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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 23:35:54 GMT -5
that would actually work for me so woo hope it works for everyone else!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 23:46:42 GMT -5
Praying for the kitty and the fam, @bolderpelt . So sorry about that. My friend lost her kitty today... it's such a sad thing, it's literally like losing a best friend. Also. Someone mentioned transhumanism? Absolutely interesting. To call it "evolution" in its usual sense would be a stretch, as we'd actively be able to deny it (unless we're forced into it at birth or whatever - in which case, that's tyrannical) and it wouldn't occur naturally, but at the rate technology is advancing? Not an unlikely prospect. Aww, I'm sorry to hear that Prayers for your friend Transhumanism is such a crazy moral quandary. If we start genetically altering humans, at what point do they stop being "human"? How far down the chain of genetic engineering can you go before the soul is lost? Are we gonna end up accidentally bringing the Nephilim back or something? It's crazy to think about. Especially the long-term idea of uploading human brains into computers- in a sense, the idea of trying to obtain eternal life. I don't actually think it will get that far. It might, but I don't think it will. I don't think it's possible for a human to vacate their soul, as it's a spiritual principle and not a physical one.
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Post by Splintercat on Sept 6, 2016 23:50:10 GMT -5
Aww, I'm sorry to hear that Prayers for your friend Transhumanism is such a crazy moral quandary. If we start genetically altering humans, at what point do they stop being "human"? How far down the chain of genetic engineering can you go before the soul is lost? Are we gonna end up accidentally bringing the Nephilim back or something? It's crazy to think about. Especially the long-term idea of uploading human brains into computers- in a sense, the idea of trying to obtain eternal life. I don't actually think it will get that far. It might, but I don't think it will. I don't think it's possible for a human to vacate their soul, as it's a spiritual principle and not a physical one. No, probably not possible to vacate a soul, but brain chemistry, certainly. You'd be left with the person's soul leaving the body, and the computer running exactly as the person's brain did. Nobody on Earth would be able to tell the difference. Well, I mean, there's definitely a spiritual component that would be different, but in terms of personality and such, the computer would pretty much be the same as the person, but it wouldn't actually be them. Kind of scary to think about. I think (and hope) that Jesus will probably come back before we get that advanced though
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 0:05:00 GMT -5
I don't actually think it will get that far. It might, but I don't think it will. I don't think it's possible for a human to vacate their soul, as it's a spiritual principle and not a physical one. No, probably not possible to vacate a soul, but brain chemistry, certainly. You'd be left with the person's soul leaving the body, and the computer running exactly as the person's brain did. Nobody on Earth would be able to tell the difference. Well, I mean, there's definitely a spiritual component that would be different, but in terms of personality and such, the computer would pretty much be the same as the person, but it wouldn't actually be them. Kind of scary to think about. I think (and hope) that Jesus will probably come back before we get that advanced though It is scary... but again, I don't think human conscience (and consciousness) is something that can be artificially replicated. It's something that only God could create; so even if there were a bunch of AIs wandering around, posing as the humans in which they dwelt, they wouldn't be distinctly human. Just robots. I don't like the idea of it.
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Post by Light on Sept 7, 2016 0:10:53 GMT -5
7:30 pm EST is 5:30 pm CST, right? Sorry for my prolonged absence.
I had a sprained ankle once. Playing badminton, I stepped on my foot wrong and heard an odd crunch. Though it hurt, I thought it was just one of those pains that goes away after a little while. So I continued playing, favouring the foot as I did. Then I forgot all about it. Went to drama after the day was done and I realized my foot was burning, showing bruising, and puffing up like a giant balloon. I don't remember if I iced it, but it felt restricted with the swelling, and much easier to step on wrong the next few days. I'll pray that yours get's better soon. ^^ Tada!! I guess I didn't have to tell you the whole story... -facepalm-
I've prayed for the cat and several things on the list. May God bless you all.
I have a Christian book series suggestion called 'Books of the Infinite'. (Book 1: Prophet) (Book 2: Judge) (Book 3: King) And I am currently reading a connected series (Book 1: Exhiles) I don't remember the exact wording of the series name. I'll have to check sometime.
There are many other good Christian books I know, but it's too late for me to recall them all... ^^
Transhumanism... I agree. God designed us perfectly in his eyes, and if we change that, we're poisoning his work. He made us the way we are for a reason, and with change, some sort of balance might tip.
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Post by Light on Sept 7, 2016 0:39:24 GMT -5
There are many problems with the idea of robot people. The mind is something that is not yet fully comprehended. Maybe only God can reveal to us the secrets of the mind. Will the nerve system cooperate properly with this mechanism in your head? Would it be able to even move the human body. The big portion of your brain that people think is never used; what if it was a partial part and had some deeper meaning that no one, but God knew.
