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Ferncloud Deserves Better
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Post by Pandean on Nov 14, 2017 2:50:07 GMT -5
Am I the only one who can't see Ivyblossom for the life of me? Blossomfall treated Ivypool terribly and Ivypool was annoyed by Blossomfall. And oh yes those mated she-cats who totally became doormats like Goldenflower who stood up to Fireheart when he discriminated against her kids or Squirrelflight who fought tooth and nail in every battle or Leafpool who radiated quiet dignity or Brightheart who didn't let her scars get in the way of being a great warrior or Sandstorm who was a fierce cat with a sharp tongue or Bluestar who became leader and died for her clan or Feathertail who died so she could save her love and her journeymates or Tawnypelt who literally fought for her mates honor..... they're all such doormats! It's rather amusing, because they complain about wanting her to be single but then quickly turn around and say she should have been with Blossomfall instead, I mean?? And don't worry, you're not the only one. After gong back and re-reading the books, I'm on the fence about it now, and realizing it's just not as great as tumblr let it on to be. Obviously gay relationships aren't real relationships, they're just for the fans to fetishize over.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 14, 2017 3:07:13 GMT -5
It's rather amusing, because they complain about wanting her to be single but then quickly turn around and say she should have been with Blossomfall instead, I mean?? And don't worry, you're not the only one. After gong back and re-reading the books, I'm on the fence about it now, and realizing it's just not as great as tumblr let it on to be. Obviously gay relationships aren't real relationships, they're just for the fans to fetishize over. I honestly hate when fans do that. It leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 14, 2017 3:09:00 GMT -5
Actually you forgot Stone Song. And personally I didn't mind Fox x Ivy, even though he was her uncle and whatnot. Thanks, although I was mostly focusing on the Clan cats anyway (Fern Leaf was part of WindClan's early days, so I'm counting her). I didn't mind it either, although it probably would've seemed more random than Ivy x Fern. I'm still annoyed that the reason Fox x Rose was scrapped was because Foxleap was her uncle, even that's exactly what he is to Dovewing and Ivypool. I literally have no problem with Fox x Ivy, Dove or Rose, they were all actually okay ideas concept wise. Foxleap himself was also a very good character, going places, but at last, like his sister, he was killed off just like that.
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Ferncloud Deserves Better
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Post by Pandean on Nov 14, 2017 3:17:39 GMT -5
Obviously gay relationships aren't real relationships, they're just for the fans to fetishize over. I honestly hate when fans do that. It leaves a sour taste in my mouth. It's so gross. Like stop fetishizing my sexuality. It's not yours to fawn over.
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Post by Basement Cat on Nov 14, 2017 4:45:29 GMT -5
Am I the only one who can't see Ivyblossom for the life of me? Blossomfall treated Ivypool terribly and Ivypool was annoyed by Blossomfall. And oh yes those mated she-cats who totally became doormats like Goldenflower who stood up to Fireheart when he discriminated against her kids or Squirrelflight who fought tooth and nail in every battle or Leafpool who radiated quiet dignity or Brightheart who didn't let her scars get in the way of being a great warrior or Sandstorm who was a fierce cat with a sharp tongue or Bluestar who became leader and died for her clan or Feathertail who died so she could save her love and her journeymates or Tawnypelt who literally fought for her mates honor..... they're all such doormats! It's rather amusing, because they complain about wanting her to be single but then quickly turn around and say she should have been with Blossomfall instead, I mean?? And don't worry, you're not the only one. After gong back and re-reading the books, I'm on the fence about it now, and realizing it's just not as great as tumblr let it on to be. So you're going to assume people who disagree with you all think this? And then cherry pick the most vague possibility of evidence to make a point that has no grounding in reality and completely ignore what people have been stating in favor of your own version of events? That isn't just a strawman argument - it's sheer illogical fallacy in its entirety. It's almost as if you're looking for a group to pin blame on to prove a point.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 5:26:33 GMT -5
It's cool. I don't mind it, and look forward to see how it all plays out. I wish we could see more of fernsong away from ivypool cause at this point the only reason he exists is to be ivys mate and it would be neat to see him get fleshed out a bit. But then again this is warriors and asking for any sort of character development is asking too much
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 14, 2017 6:57:34 GMT -5
It's cool. I don't mind it, and look forward to see how it all plays out. I wish we could see more of fernsong away from ivypool cause at this point the only reason he exists is to be ivys mate and it would be neat to see him get fleshed out a bit. But then again this is warriors and asking for any sort of character development is asking too much Anyways, I do agree a bit with this, we have seen him away from her, but he's usually either on patrol or worrying about the younger cats in the clan and their well being. Which is nice. I kinda want to see him and Blossomfall form a good friendship while he's in the nursery too.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 10:10:55 GMT -5
