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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Apr 20, 2018 1:16:01 GMT -5
hi hello its me, ladyv. my laptop logged me out of everything so i made a new account using my original email.
anyways, should ashfur have been with whitewing or seek a forbidden relationship just to get over squirrelflight? if he was that desperate, he could have moved on to fill the void, but he didn't.
if dovewing could have filled her void with tigerheart, then surely ashfur could have done the same thing? you know, make bad decisions that lead to forbidden relationship even though the relationship is pointless and unhealthy.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Apr 20, 2018 1:21:36 GMT -5
How about no one?
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Apr 20, 2018 1:25:26 GMT -5
by not moving on, he dwelled so much on squirrelflight that he turned into a psycho lol what if u had to pick one because the erins have this impulse to pair everyone up |
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All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Apr 20, 2018 1:35:55 GMT -5
by not moving on, he dwelled so much on squirrelflight that he turned into a psycho lol what if u had to pick one because the erins have this impulse to pair everyone up Well, if he had to have a mate... Wow, this is hard. I can't see Ashfur with anyone, even back when I still liked him before the Squirrelflight drama. Hmm... Hawkfrost, maybe? Okay, in all seriousness, probably either Whitewing in a scenario where she wasn't interested in Birchfall, or Leafpool, if only to slight Squirrelflight. Or perhaps Icecloud, if he lived long enough and managed to move on. |
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Post by suicunetobigaara on Apr 20, 2018 1:44:06 GMT -5
I don't really see him with anyone, even Whitewing.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Apr 20, 2018 2:21:58 GMT -5
the lovely lady called the dark forest the lady of the night  |
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Apr 20, 2018 2:22:36 GMT -5
I don't really see him with anyone, even Whitewing. for some odd reason, ashxwhite was SO popular back then |
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Post by suicunetobigaara on Apr 20, 2018 2:42:01 GMT -5
I don't really see him with anyone, even Whitewing. for some odd reason, ashxwhite was SO popular back then Probably because of that fan theory that Ashfur was the real father of Dovewing and Ivypool. There was hardly any scenes with Ashfur and Whitewing anyway. I think in Eclipse there was that time that Whitewing and Ashfur took Lionpaw and Icepaw out hunting, but that just highlighted he disconnect between Ashfur and Lionpaw. Even when Ashfur helped Whitewing (by building confidence or whatever) he was rude about it and just not responded... |
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Post by Moonblazer on Apr 20, 2018 7:39:17 GMT -5
I like the idea of him with Whitewing tbh
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Apr 20, 2018 10:21:16 GMT -5
Same, should have been him and Whitewing.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Apr 20, 2018 11:37:35 GMT -5
for some odd reason, ashxwhite was SO popular back then Probably because of that fan theory that Ashfur was the real father of Dovewing and Ivypool. There was hardly any scenes with Ashfur and Whitewing anyway. I think in Eclipse there was that time that Whitewing and Ashfur took Lionpaw and Icepaw out hunting, but that just highlighted he disconnect between Ashfur and Lionpaw. Even when Ashfur helped Whitewing (by building confidence or whatever) he was rude about it and just not responded... once again, the lack of genetics caused a problem. the basic rule should be, if the color doesnt exist between the two parents or on one of the two parents, then dont make the kits have that color. even if thats not according to REAL WORLD genetics, it's STILL A BETTER RULE than just making things NOT make sense. example: clear sky and storm should NOT have had thunder be ginger because neither of them have ginger in them. it's that simple. |