Sure, people can make robots. God made us smart like that. But God can create life. True life. Not the shell of a robot....
Even if one day robot humans walked this earth, God knows and has a plan. Fear is not needed.
Soon. Time, times and half a time. Time and time again, time will fade away...
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Dawnsky13
I hope someday I’ll be okay again...
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Post by Dawnsky13 on Sept 7, 2016 6:23:57 GMT -5
Yeah. I mean, I understand that I'll always be an introvert, and there is no problem with that, but I have to get over my fear of being judged by others. Thanks for the prayers!❤️ I'll pray for you too! I'm an introvert as well so I understand! btw love Loki Thanks! (Loki is my favorite💚)
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Post by Light on Sept 7, 2016 8:48:09 GMT -5
I'll pray for you too. ^^ I wasn't the most connected person at school either. I wasn't the best at socializing, partly because I was shy and partly because I had nothing to talk about. I feel like I can't formulate a proper answer in time when I speak. I would much prefer if someone asked me a question, and I could come back the next day with the answer written on paper. But alas, it's something I need to work with too.
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Post by Splintercat on Sept 7, 2016 9:15:38 GMT -5
7:30 pm EST is 5:30 pm CST, right? Sorry for my prolonged absence. I had a sprained ankle once. Playing badminton, I stepped on my foot wrong and heard an odd crunch. Though it hurt, I thought it was just one of those pains that goes away after a little while. So I continued playing, favouring the foot as I did. Then I forgot all about it. Went to drama after the day was done and I realized my foot was burning, showing bruising, and puffing up like a giant balloon. I don't remember if I iced it, but it felt restricted with the swelling, and much easier to step on wrong the next few days. I'll pray that yours get's better soon. ^^ Tada!! I guess I didn't have to tell you the whole story... -facepalm- I've prayed for the cat and several things on the list. May God bless you all. I have a Christian book series suggestion called 'Books of the Infinite'. (Book 1: Prophet) (Book 2: Judge) (Book 3: King) And I am currently reading a connected series (Book 1: Exhiles) I don't remember the exact wording of the series name. I'll have to check sometime. There are many other good Christian books I know, but it's too late for me to recall them all... ^^ Transhumanism... I agree. God designed us perfectly in his eyes, and if we change that, we're poisoning his work. He made us the way we are for a reason, and with change, some sort of balance might tip. Yep, that's right. I'll put the books up on the front page now!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 9:52:21 GMT -5
Thank you for the prayers Light!
I'm so bored here at school lol I just got out of class and I have a short break between classes blah
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Dawnsky13
I hope someday I’ll be okay again...
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Post by Dawnsky13 on Sept 7, 2016 13:06:30 GMT -5
I'll pray for you too. ^^ I wasn't the most connected person at school either. I wasn't the best at socializing, partly because I was shy and partly because I had nothing to talk about. I feel like I can't formulate a proper answer in time when I speak. I would much prefer if someone asked me a question, and I could come back the next day with the answer written on paper. But alas, it's something I need to work with too. Yeah. I'm just worried because I already have a class discussion coming up this week, and these types of things are a big part of my grade so I'm going to have to say something. But in the past, I've never really been able to get myself to talk.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Sept 7, 2016 13:34:15 GMT -5
hiii sorry I vanished over the past few days. We moved into an apartment this weekend, and with school just starting on top of it, I've been booked. Oh, and there's no wifi at the apartment yet. Hopefully in the next few days.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Sept 7, 2016 13:38:10 GMT -5
being paranoid helped me get over my social anxiety and shyness. Or really, it just made me less self-conscious.
If you have shyness problems, be paranoid. Pretend that someone is always watching you in everything you do. It's creepy sounding, but it really makes you get used to the feeling of having attention on yourself. Ever since, I've never been too nervous or even slightly afraid to speak out in class.
also, love the new title Tre.
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Post by Splintercat on Sept 7, 2016 17:38:14 GMT -5
being paranoid helped me get over my social anxiety and shyness. Or really, it just made me less self-conscious.
If you have shyness problems, be paranoid. Pretend that someone is always watching you in everything you do. It's creepy sounding, but it really makes you get used to the feeling of having attention on yourself. Ever since, I've never been too nervous or even slightly afraid to speak out in class.
also, love the new title Tre. Dank you vv much~
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Post by Light on Sept 7, 2016 18:13:16 GMT -5
Dawn: Ah. Group discussions aren't my specialty either. I'd say pray for peace and for the right words. Try not to worry too much about it. When it's time think of something related to the topic and at a pause, throw it out there. Remember that God is looking out for you. Nobody will blame you for taking part in the discussion, and if they do, it is most likely that they are teasing. ^^ Friendly teasing.
