to his kits isn't going to make up for trying to kill so many innocent cats. Maybe if he apologizes to his Half Brothers and does something like protect them or Leafpool then maybe because it might show that he is making an effort to change and let go of the past. Otherwise no and if he does get in it's the Ashfur thing all over again.
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