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Sol
Feb 19, 2017 7:25:20 GMT -5
Post by Tas on Feb 19, 2017 7:25:20 GMT -5
You know, now I wonder, did Sol really not believe in the possible existence of StarClan or did he simply not think them important? I mean, a badger (who is apparently a ghost which I still find odd) tells him everything about these Clans and then he decides to go wreck their faith in StarClan. Meaning he actually believes everything Midnight told him. Or had Midnight edged him on a bit, seeing how she wanted to test the Clans' faith in StarClan? I can understand Blackstar lost faith in StarClan really. They didn't always seem too concerned with ShadowClan. If they'd just given him or Littlecloud a sign earlier things wouldn't have gotten so out of hand. After all, Blackstar didn't stop believing in StarClan, he thought they simply didn't care about him and his Clan. Which, considering his age and all he and ShadowClan have been through, isn't so strange a thought to have. Sol knew full well about the clans before he met Midnight, as he had been in new SkyClan for an extent before he was kicked out for kidnapping Leafstar's kits. It is explained that he was never really good in a Clan, unable to work with others and follow orders, which led to the rest of SkyClan being hard on him ... which led to hatred of all Clans.
After being kicked out of SkyClan, Sol went to the Forest to cast his hatred upon the other Clans. He there found Ravenpaw and Barley, who explained that the Clans had gone on a journey to find a new place to live. So off Sol went.
He finds Midnight and, being the scheming benevolent ghost badger that she is, tells him all about the Clans, where they are, etc. so that he can test their strength and faith before the Great Battle. We also learn that, when journeying through Twolegplace, he joins a group of rogues but leaves them to die at the paws of dogs. Eventually he reaches the Lake and casts all his hatred of StarClan upon the weakest Clan at the time: ShadowClan.
ShadowClan was weak because of Blackstar's age, Littlecloud dying, etc. So in strolls Sol - a strong rogue offering to hunt and fight with the Clan in exchange for having a home. But Sol's sweet words infiltrated Blackstar and he essentially took over the Clan - what was a dying medicine cat and a faithless old cat to stop him? What sweet karma it was that it was a "sign" from StarClan that won back Blackstar and kicked Sol from the clan - again.
However, it seems as though Sol has returned in the body of Darktail - once again visiting SkyClan; except this time taking it over. Journeying to ShadowClan with his rogues, trying to live with them but living beside them. What will happen next in VoS? NO ONE KNOWS
sorry this is kind of a long post :I
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Sol
Feb 20, 2017 15:35:33 GMT -5
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Post by moonwisker on Feb 20, 2017 15:35:33 GMT -5
Yes I agree with you their. Maybe Starclan didn't send a sign to either of them cause they wanted to see how things played out or if the other Clans could step up to help one another as for Midnight she might not be a ghost maybe she is an old soul in a young body. She could have had what Dovewing, Jayfeather, and Loinheart went through where they were born a long time ago then died just to be born again.
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Sol
Feb 20, 2017 16:12:28 GMT -5
Post by Rainshadow on Feb 20, 2017 16:12:28 GMT -5
Yes I agree with you their. Maybe Starclan didn't send a sign to either of them cause they wanted to see how things played out or if the other Clans could step up to help one another as for Midnight she might not be a ghost maybe she is an old soul in a young body. She could have had what Dovewing, Jayfeather, and Loinheart went through where they were born a long time ago then died just to be born again. If that's the case then that's just ridiculous of StarClan that they'd risk losing a Clan by refusing to send a sign. And in the end they still had to send one (or make a fake one real but it comes down to the same thing). They should just send one earlier to reassure Blackstar that they did care about ShadowClan. I read on some other thread that it was confirmed that Midnight was a ghost but I can't remember where. Though, I like your explanation a whole lot more. It makes more sense in-universe. A ghost, without any further explanation, just seems out of place and plain odd.
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Sol
Feb 20, 2017 16:19:02 GMT -5
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Post by Rainshadow on Feb 20, 2017 16:19:02 GMT -5
You know, now I wonder, did Sol really not believe in the possible existence of StarClan or did he simply not think them important? I mean, a badger (who is apparently a ghost which I still find odd) tells him everything about these Clans and then he decides to go wreck their faith in StarClan. Meaning he actually believes everything Midnight told him. Or had Midnight edged him on a bit, seeing how she wanted to test the Clans' faith in StarClan? I can understand Blackstar lost faith in StarClan really. They didn't always seem too concerned with ShadowClan. If they'd just given him or Littlecloud a sign earlier things wouldn't have gotten so out of hand. After all, Blackstar didn't stop believing in StarClan, he thought they simply didn't care about him and his Clan. Which, considering his age and all he and ShadowClan have been through, isn't so strange a thought to have. Sol knew full well about the clans before he met Midnight, as he had been in new SkyClan for an extent before he was kicked out for kidnapping Leafstar's kits. It is explained that he was never really good in a Clan, unable to work with others and follow orders, which led to the rest of SkyClan being hard on him ... which led to hatred of all Clans.
