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Post by 𝕡𝕖𝕡𝕡𝕖𝕣𝕞𝕚𝕟𝕥 on Apr 14, 2017 20:32:13 GMT -5
In MFV, it's explained that the whole rule about medicine cats being unable to take mates originated from Moth Flight's struggle to balance her work with her family. She had little choice but to give up her kits by the end of the novel.
Due to this, she (and StarClan) created a rule that medicine cats could not have kits due to the distraction they could potentially cause in life or death scenarios. To prevent any "accidents", they couldn't take a mate.
What if a medicine cat fell in love with another cat of their own sex? They wouldn't be able to have kits, so they wouldn't need to worry about accidental pregnancies.
I know by the modern era it's less about the inconvenience of kits and mates and more about the honor of the medicine cat, so whether they'd accept such a thing is debatable at best.
Do you think the Clans would be more lenient toward same sex relationships involving medicine cats?
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Post by lazy penguin on Apr 14, 2017 20:37:15 GMT -5
I don't know. I mean the whole thing with not having a family is so that you don't hold anyone higher than your clanmates. Having a mate could easily make a medicine cat prioritize them, any can harm the clan as a whole. Like if a medicine cat's mate and an elder where sick with greencough the medicine cat would (most likely) pay more attention to their mate rather than the elder who needed it.
However I do think it's better than having a mate of the opposite gender and having a family.
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Apr 14, 2017 21:00:38 GMT -5
I still don't think they'd allow it. Even if HC was cool with same-sex couples, it still wouldn't be fair to the medicine cats who aren't Gay/Lesbian/Bi. So I honestly don't think they'd be fine with it, even if they can't produce kits.
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Post by tiger beetle on Apr 14, 2017 21:01:54 GMT -5
I believe that it would still not be allowed but would probably be easier to get away with because (I think) most of the cats who've been caught in forbidden relationships have been caught because of kits (Mapleshade got caught, Firestar figured out Bluestar was Misty/Stone's mom, arguably Leafpool ran off to have kits, I think Sagewhisker noticed Yellowfang's pregnancy?, GrayxSilver was revealed to cats other than Fire/Misty by Silverstream kitting, etc.)
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Apr 14, 2017 23:02:19 GMT -5
Loophole, haha.
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Post by Owlmoon on Apr 15, 2017 6:37:19 GMT -5
It wouldn't be allowed.
Also, warrior cat books only have straight cats.
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Post by tiger beetle on Apr 15, 2017 7:21:51 GMT -5
It wouldn't be allowed. Also, warrior cat books only have straight cats. haven't the Erins confirmed that RavenxBarley was intentional subtext (HC wouldn't let them make it in-text canon, but didn't one of them say it was real) and express that they liked TallxJake? even if I'm wrong about that, the fact that no characters are confirmed not to be straight doesn't mean that every cat that we don't see would be straight if we could read their stories (because we will never meet every cat)--this is wondering about a situation that could possibly arise, not "is JayxKestrel real!?" (not that you're saying that it is, but that would be directly contradicting canon, while "are there gay cats we haven't seen" is not)
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Post by tord on Apr 15, 2017 9:50:58 GMT -5
It wouldn't be allowed. Also, warrior cat books only have straight cats. You're forgetting all the cats confirmed LGBT+ by word of god including raven/barley and tall/jake,
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Post by Owlmoon on Apr 15, 2017 11:01:20 GMT -5
Okay, you guys made a point, but I mean within the Clans where they stay together.
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Post by Moonblazer on Apr 15, 2017 12:44:58 GMT -5
Not gonna lie, I'm a pretty big fan of LeafpoolXMothwing...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 13:07:43 GMT -5
Not gonna lie, I'm a pretty big fan of LeafpoolXMothwing... Yeah, I like that ship too. It would work well.
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Post by Random on Apr 15, 2017 13:32:54 GMT -5
The cats are primitive and when you give them the intelligence and vocal cords of a human. I am guessing that cats would see homo weird or wrong, or a choice, this would definitely mean that a medicine cat could not have a same-sex relationship. But from what I have seen there has been no cat in the novels to be gay. Though if you need more evidence look through thousands of years of human history and see how "gays" where treated.
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Post by Snowfire on Apr 15, 2017 14:42:54 GMT -5
I don't think it would make a difference in the rule. If a medicine cat had a mate---no kits, but a mate--- they might still have priorities for their mate. Let's say two warriors are climbing a tree for whatever reason. One of them is the medicine cat's mate. They both fall, but the medicine cat obviously saves his or her mate out of desperation, losing the other cat.
It can still cause problems, even without kits. A medicine cat mustn't value a certain cat over their other Clanmates; they must be fair. That can be harder if a medicine cat falls in love with anyone.
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Post by Sablemoon on Apr 15, 2017 17:21:13 GMT -5
I wish. HC obviously won't let them say outright, but I fully believe RavenxBarley and TalltailxJake are subtextually canon. Idk what that even means xD. Stupid homophobe publishers B(
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Post by Random on Apr 15, 2017 17:48:47 GMT -5
Pfft all company's have to be liberal and any sign of homo phobic-ness will cause them to go bankrupt. Remember when gay marige became legal in America and every single company was being positive about it. Long story short Harper Collins could not be homo phobic even I they wanted to. Also why is my first comment about gay cats.