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Post by suicunetobigaara on Apr 20, 2018 11:55:59 GMT -5
Probably because of that fan theory that Ashfur was the real father of Dovewing and Ivypool. There was hardly any scenes with Ashfur and Whitewing anyway. I think in Eclipse there was that time that Whitewing and Ashfur took Lionpaw and Icepaw out hunting, but that just highlighted he disconnect between Ashfur and Lionpaw. Even when Ashfur helped Whitewing (by building confidence or whatever) he was rude about it and just not responded... once again, the lack of genetics caused a problem. the basic rule should be, if the color doesnt exist between the two parents or on one of the two parents, then dont make the kits have that color. even if thats not according to REAL WORLD genetics, it's STILL A BETTER RULE than just making things NOT make sense. example: clear sky and storm should NOT have had thunder be ginger because neither of them have ginger in them. it's that simple. I agree with you on the genetics, and the whole two grey cats (Storm and Clear Sky) making a ginger tom is just stupid. They could of made Storm ginger and it would have fixed everything. With Birchfall and Whitewing making Dovewing and Ivypool's colours, I think it is possible. White isn't a colour, it just masks colour beneath it. If what Su says is canon (it isn't) then Cloudtail might have the gene for grey fur hidden under the white spotting (I am guessing that based on his siblings, but really he should be light brown tabby), then he could have passed on that grey to Whitewing, who then passed it on to Dovewing and Ivypool. Ivypool could have gotten her tabby stripes from Birchfall, and got her white spotting from Whitewing. Or I think that is how it works, I am very new to cat genetics so I very possibly could be wrong. Honestly I don't mind twisted genetics in Warriors (Tom's getting their colouring from their father rather than mother, like Stormfur and Bramblestar - but I don't care because at least one of the parents matches the kid), but I would prefer it if it was sorta closer than the whole two grey cats make a ginger thing. |
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Apr 20, 2018 12:00:55 GMT -5
once again, the lack of genetics caused a problem. the basic rule should be, if the color doesnt exist between the two parents or on one of the two parents, then dont make the kits have that color. even if thats not according to REAL WORLD genetics, it's STILL A BETTER RULE than just making things NOT make sense. example: clear sky and storm should NOT have had thunder be ginger because neither of them have ginger in them. it's that simple. I agree with you on the genetics, and the whole two grey cats (Storm and Clear Sky) making a ginger tom is just stupid. They could of made Storm ginger and it would have fixed everything. With Birchfall and Whitewing making Dovewing and Ivypool's colours, I think it is possible. White isn't a colour, it just masks colour beneath it. If what Su says is canon (it isn't) then Cloudtail might have the gene for grey fur hidden under the white spotting (I am guessing that based on his siblings, but really he should be light brown tabby), then he could have passed on that grey to Whitewing, who then passed it on to Dovewing and Ivypool. Ivypool could have gotten her tabby stripes from Birchfall, and got her white spotting from Whitewing. Or I think that is how it works, I am very new to cat genetics so I very possibly could be wrong. Honestly I don't mind twisted genetics in Warriors (Tom's getting their colouring from their father rather than mother, like Stormfur and Bramblestar - but I don't care because at least one of the parents matches the kid), but I would prefer it if it was sorta closer than the whole two grey cats make a ginger thing. oooh i learned something new today. i didnt know about the white fur color thing..! or the erins could make it better by making sure one of the grandparents had gray in there to pass down to the next gen. |
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Post by Jaysnow on Apr 20, 2018 12:04:19 GMT -5
As someone already pointed out, Ashfur x the Dark Forest or bust.