Ah, I forgot the one incident where a Klance shipper reported one of their friends to their school principal, because they shipped Sheith, accusing them of being a ****phile, to which the school board took seriously... The crazy irony about all this is that the pairing Sheith, Shiro and Keith, is between two adults, one being 18, just turned 19 actually, the other is 25, his birthday is ironically on a February 29th too, lol. I don't understand the fandom's logic of claiming a pairing between two consenting adults is ****philia... Now that's crazy. I don't know what that Klance or Sheith shipping is or whatever, but that student sounds like they're really crazy. What a world we live in...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 10:20:57 GMT -5
I don't believe I was here when the Su thing went down. What exactly happened? Okay so basically this is from what I rmemebr, so someone correct me if I'm wrong. Lets start where where the Erins stand in authority. As of right now, Cherith has the highest authority among the Erins, since she's the oldest apparently, and usually does the biggest shot calls in the series with the editors. They don't exactly communicate face to face either apparently, so I guess that's probably a reason why. Su is a dear friend of Cherith, one of her personal editors, and is known as a super fan, because she knows things about the series that even the Erins seem to forget or never actually memorize. There was a bit of a debate on whether what she said and stated was canon or not, especially after Cherith pretty much confirmed who she is, and how she's one of her helpers for the series. Kate and Vicky, especially Vicky mind you, were gung ho about her helping out with a lot of plot holes concerning missing kits, and family trees in the series. Vicky even made a full on address about her support for Su's hard work, saying her word was openly canon in for the series. Su would answer fan questions in Cherith's place for her whenever she's too busy, she also worked side by side with the admins of the Warrior Wiki to help them with information. Fast forward a couple of months, yes months, and by now the fandom was pretty split. You had people that actually liked all the work Su has been doing. But then you have the side that hated all the decisions she was making, like with family trees, kit names, and pelt descriptions. Every error in the books were practically blamed on Su, by the fandom sadly. Then you have Spottedleaf's Heart. When that dropped, it only took a few hours for the warriors tumblr fandom to go crazy. Fans began to angrily attack Vicky and Su, over it. Vicky because she wrote the novella, and Su just because she's an editor. About a few days later, after the backlash Su got her facebook account banned because so many militant fans reported her wrongfully. She got it back eventually but I think she did in fact delete it again due to all the hate she was getting. On the other hand Vicky announced her retirement. She came out and admitted that the whole point and undertone of SH was to show why Thistleclaw was in the Dark Forest, and to show dark themes of ****philia in the story. Yes. She literally admitted that that was the point she was trying to get across, but imo I think she only said that to save her own hide. Oh but it gets worse, at the end of her statement she pretty much throws Su under the bus, and says that anything stated outside of the series is NOT canon, including Su's months of work, and her massive Missing Kit's list. She goes on and disregards her work as that of a fan, despite hypocritically full on supporting her efforts months ago. Of course this only added fuel to the fire, because Su pretty much left the team after that as well, because there was a lot of implications of a fall out between her and Vicky. In the end the fandom lost it, and the Wiki admins had to undo MONTHS of work on the site. Holy wow, Vicky did that? I can't believe I wished her good luck in retirement.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 10:23:50 GMT -5
I just went on Kate's blog and look what I found: Am I the only one who can't see Ivyblossom for the life of me? Blossomfall treated Ivypool terribly and Ivypool was annoyed by Blossomfall. And oh yes those mated she-cats who totally became doormats like Goldenflower who stood up to Fireheart when he discriminated against her kids or Squirrelflight who fought tooth and nail in every battle or Leafpool who radiated quiet dignity or Brightheart who didn't let her scars get in the way of being a great warrior or Sandstorm who was a fierce cat with a sharp tongue or Bluestar who became leader and died for her clan or Feathertail who died so she could save her love and her journeymates or Tawnypelt who literally fought for her mates honor..... they're all such doormats! I don't get it. Blossomfall and Ivypool only bonded ONCE, when she felt unloved by Millie and Ivypool understood her because of her issues with Dovewing. But they haven't bonded since??? Blossomfall has always been mean to Ivypool, bullying her and comparing her to Dovewing without thinking about her own feelings. She's hurt her a lot and she didn't even apologize to her. I never understood Blossom x Ivy and never will. It's just a shame they never really made amends. But people can ship what they want, I'm not against it, I just don't understand it.