If it's just a matter of trying to find something to say and fitting it in, aim first for getting one point in. You can do this! I know you can. May God bless you with peace and confidence! ^^
I hope this is useful. Good luck! Shadow's idea is a good idea too. Everyone has a different approach on how to solve things. --- Tree: Thank you! XD
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 18:27:38 GMT -5
There are many problems with the idea of robot people. The mind is something that is not yet fully comprehended. Maybe only God can reveal to us the secrets of the mind. Will the nerve system cooperate properly with this mechanism in your head? Would it be able to even move the human body. The big portion of your brain that people think is never used; what if it was a partial part and had some deeper meaning that no one, but God knew. Sure, people can make robots. God made us smart like that. But God can create life. True life. Not the shell of a robot.... Even if one day robot humans walked this earth, God knows and has a plan. Fear is not needed. Soon. Time, times and half a time. Time and time again, time will fade away... For a topic like transhumanism, I think it's important to keep rational thought in mind as well. The general definition of transhumanism, which I took 5 seconds to look up on the all-knowing Google, says... "the belief or theory that the human race can evolve beyond its current physical and mental limitations, especially by means of science and technology." So I'm not sure if you're arguing against transhumanism, or into making people into "robots," which is nowhere close near happening to a 100% degree. As you said, the mind is far off from our complete understanding. I don't really know what else to say since your post talked solely about robot people, which is an extreme side of the argument that probably isn't relevant to anyone who is alive today.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 18:51:42 GMT -5
Just popping in to let ya'll know that I won't be here for the Bible study tomorrow, which grieves me, as I've been looking forward to it. I've just scheduled a photoshoot for my best friend and her boyfriend tomorrow evening, and I've been promising her for the past few months I'd do their photos. So, before I leave tomorrow, I'll post what notes I have so far on the chapter, and (I hope) someone can summarize the discussion for me.
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Post by Lightningdawn on Sept 7, 2016 18:51:44 GMT -5
Hello, guys!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 19:00:23 GMT -5
I won't be at the Bible study either, Thursdays are bad for me.
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Post by The Green Writer on Sept 7, 2016 19:03:06 GMT -5
Update on my dad.
He's doing better, but they haven't figured out what's going on with his swallowing. Things are going slowly and he's already getting pretty discouraged. So if y'all could pray for him to be encouraged and deal with things with grace. Thank you guys so much for your prayers
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Post by Lightningdawn on Sept 7, 2016 19:04:56 GMT -5
Guys, my family just got some bad news. My great aunt has a blocked artery. Can you guys pray for her?
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Post by The Green Writer on Sept 7, 2016 19:07:47 GMT -5
I'm praying Lightningdawn
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Post by Lightningdawn on Sept 7, 2016 19:09:24 GMT -5
Thank you, guys.
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Post by mymerlincat on Sept 7, 2016 19:18:52 GMT -5
OK, got a question that's pretty complicated but I really want an answer to it so hopefully someone can help me out here. This may offend some people, but it is not my intention at all and I greatly apologize to anyone that is.
My dad and I are both baptized and raised Catholics. He also works as the head CFO for a Catholic Church at a local abbey and has worked there for about 2 years now. He is marrying his girlfriend on 24th of this month. He was previously married to my mother along with other women, but he did not ever marry any of them through the Church. His girlfriend had been born and raised a Mormon in Denmark until 2014, when she felt that Mormonism was no longer for her and gave up her religion. She lived in Denmark for most of her life but moved to USA about 20 years ago. Until last winter she had been attending a Danish Lutheran Church about 13 miles away, but mostly for the Danish culture and not the Lutheran religion. When she and my dad first started dating about a year ago and my dad told her about the Catholic Church, she decided that she really wished to officially convert to Catholicism to join my dad and I. She started the process in December but stopped going because we bought a new house and needed time to work on moving out and and making renovations to the new house. My dad also told me when he proposed to her that they both wanted to get married in the Catholic church.
Last week, my dad told me that they were going to be getting married in the Danish Lutheran Church instead. I was pretty hurt by this news as the Catholic church means a great deal to me and I was shocked that he would want to get married anywhere else, but I figured it was just him trying to cater to his soon-to-be wife's culture. Recently, he has been saying very negative things about the Catholic church, and his coworkers at the abbey. He told me he is going to only go to the Lutheran church for service and suggests that I do the same. He also wants me to get baptized through it, and I am opposed to both proposals as the Catholic church is the only place I feel comfortable and I don't like the idea of giving it up for a religion and community that I am not familiar with. He also tells me one of his issues with the Catholic church is that in order to be married to his fiancé, the Catholic church would have to annul his marriage with my mother. I didn't even think that was a real thing, especially because as I said above he did not marry my mother through the church as she is more of a spiritual/agnostic person.