After being kicked out of SkyClan, Sol went to the Forest to cast his hatred upon the other Clans. He there found Ravenpaw and Barley, who explained that the Clans had gone on a journey to find a new place to live. So off Sol went.
He finds Midnight and, being the scheming benevolent ghost badger that she is, tells him all about the Clans, where they are, etc. so that he can test their strength and faith before the Great Battle. We also learn that, when journeying through Twolegplace, he joins a group of rogues but leaves them to die at the paws of dogs. Eventually he reaches the Lake and casts all his hatred of StarClan upon the weakest Clan at the time: ShadowClan.
ShadowClan was weak because of Blackstar's age, Littlecloud dying, etc. So in strolls Sol - a strong rogue offering to hunt and fight with the Clan in exchange for having a home. But Sol's sweet words infiltrated Blackstar and he essentially took over the Clan - what was a dying medicine cat and a faithless old cat to stop him? What sweet karma it was that it was a "sign" from StarClan that won back Blackstar and kicked Sol from the clan - again.
However, it seems as though Sol has returned in the body of Darktail - once again visiting SkyClan; except this time taking it over. Journeying to ShadowClan with his rogues, trying to live with them but living beside them. What will happen next in VoS? NO ONE KNOWS
sorry this is kind of a long post :I No don't apologize! It was nice to read as I love more info on Sol. Also, the way you structured your post (especially the ending) made it strangely, uh what's the word?; exciting? to read.^^ Sol cert ainly travelled far to get his revenge.One thing though: I don't think Sol ever offered to hunt or do any sort of labour for ShadowClan. On the contrary, he's more likely to let others do the work for him. He masterfully played into Blackstar's doubts though and thus easily earning his trust and respect. Also, I get Midnight's intention were meant to be good but really, instead of sending yet another threat, she should've just sent a warning to the Clans, telling them of the Dark Forest. The Clans knew of her and her wisdom. They'd at least consider it and be more vigilant. Putting the Clans in danger just for the sake of testing their faith is ridiculous and reckless, if you ask me.
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Sol
Feb 20, 2017 16:46:01 GMT -5
Post by moonwisker on Feb 20, 2017 16:46:01 GMT -5
Well she did say the three chosen cats would not be enough to save the clans when they spoke to her and Rock. So maybe the test was more for Firestar then any other cats or clans in general since Firestar was the fourth cat needed to save the Clans from the Dark Forest.
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Sol
Feb 20, 2017 17:01:43 GMT -5
Post by Tas on Feb 20, 2017 17:01:43 GMT -5
Well she did say the three chosen cats would not be enough to save the clans when they spoke to her and Rock. So maybe the test was more for Firestar then any other cats or clans in general since Firestar was the fourth cat needed to save the Clans from the Dark Forest. Personally, the idea that "Firestar is the fourth cat" is cheesy and stupid. Firestar's legacy ended after TPB ... right? NOPE Plus, what did he do in the Great Battle? Sure, he killed Tigerstar, but Tigerstar was never really the leader. It was kind of shared between him, Mapleshade, Darkstripe, etc.
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Sol
Feb 20, 2017 17:01:58 GMT -5
Post by Tas on Feb 20, 2017 17:01:58 GMT -5
then he died of wounds after
WOUNDS
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Sol
Feb 21, 2017 13:59:41 GMT -5
Post by moonwisker on Feb 21, 2017 13:59:41 GMT -5
To be quite honest I think Brokenstar/tail was more of a leader then Darkstripe was. I also though the deaths of Firestar and Tigerstar was from the burning branch that fell. Firestar was also on his last life and was very old so dying of wounds from a great battle dose make sense. We also don't know too much about who he fought in it cause it was focus on Ivytail, Lionblaze, and Dovewing.