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Post by Mistybreeze on Nov 14, 2017 11:48:26 GMT -5
Let's not forget that Vicky's hatred for happy relationships is the reason why all the main relationships in this series were nothing but drama. And the happy background romances suffered tremendously. It was no coincidence that DustxFern and BrackenxSorrel lost so many kits. Vicky probably wanted to end both early but wasn't allowed to so she took it out on their kits. That's also why Kate had to W.A.S. with FernxIvy. She knew Vicky would want drama and wouldn't let them live in peace.
Vicky's bias has ruined so much in this series. She needed to go a long time ago.
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Post by Moonblazer on Nov 14, 2017 12:36:56 GMT -5
Am I the only one who can't see Ivyblossom for the life of me? Blossomfall treated Ivypool terribly and Ivypool was annoyed by Blossomfall. And oh yes those mated she-cats who totally became doormats like Goldenflower who stood up to Fireheart when he discriminated against her kids or Squirrelflight who fought tooth and nail in every battle or Leafpool who radiated quiet dignity or Brightheart who didn't let her scars get in the way of being a great warrior or Sandstorm who was a fierce cat with a sharp tongue or Bluestar who became leader and died for her clan or Feathertail who died so she could save her love and her journeymates or Tawnypelt who literally fought for her mates honor..... they're all such doormats! I don't get it. Blossomfall and Ivypool only bonded ONCE, when she felt unloved by Millie and Ivypool understood her because of her issues with Dovewing. But they haven't bonded since??? Blossomfall has always been mean to Ivypool, bullying her and comparing her to Dovewing without thinking about her own feelings. She's hurt her a lot and she didn't even apologize to her. I never understood Blossom x Ivy and never will. It's just a shame they never really made amends. But people can ship what they want, I'm not against it, I just don't understand it. Preach to me please, this is exactly my thoughts.
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Post by mimikyutie on Nov 14, 2017 13:31:33 GMT -5
I find the parallels between Fernsong and Ferncloud both adorable and hilarious. People say that Ivypool doesn't need a mate, but I personally don't see it as something that makes her stronger or weaker. She's happy with Fernsong and that's what matters. Also, they're hella cute.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 14, 2017 13:34:28 GMT -5
Let's not forget that Vicky's hatred for happy relationships is the reason why all the main relationships in this series were nothing but drama. And the happy background romances suffered tremendously. It was no coincidence that DustxFern and BrackenxSorrel lost so many kits. Vicky probably wanted to end both early but wasn't allowed to so she took it out on their kits. That's also why Kate had to W.A.S. with FernxIvy. She knew Vicky would want drama and wouldn't let them live in peace. Vicky's bias has ruined so much in this series. She needed to go a long time ago. Thank goodness we don't have to worry about Vicky getting her hands one FernIvy then, jeez.
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Ferncloud Deserves Better
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Post by Pandean on Nov 14, 2017 16:22:46 GMT -5
Am I the only one who can't see Ivyblossom for the life of me? Blossomfall treated Ivypool terribly and Ivypool was annoyed by Blossomfall. And oh yes those mated she-cats who totally became doormats like Goldenflower who stood up to Fireheart when he discriminated against her kids or Squirrelflight who fought tooth and nail in every battle or Leafpool who radiated quiet dignity or Brightheart who didn't let her scars get in the way of being a great warrior or Sandstorm who was a fierce cat with a sharp tongue or Bluestar who became leader and died for her clan or Feathertail who died so she could save her love and her journeymates or Tawnypelt who literally fought for her mates honor..... they're all such doormats! I don't get it. Blossomfall and Ivypool only bonded ONCE, when she felt unloved by Millie and Ivypool understood her because of her issues with Dovewing. But they haven't bonded since??? Blossomfall has always been mean to Ivypool, bullying her and comparing her to Dovewing without thinking about her own feelings. She's hurt her a lot and she didn't even apologize to her. I never understood Blossom x Ivy and never will. It's just a shame they never really made amends. But people can ship what they want, I'm not against it, I just don't understand it. Like yeah?????? I don't see how they ever would be a ship because Blossomfall is such a jerk to her
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Ferncloud Deserves Better
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Post by Pandean on Nov 14, 2017 16:23:09 GMT -5
Let's not forget that Vicky's hatred for happy relationships is the reason why all the main relationships in this series were nothing but drama. And the happy background romances suffered tremendously. It was no coincidence that DustxFern and BrackenxSorrel lost so many kits. Vicky probably wanted to end both early but wasn't allowed to so she took it out on their kits. That's also why Kate had to W.A.S. with FernxIvy. She knew Vicky would want drama and wouldn't let them live in peace. Vicky's bias has ruined so much in this series. She needed to go a long time ago. Glad she's gone then. We don't need that. Just leave the happiness alone.