Am I wrong for feeling the way I do? I'm very conflicted here. Is he right about the church having to annul his marriage with my mother? Any insight would be greatly appreciated and I hope I did not offend any Lutherans that might have read that in any way. Thank you.
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Post by Lightningdawn on Sept 7, 2016 19:32:10 GMT -5
mymerlincat - I don't think there's anything wrong with feeling that way. You have your belief, and I think you should stick to it if that's what you believe God wants for you. I'm afraid I don't know too much about the Catholic Church or Lutheran (I'm RLDS), but that's what I think.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 19:33:03 GMT -5
Hey, mymerlincat. I'm not exactly familiar with all the Catholic traditions, as I wasn't raised Catholic - maybe Saint Ambrosef can help with this. While I don't consider myself Lutheran (I don't identify with any denomination), I have a lot of Lutheran friends and respect their position a lot. From what I can tell, there aren't too many differences between Lutheran and Catholic doctrine - the only notable difference coming to mind is their views on the papacy. Nonetheless, I understand your feelings and I'm sorry it's bothering you. Maybe sit down with your father and have a heart-to-heart conversation about it.
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Post by The Green Writer on Sept 7, 2016 19:40:46 GMT -5
I personally have been raised in a Baptist church, affiliated with Methodists, Lutherans, and Catholics (I have a really close friend who's Catholic) but I personally believe that the Bible is truth, and in the Bible it says to honor our parents. I cant claim to know or understand your relationship with your father but I would speak with him and pray for patience and grace in this matter.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 19:42:09 GMT -5
Hello Christian Memers, I'm dropping into say greetings and I have no idea what is going on here.
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Post by Splintercat on Sept 7, 2016 20:56:37 GMT -5
Hello Christian Memers, I'm dropping into say greetings and I have no idea what is going on here. Hello greetings my fellow memer
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Post by Splintercat on Sept 7, 2016 20:59:55 GMT -5
OK, got a question that's pretty complicated but I really want an answer to it so hopefully someone can help me out here. This may offend some people, but it is not my intention at all and I greatly apologize to anyone that is. My dad and I are both baptized and raised Catholics. He also works as the head CFO for a Catholic Church at a local abbey and has worked there for about 2 years now. He is marrying his girlfriend on 24th of this month. He was previously married to my mother along with other women, but he did not ever marry any of them through the Church. His girlfriend had been born and raised a Mormon in Denmark until 2014, when she felt that Mormonism was no longer for her and gave up her religion. She lived in Denmark for most of her life but moved to USA about 20 years ago. Until last winter she had been attending a Danish Lutheran Church about 13 miles away, but mostly for the Danish culture and not the Lutheran religion. When she and my dad first started dating about a year ago and my dad told her about the Catholic Church, she decided that she really wished to officially convert to Catholicism to join my dad and I. She started the process in December but stopped going because we bought a new house and needed time to work on moving out and and making renovations to the new house. My dad also told me when he proposed to her that they both wanted to get married in the Catholic church. Last week, my dad told me that they were going to be getting married in the Danish Lutheran Church instead. I was pretty hurt by this news as the Catholic church means a great deal to me and I was shocked that he would want to get married anywhere else, but I figured it was just him trying to cater to his soon-to-be wife's culture. Recently, he has been saying very negative things about the Catholic church, and his coworkers at the abbey. He told me he is going to only go to the Lutheran church for service and suggests that I do the same. He also wants me to get baptized through it, and I am opposed to both proposals as the Catholic church is the only place I feel comfortable and I don't like the idea of giving it up for a religion and community that I am not familiar with. He also tells me one of his issues with the Catholic church is that in order to be married to his fiancé, the Catholic church would have to annul his marriage with my mother. I didn't even think that was a real thing, especially because as I said above he did not marry my mother through the church as she is more of a spiritual/agnostic person. Am I wrong for feeling the way I do? I'm very conflicted here. Is he right about the church having to annul his marriage with my mother? Any insight would be greatly appreciated and I hope I did not offend any Lutherans that might have read that in any way. Thank you. Sorry I'm late. The others pretty much hit it on the nose. I think you should have a calm, sincere chat with him and discuss the issue. I can't offer much more advice than that, as I don't know a whole lot about Catholic doctrine- as @jester said, Saint Ambrosef can probably help you with that. I'll be praying for you though!
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