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Sol
Feb 21, 2017 14:07:45 GMT -5
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 21, 2017 14:07:45 GMT -5
To be quite honest I think Brokenstar/tail was more of a leader then Darkstripe was. I also though the deaths of Firestar and Tigerstar was from the burning branch that fell. Firestar was also on his last life and was very old so dying of wounds from a great battle dose make sense. We also don't know too much about who he fought in it cause it was focus on Ivytail, Lionblaze, and Dovewing. By Darkstripe and Ivytail, do you mean Darktail and Ivypool? And yeah, a falling branch DID NOT kill Firestar and Tigerstar and it gets kind of annoying when people think otherwise. I blame it mostly on poor writing though since it was kind of unclear.
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Sol
Feb 21, 2017 14:26:57 GMT -5
Post by Tas on Feb 21, 2017 14:26:57 GMT -5
To be quite honest I think Brokenstar/tail was more of a leader then Darkstripe was. I also though the deaths of Firestar and Tigerstar was from the burning branch that fell. Firestar was also on his last life and was very old so dying of wounds from a great battle dose make sense. We also don't know too much about who he fought in it cause it was focus on Ivytail, Lionblaze, and Dovewing. By Darkstripe and Ivytail, do you mean Darktail and Ivypool? And yeah, a falling branch DID NOT kill Firestar and Tigerstar and it gets kind of annoying when people think otherwise. I blame it mostly on poor writing though since it was kind of unclear. ^^^ Yep. I think people get a little mixed up with that and the scene with Hawkfrost and Bramblestar, AND Onestar being chosen as leader. That reminds me, do we have a discussion on Onestar yet?
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Sol
Feb 21, 2017 14:50:06 GMT -5
Post by moonwisker on Feb 21, 2017 14:50:06 GMT -5
Not sure but that would be a fun discussion with Onestar. I was never unclear about Onestar being made leader it was quite clear to me.
@taslekio: What scene between Hawkfrost and Bramblestar are you talking about?
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Sol
Feb 21, 2017 17:07:34 GMT -5
Post by Tas on Feb 21, 2017 17:07:34 GMT -5
Where Firestar is trapped in the fox cage and Bramblestar (Brambleclaw at the time) saves him by killing Hawkfrost. And if you want to do the @ thing, it's Tas .
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Sol
Feb 21, 2017 17:07:52 GMT -5
Post by Tas on Feb 21, 2017 17:07:52 GMT -5
@ pinetail
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Sol
Feb 22, 2017 18:16:19 GMT -5
Post by moonwisker on Feb 22, 2017 18:16:19 GMT -5
Ah ok and sorry about your name. It also was not a cage but a snare. After all the book did not say their was a strange shiny branches around the shiny spiderweb attached to a stick(all of this is what I understand their calling a metal cage and a snare in the books since they don't use human words for them).
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Sol
Feb 22, 2017 21:00:11 GMT -5
Post by Tas on Feb 22, 2017 21:00:11 GMT -5
Yeah, sorry, my bad
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Sol
Feb 23, 2017 15:00:34 GMT -5
Post by moonwisker on Feb 23, 2017 15:00:34 GMT -5
NP we all make mistakes for me it names of the cats. I usually never get the human items wrong when the cats see them.
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Sol
Feb 24, 2017 7:01:55 GMT -5
Post by Tas on Feb 24, 2017 7:01:55 GMT -5
I love Sol though. He`s ma fav
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Sol
Feb 24, 2017 14:26:02 GMT -5
Post by moonwisker on Feb 24, 2017 14:26:02 GMT -5
Yes as for owning his own Ora he is good fav. for me? not sure since he was only in a few books and then disappred after that I can't really say.
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Sol
Feb 24, 2017 14:51:48 GMT -5
Post by Tas on Feb 24, 2017 14:51:48 GMT -5
That is a good question - where did Sol go afterwards? Does anyone know?
WHERE IS ONESTAR
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Post by moonwisker on Feb 25, 2017 13:13:00 GMT -5
What dose Onestar have to do with Sol leaving?
I have a crazy theory that when Sol left he decided to get his revenge another way. What if Darktail is Sol's son and Sol raised Darktail with the intent that he brings down the Clans starting with the Clan that started it all. It would make senses on how Darktail new about the clan cats and it would be an interesting way for them to round out Sol's story.
What do you think?