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Post by mimikyutie on Nov 14, 2017 16:28:13 GMT -5
Let's not forget that Vicky's hatred for happy relationships is the reason why all the main relationships in this series were nothing but drama. And the happy background romances suffered tremendously. It was no coincidence that DustxFern and BrackenxSorrel lost so many kits. Vicky probably wanted to end both early but wasn't allowed to so she took it out on their kits. That's also why Kate had to W.A.S. with FernxIvy. She knew Vicky would want drama and wouldn't let them live in peace. Vicky's bias has ruined so much in this series. She needed to go a long time ago. Glad she's gone then. We don't need that. Just leave the happiness alone. tbh I can't actually think of any good decisions she's made
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 14, 2017 16:29:49 GMT -5
Let's not forget that Vicky's hatred for happy relationships is the reason why all the main relationships in this series were nothing but drama. And the happy background romances suffered tremendously. It was no coincidence that DustxFern and BrackenxSorrel lost so many kits. Vicky probably wanted to end both early but wasn't allowed to so she took it out on their kits. That's also why Kate had to W.A.S. with FernxIvy. She knew Vicky would want drama and wouldn't let them live in peace. Vicky's bias has ruined so much in this series. She needed to go a long time ago. Glad she's gone then. We don't need that. Just leave the happiness alone. To be fair though, Vicky wasn't going to get involved even if she stayed anyway. The last time she worked on any main series books was with The Sun Trail, which was back in 2013, and the last SE she helped with was Bramblestar's Storm in 2014. Since then, Vicky only worked on the novellas, and I'm not surprised that she eventually left. I was actually expecting it, since her hold on the series seemed to be slowly diminishing.
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Ferncloud Deserves Better
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Post by Pandean on Nov 14, 2017 19:13:31 GMT -5
Glad she's gone then. We don't need that. Just leave the happiness alone. To be fair though, Vicky wasn't going to get involved even if she stayed anyway. The last time she worked on any main series books was with The Sun Trail, which was back in 2013, and the last SE she helped with was Bramblestar's Storm in 2014. Since then, Vicky only worked on the novellas, and I'm not surprised that she eventually left. I was actually expecting it, since her hold on the series seemed to be slowly diminishing. Ah, I see. Well, all the same, she's better gone if she's going to act that way to people who are helping her.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 19:25:42 GMT -5
To be fair though, Vicky wasn't going to get involved even if she stayed anyway. The last time she worked on any main series books was with The Sun Trail, which was back in 2013, and the last SE she helped with was Bramblestar's Storm in 2014. Since then, Vicky only worked on the novellas, and I'm not surprised that she eventually left. I was actually expecting it, since her hold on the series seemed to be slowly diminishing. Ah, I see. Well, all the same, she's better gone if she's going to act that way to people who are helping her. Let's also not forget she was a grown ass woman who knew what she was doing. She let her fan down just to save her own hide. It is disgusting.