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Post by tiger beetle on Apr 15, 2017 18:13:16 GMT -5
Pfft all company's have to be liberal and any sign of homo phobic-ness will cause them to go bankrupt. Remember when gay marige became legal in America and every single company was being positive about it. Long story short Harper Collins could not be homo phobic even I they wanted to. Also why is my first comment about gay cats. HC believes that a homosexual relationship would be inherently inappropriate for children. That is homophobic. It is true that many companies expressed happiness after the legalization of same sex marriage, but that was mainly for publicity reasons. In this case HC has shut down the idea of having a gay cat (although they can't stop the Erins from having their own "opinions" about their own characters) because they want to prevent that from being in the books.
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Post by Random on Apr 15, 2017 18:52:26 GMT -5
I did not mean for anybody to think I was defending HC I was just poking fun at the pressure company's face with fragile topics.
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Post by tiger beetle on Apr 15, 2017 19:08:10 GMT -5
I did not mean for anybody to think I was defending HC I was just poking fun at the pressure company's face with fragile topics. I apologize if I came across as aggressive.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Apr 15, 2017 19:20:30 GMT -5
I prefer Leopard x Moth tbh.
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Post by Random on Apr 15, 2017 22:07:55 GMT -5
Na it would obviously be Doveflight x ivypool (I'm joking but if incest was not disgusting, who knows.) at least thats what fanficton.com says.
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Post by Solarmyr on Apr 15, 2017 22:27:10 GMT -5
I imagine the clans would probably be more lenient about it, but being with said mate itself is still a relationship that could lead to a bit of a bias when it comes to treating cats. Though you could make the argument that a similar bias could also apply to medicine cats treating already existing family members, like their siblings or parents. So who knows, really.
It's an interesting loophole. It'd be cool to see that brought up and discussed in the books, even if that's really unlikely to happen what with HC being the way that they are.
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Post by Random on Apr 15, 2017 22:36:43 GMT -5
Republicans...
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Apr 16, 2017 2:21:44 GMT -5
Honestly, it'd be unfair to heterosexual cats. Before I'm flamed with this, we all desire equality and while it makes sense for them to be allowed, it would not be fair to heterosexual cats and would then technically require homosexual cats to be in the medicine cat position due to their inability to reproduce with cats of the same gender.
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Post by Random on Apr 16, 2017 2:37:01 GMT -5
Look at our history and look how often things where fair. If you where "gay" in the 17 hundreds you would be treated like you where a demon. You can't assume that the cats are born forward thinkers. If HC was not so conservative maybe the Erin Hunter could delve deeper into this but that's not happening any time soon.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Apr 16, 2017 3:27:21 GMT -5
Look at our history and look how often things where fair. If you where "gay" in the 17 hundreds you would be treated like you where a demon. You can't assume that the cats are born forward thinkers. If HC was not so conservative maybe the Erin Hunter could delve deeper into this but that's not happening any time soon. Yet she-cats are able to take high ranks. If the cats were that conservative then we'd get a story about the first female leader or deputy. Instead, two out of the five founders were female.
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Post by Solarmyr on Apr 16, 2017 3:33:39 GMT -5
Look at our history and look how often things where fair. If you where "gay" in the 17 hundreds you would be treated like you where a demon. You can't assume that the cats are born forward thinkers. If HC was not so conservative maybe the Erin Hunter could delve deeper into this but that's not happening any time soon. Yet she-cats are able to take high ranks. If the cats were that conservative then we'd get a story about the first female leader or deputy. Instead, two out of the five founders were female. Most likely because if that weren't the case, you can bet that at least somebody would complain to HC about it.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Apr 16, 2017 3:41:26 GMT -5
Yet she-cats are able to take high ranks. If the cats were that conservative then we'd get a story about the first female leader or deputy. Instead, two out of the five founders were female. Most likely because if that weren't the case, you can bet that at least somebody would complain to HC about it. People are complaining about the lack of sexual diversity and so the Erins are sneaking it in.
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Post by Solarmyr on Apr 16, 2017 3:46:10 GMT -5
Most likely because if that weren't the case, you can bet that at least somebody would complain to HC about it. People are complaining about the lack of sexual diversity and so the Erins are sneaking it in. If by "sneaking it in" you mean the Erins being asked about it by a handful of people then just kind of randomly picking certain pre-established cats out to put the LGBT+ label on to appease the small number of fans asking for it, then yes. They are sneaking it in.
As far as I can tell, not many people have directly went to HC about it. But I'm probably not the best person to make that call.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Apr 16, 2017 11:50:49 GMT -5
Eh, I can maybe see that about TallxJake. However, I always felt that Ravenpaw was gay when I originally read the series. I'm probably not the only one and he and Barley make sense to be a gay couple.
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Post by Random on Apr 16, 2017 11:53:16 GMT -5
Raven did act kind of gay I read the original series 5 years ago but I remember it pretty clearly.
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