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Sol
Feb 25, 2017 13:30:36 GMT -5
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Post by Moonblazer on Feb 25, 2017 13:30:36 GMT -5
What dose Onestar have to do with Sol leaving? I have a crazy theory that when Sol left he decided to get his revenge another way. What if Darktail is Sol's son and Sol raised Darktail with the intent that he brings down the Clans starting with the Clan that started it all. It would make senses on how Darktail new about the clan cats and it would be an interesting way for them to round out Sol's story. What do you think? *claps violently as I fully support this idea*
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Sol
Feb 25, 2017 14:24:56 GMT -5
Post by Tas on Feb 25, 2017 14:24:56 GMT -5
What dose Onestar have to do with Sol leaving? I have a crazy theory that when Sol left he decided to get his revenge another way. What if Darktail is Sol's son and Sol raised Darktail with the intent that he brings down the Clans starting with the Clan that started it all. It would make senses on how Darktail new about the clan cats and it would be an interesting way for them to round out Sol's story. What do you think? *claps violently as I fully support this idea* ^^ yes yes 100 times yes but who's Sol's mate?
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Sol
Feb 25, 2017 16:16:51 GMT -5
Post by moonwisker on Feb 25, 2017 16:16:51 GMT -5
It would be interesting to see who his mate would be. But I think if they would make Darktail Sol's son the mother would maybe have nothing to do with the Clans. After all in Sol's mind the mother would not be as important as a son who could seek his vengeance.
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Sol
Feb 25, 2017 17:00:38 GMT -5
Post by Tas on Feb 25, 2017 17:00:38 GMT -5
It would be interesting to see who his mate would be. But I think if they would make Darktail Sol's son the mother would maybe have nothing to do with the Clans. After all in Sol's mind the mother would not be as important as a son who could seek his vengeance. Agreed - something like the Tigerstar-Sasha relationship.
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Sol
Feb 27, 2017 17:34:31 GMT -5
Post by moonwisker on Feb 27, 2017 17:34:31 GMT -5
Yes but Sasha did come into the books after the manga and when the cats where being captured before the left the forest.
I can also understand why some people might argue a thing like "If Darktail is Sol's son then why don't the look a like?" or; even "If Darktail was Sol's son then how did Darktail not know where to find the other four Clans?"
I only though up those contraindicates after getting off friday. For the first question that a person might ask I would say...
Sol might have chosen Darktail for the fact that they don't look alike. If you think about it it would be much easy for a cat that looks nothing like him to remind all cats that meet Sol of him making it easier to gain their trust. Also a litter of kittens can look nothing like the parent cats but would still be their parents.
The second question would be a bit harder I would agree to that and it took ma a lot of thinking on the "How?" and the "Why?" parts. For the how I think something happened to Sol and he might not have been able to tell Darktail about the location of the other four clans or maybe he want Darktail to focus on Skyclan with the hope that the other Clans would come looking for Skyclan and then lead Darktail straight back to them. The why part goes with the how. Maybe it was Darktail idea to stay for a longer time to make sure Skyclan was gone for good before he took action on the other four clans. The arrival of Adderpaw and the rest might have been the motivation he needed to leave Skyclan territory and make his move on the other four Clans.
Of course this is my idea and since nobody has said anything about those two questions or facts I though I woulds bring them up before they are made. Plus since I am not one of the writers all I can do is offer my option about what is to come just like everyone waiting for April to come for the next book to be able to be read. (Side note to that I think in the next book Skyclan will come to the lake in not the next book the the fourth book since the seares has usually five books in it)
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Sol
Feb 27, 2017 17:53:43 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 17:53:43 GMT -5
No, Sol actually stole them because he wanted to become a SkyClan warrior. When Leafstar told him to be patient, he took her kits and hid them, thinking that he could trick Leafstar into believing he found them that she would have to make him a SkyClan warrior. I'm guessing his plan failed? How did that happen? Did the kits just tell Leafstar? Im pretty sure they found the kits in a search patrol and then the kits explained what happened. I have no clue if Im right.
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Sol
Feb 27, 2017 18:44:21 GMT -5
Post by moonwisker on Feb 27, 2017 18:44:21 GMT -5
If you read it you would know better then me. My library has a limited selection on the Warrior Cats Mangas.
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Sol
Feb 27, 2017 19:56:55 GMT -5
Post by Tas on Feb 27, 2017 19:56:55 GMT -5
Been a while since I read any of the mangas.
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Sol
Feb 28, 2017 13:45:40 GMT -5
Post by moonwisker on Feb 28, 2017 13:45:40 GMT -5
Ya my library only has Tigerstar and Sasha, The Lost Warrior, and the one on Scourge.
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Sol
Feb 28, 2017 14:58:48 GMT -5
Post by Tas on Feb 28, 2017 14:58:48 GMT -5
Try putting them on hold? You can access books from every library in your area (city, etc.) and it'll show up in your library in a couple of weeks. That's what I do, because my library is quite small as well.
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