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Ferncloud Deserves Better
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Post by Pandean on Nov 14, 2017 19:32:44 GMT -5
Ah, I see. Well, all the same, she's better gone if she's going to act that way to people who are helping her. Let's also not forget she was a grown *** woman who knew what she was doing. She let her fan down just to save her own hide. It is disgusting. Yeah, it's really disgusting and gross and she should know better than to treat someone like that. In general, she seems to have some very gross opinions and behaviors. As I said before, I doubt that she knew SpottedThistle was ****philic and gross and just meant it as a way to show how Thistleclaw was ruthless and in the Dark Forest and to continue the tragedy of Spottedleaf's love life. Then people reacted negatively and she back pedaled super fast and threw Su under the bus for good measure. We don't need that in this fandom.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 14, 2017 20:41:13 GMT -5
Let's also not forget she was a grown *** woman who knew what she was doing. She let her fan down just to save her own hide. It is disgusting. Yeah, it's really disgusting and gross and she should know better than to treat someone like that. In general, she seems to have some very gross opinions and behaviors. As I said before, I doubt that she knew SpottedThistle was ****philic and gross and just meant it as a way to show how Thistleclaw was ruthless and in the Dark Forest and to continue the tragedy of Spottedleaf's love life. Then people reacted negatively and she back pedaled super fast and threw Su under the bus for good measure. We don't need that in this fandom. Honestly good riddance. I personally prefer to leave romance tropes to Kate and Cherith over Vicky any day.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 20:50:29 GMT -5
Yeah, it's really disgusting and gross and she should know better than to treat someone like that. In general, she seems to have some very gross opinions and behaviors. As I said before, I doubt that she knew SpottedThistle was ****philic and gross and just meant it as a way to show how Thistleclaw was ruthless and in the Dark Forest and to continue the tragedy of Spottedleaf's love life. Then people reacted negatively and she back pedaled super fast and threw Su under the bus for good measure. We don't need that in this fandom. Honestly good riddance. I personally prefer to leave romance tropes to Kate and Cherith over Vicky any day. Now let's just wait and see how the romance goes for Crowfeather's Trial.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 14, 2017 21:03:40 GMT -5
Honestly good riddance. I personally prefer to leave romance tropes to Kate and Cherith over Vicky any day. Now let's just wait and see how the romance goes for Crowfeather's Trial. Thanks for reminding me of that future disaster to come.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 21:35:23 GMT -5
Now let's just wait and see how the romance goes for Crowfeather's Trial. Thanks for reminding me of that future disaster to come.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 21:36:53 GMT -5
"Fernsong x Ivypool opinions" *yells at Vicky for all of page 4*
Tbh though yes, Vicky was terrible
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 14, 2017 21:48:51 GMT -5
"Fernsong x Ivypool opinions" *yells at Vicky for all of page 4* Tbh though yes, Vicky was terrible Lol, yes we did get a bit carried away.
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Post by Lady of the Emblem on Nov 15, 2017 14:05:44 GMT -5
I don't feel anything for the pairing, but sometimes I am so-o glad that I don't care about any of the arcs beyond PoT because I'd be up to my ears in complaints about the series and how bad it's gotten right now. me too...I should have stopped reading as soon as i found out the dumb reason for why hollyleaf wasn't the third cat...."Can't come up with a fitting power for hollyleaf's character." what a lame excuse. now because of it, they ruined the power of three's plot then omen of the stars happened which was a HUGE mess on its own. then everything bad snowballed from there. thats why i stopped reading after OotS. anything after that garbage mess would just be continued from garbage anyways so whats the point of me reading AVoS.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 15, 2017 22:13:00 GMT -5
Ah, I forgot the one incident where a Klance shipper reported one of their friends to their school principal, because they shipped Sheith, accusing them of being a ****phile, to which the school board took seriously... The crazy irony about all this is that the pairing Sheith, Shiro and Keith, is between two adults, one being 18, just turned 19 actually, the other is 25, his birthday is ironically on a February 29th too, lol. I don't understand the fandom's logic of claiming a pairing between two consenting adults is ****philia... Now that's crazy. I don't know what that Klance or Sheith shipping is or whatever, but that student sounds like they're really crazy. What a world we live in... So like update, fans are now making and signing a petition to "Put Bex down". Bex is Pidge's Voice Actor in the show, and she supports Pidge x Lance, so Klance fans hate this and now they're threatening to kill her. Wow. See children, this is exactly why we should avoid certain fandoms lol. It's times like this that I'm glad that the warriors series isn't THAT popular honestly.
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All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 15, 2017 22:51:33 GMT -5
Now that's crazy. I don't know what that Klance or Sheith shipping is or whatever, but that student sounds like they're really crazy. What a world we live in... So like update, fans are now making and signing a petition to "Put Bex down". Bex is Pidge's Voice Actor in the show, and she supports Pidge x Lance, so Klance fans hate this and now they're threatening to kill her. Wow. See children, this is exactly why we should avoid certain fandoms lol. It's times like this that I'm glad that the warriors series isn't THAT popular honestly. WTH? It's times like these where I'm ashamed of humanity. At the end of the day, it's just a show. I still haven't seen it, but I'm pretty sure shipping isn't way the show is about. And I thought the SU fandom was bad.
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