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Post by Amber on Apr 20, 2018 12:07:40 GMT -5
once again, the lack of genetics caused a problem. the basic rule should be, if the color doesnt exist between the two parents or on one of the two parents, then dont make the kits have that color. even if thats not according to REAL WORLD genetics, it's STILL A BETTER RULE than just making things NOT make sense. example: clear sky and storm should NOT have had thunder be ginger because neither of them have ginger in them. it's that simple. With Birchfall and Whitewing making Dovewing and Ivypool's colours, I think it is possible. White isn't a colour, it just masks colour beneath it. If what Su says is canon (it isn't) then Cloudtail might have the gene for grey fur hidden under the white spotting (I am guessing that based on his siblings, but really he should be light brown tabby), then he could have passed on that grey to Whitewing, who then passed it on to Dovewing and Ivypool. Ivypool could have gotten her tabby stripes from Birchfall, and got her white spotting from Whitewing. Or I think that is how it works, I am very new to cat genetics so I very possibly could be wrong. Nope, you're information's 100% correct there. |
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Post by Brindlefern on Apr 20, 2018 12:13:00 GMT -5
I agree with you on the genetics, and the whole two grey cats (Storm and Clear Sky) making a ginger tom is just stupid. They could of made Storm ginger and it would have fixed everything. With Birchfall and Whitewing making Dovewing and Ivypool's colours, I think it is possible. White isn't a colour, it just masks colour beneath it. If what Su says is canon (it isn't) then Cloudtail might have the gene for grey fur hidden under the white spotting (I am guessing that based on his siblings, but really he should be light brown tabby), then he could have passed on that grey to Whitewing, who then passed it on to Dovewing and Ivypool. Ivypool could have gotten her tabby stripes from Birchfall, and got her white spotting from Whitewing. Or I think that is how it works, I am very new to cat genetics so I very possibly could be wrong. Honestly I don't mind twisted genetics in Warriors (Tom's getting their colouring from their father rather than mother, like Stormfur and Bramblestar - but I don't care because at least one of the parents matches the kid), but I would prefer it if it was sorta closer than the whole two grey cats make a ginger thing. oooh i learned something new today. i didnt know about the white fur color thing..! or the erins could make it better by making sure one of the grandparents had gray in there to pass down to the next gen. It's a fictional cat world with magic and powers and dead spirits. Wazzing out over correct genetics I never get. Realism like that was out the window even from ITW (Plus where's the fun over being crabby about cat genetics), best not to stress yourself. |
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Post by suicunetobigaara on Apr 20, 2018 12:24:53 GMT -5
With Birchfall and Whitewing making Dovewing and Ivypool's colours, I think it is possible. White isn't a colour, it just masks colour beneath it. If what Su says is canon (it isn't) then Cloudtail might have the gene for grey fur hidden under the white spotting (I am guessing that based on his siblings, but really he should be light brown tabby), then he could have passed on that grey to Whitewing, who then passed it on to Dovewing and Ivypool. Ivypool could have gotten her tabby stripes from Birchfall, and got her white spotting from Whitewing. Or I think that is how it works, I am very new to cat genetics so I very possibly could be wrong. Nope, you're information's 100% correct there. Ah thank you! I was a bit worried I might have gotten something wrong and learned the wrong thing. |
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Post by suicunetobigaara on Apr 20, 2018 12:28:03 GMT -5
oooh i learned something new today. i didnt know about the white fur color thing..! or the erins could make it better by making sure one of the grandparents had gray in there to pass down to the next gen. It's a fictional cat world with magic and powers and dead spirits. Wazzing out over correct genetics I never get. Realism like that was out the window even from ITW (Plus where's the fun over being crabby about cat genetics), best not to stress yourself. You make a fair enough point. I tend to just ignore it most of the time, especially since a lot of colours come out of nowhere and it helps keep the cats looking different and interesting. I dunno why Thunder bugs me so much when other pairings do the same thing? I dunno, maybe because I thought the Erin's did it on purpose to avoid people guessing who Thunder's parents would be. //Shrugs// |
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Post by Brindlefern on Apr 20, 2018 12:55:51 GMT -5
Also I rather not think about Whitewing being with him. Like come on. Whitewing would NEVER stoop as low as that pile of dirt.
I mean... it's ASHFUR. He deserves nothing but the damn Dark Forest.
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Post by Amber on Apr 20, 2018 13:27:07 GMT -5
Nope, you're information's 100% correct there. Ah thank you! I was a bit worried I might have gotten something wrong and learned the wrong thing. You're welcome! Yeah at first genetics is very confusing, but once you have them down it's basically coded into your brain. It's easier to know how they work and how kittens should realstically look based off their parents too if you're interested in that thing. |
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Post by Moonblazer on Apr 20, 2018 13:43:07 GMT -5
Also I rather not think about Whitewing being with him. Like come on. Whitewing would NEVER stoop as low as that pile of dirt. I mean... it's ASHFUR. He deserves nothing but the damn Dark Forest. I'm talking about before all that mess went down, before he went crazy with anger and crap. After Squirrelflight denies his feelings, I'd have liked Ashfur moving on and finding companionship in Whitewing. Perhaps even make Birchfall the villian instead, but with a different reasoning or something. |
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Apr 20, 2018 13:56:42 GMT -5
Let's say Ashfur did use someone else to move on from Squirrelflight. What about another clan cat? anyone got weird AU ideas for that?
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All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Apr 20, 2018 13:58:33 GMT -5
Also I rather not think about Whitewing being with him. Like come on. Whitewing would NEVER stoop as low as that pile of dirt. I mean... it's ASHFUR. He deserves nothing but the damn Dark Forest. I'm talking about before all that mess went down, before he went crazy with anger and crap. After Squirrelflight denies his feelings, I'd have liked Ashfur moving on and finding companionship in Whitewing. Perhaps even make Birchfall the villian instead, but with a different reasoning or something. That reminds me, I remember reading a fanfic where Whitewing loved Ashfur, and Birchfall was still the main antagonist, what with being arrogant and felt like he was entitled to have Whitewing. Obviously, everyone was very OOC. It still followed canon events, though, like with Ashfur dying. It ended with Dovekit and Ivykit being revealed to be Ashfur's kits. Birchfall is probably my favorite of Ferncloud's kits, so I'm glad something like this never happened. |
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Apr 20, 2018 14:00:34 GMT -5
I'm talking about before all that mess went down, before he went crazy with anger and crap. After Squirrelflight denies his feelings, I'd have liked Ashfur moving on and finding companionship in Whitewing. Perhaps even make Birchfall the villian instead, but with a different reasoning or something. That reminds me, I remember reading a fanfic where Whitewing loved Ashfur, and Birchfall was still the main antagonist, what with being arrogant and felt like he was entitled to have Whitewing. Obviously, everyone was very OOC. It still followed canon events, though, like with Ashfur dying. It ended with Dovekit and Ivykit being revealed to be Ashfur's kits. Birchfall is probably my favorite of Ferncloud's kits, so I'm glad something like this never happened. that sounds like a wild ride lol i love AUs like that. it's fun |
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Apr 20, 2018 14:03:37 GMT -5
Also I rather not think about Whitewing being with him. Like come on. Whitewing would NEVER stoop as low as that pile of dirt. I mean... it's ASHFUR. He deserves nothing but the damn Dark Forest. I'm talking about before all that mess went down, before he went crazy with anger and crap. After Squirrelflight denies his feelings, I'd have liked Ashfur moving on and finding companionship in Whitewing. Perhaps even make Birchfall the villian instead, but with a different reasoning or something. Her and Ashfur do have some moments together, but I remember it was noted how upset and distressed she was over his death. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2018 15:18:51 GMT -5
I don't wish the burden of Ashfur on anyone. He's so overemotional/dangerous, if they ever have doubts, Ashfur would snap and try to kill half their family. If he is capable of being an attempted mass murderer from simply being friend-zoned, I'd imagine Ashfur would be possessive of any mate of his, seeing them more as a personal object. Wouldn't be surprised if he also stalked or abused. It's like a one way contract to be Ashfur's mate, either you spend the rest of your life with dangerously overemotional/possessive cat or he tries to kill half your family.
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Post by mimikyutie on Apr 20, 2018 20:59:12 GMT -5
I can't see Whitewing with anyone but Birchfall, I love them together.
But seriously, can't see him with any cat from ThunderClan.
Huh, maybe an AU where he runs away from ThunderClan and becomes either a rogue or loner, perhaps meeting a kittypet or other wild cat?
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Apr 20, 2018 21:05:31 GMT -5
I can't see Whitewing with anyone but Birchfall, I love them together. But seriously, can't see him with any cat from ThunderClan. Huh, maybe an AU where he runs away from ThunderClan and becomes either a rogue or loner, perhaps meeting a kittypet or other wild cat? what if u had to pick another clan cat instead? like from windclan or riverclan, etc. and in my AU, i made ashfur get banished by firestar right after the fire instead. |
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Post by mimikyutie on Apr 20, 2018 21:08:22 GMT -5
I just can't see him in a forbidden relationship either.
Uhhhhhhh, maybe Nightcloud? I dunno, maybe that'd be interesting.
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