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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Dec 13, 2016 2:36:39 GMT -5
As you guys already said, Millie and Graystripe. They should have just stayed friends, imo Silverstream should have live and not died for Gray's man pain. And Millie should have either stayed with Diesel or hook up with another cat in the clan, or just stay single period. Honestly when you compare them, manga Millie =/= book Millie. Book Millie just sent her character spiraling into the pits, and gave her one of the worst mom of the year awards. Not only is she an abusive mother that neglects her kits, and is also grossly ableist, she's been disrespectful toward StarClan on a few occassions, in front of Graystripe, she can be pretty insensitive sometimes. But enough about her, what about Graystripe. What happened to that fun loving gray goof ball??? He turned into a lazy fat furball after he and Millie became a thing, he doesn't even really interact with his children, he's even one of the cats watching when Millie verbally tears into Blossomfall. So yeah, they're both cruddy parents, granted Graystripe was actually a better father to Stormfur and Feathertail. And even now he's still thinking about Silverstream, yet I don't feel bad for a cat like Millie.
Lionblaze and Cinderheart feel like that forced heteronormative ship where a hero must get a girl and it happens to be Cinderheart, but then to make it look viable the Erins attempt "drama" but it's actually just an on and off segment of annoyance.
Yellowfang and Raggedstar were just gawd awful, I don't know what she saw in that manipulative piece of fox dung, he was down right petty, abusive, and a murderer at that. Who kills their own father? Sure Hal wasn't the best father, but he wasn't a clan cat either, he didn't deserve that. And then denying Russetfur is his sister? Smh. He's nothing but a hypocrite, and Yellowfang shouldn't have fooled around with him.
Stormtail and Moonflower, just shouldn't have happened period, if Stormtail is going to pay more attention to another she-cat than his own mate and kits. Sunstar and Moonflower had obvious chemistry so I find it utterly mind boggling that Storm x Moon was ever a thing.
Crowfeather x Nightcloud is probably one of the most worst ships out there. Nightcloud tried to make him love her, Crowfeather only used her, eventually that just turns a relationship sour. Nightcloud deserved better, *cough*like Mudclaw*cough* not some moping flea bag like Crowfeather that thinks it's okay to use his mate and son to save his social image and then cast them aside when he didn't need them.
Leafstar and Billystorm, putting aside his atrocisous name, I just really hated these two together, they had no chemistry at all. Leafstar only started having feelings for him because he liked her, and it was like she just went with the flow, and it made me go ??? It reminded me too much of Leafpool and Crowfeather. Also when Billystorm wanted to live as a kittypet and tried to get the kits to go with him, I could feel my eye twitch. Like...wow. Did he even really care about Leafstar at that point in time, like at all?? How selfish can you get?
Speaking of Leafpool and Crowfeather, just like Leafstar and Billystorm, Crowfeather suddenly had feelings for Leafpool and she just went along with it. She knew she wasn't supposed to have a mate, she knew she was breaking not one but two major rules, then acts surprised when she's pregnant??? Or acts hollier than thou when she steps down from her position as her own self-punishment. Meanwhile Crowfeather is an utter piece of fox dung to her, his illegitimate kits, his current mate, and his third born son. He also made it obvious he was still bitter about Leafpool choosing her clan over him, hence why he's being a jerk, hm. P.S. Feathertail deserved better than Crowfeather too.
Now there's Bramblestar and Squirrelflight, I used to be all A game for this pairing but after seeing how Bramblestar treated Squirrelflight made me want to chuck a cow at him. Especially in BrS. Okay so your mate keeps a secret from you and you blow up about it, hmm did you ever tell her you were training in the Dark Forest with your notorious murderous father? Also you never really bothered to listen to her warnings about Hawkfrost, new flashs, she was right all along. Speaking of which, hesitating to save Firestar, your love interest's father, seriously? But then it also takes you being a nosy mole, helping your sister in another clan, at the cost of Dustpelt's life for you to actually realize why Squirrelflight did what she did, hm. Making her deputy just because you trusts her again, what kind of terrible excuse...for pete's sake she was doing a better job at deputy than you were at leader. And do I even need to go into the fact he was chasin' Jessy's tail right in front of Squirrelflight like a love sick kitten, ugh.
Brook and Stormfur, man oh man, just like Lionblaze and Cinderheart, the heteronormative, and they needed a reason to keep Stormfur in the tribe. What better way than to pair him up with one of the same cats that held him hostage and tried to force him to help their tribe. Suddenly he had feelings for her, and not Squirrelflight??? Gotta keep him out of the way of Squirrel X Bramble, amirite? Also Brook is just down right boooooring, holy carp. Sometimes I just forget she exists, and the only reason I haven't yet is because of Stormfur.
Spiderleg and Daisy, three words, Daisy deserved better. So Spiderleg things it's handy dandy to do one-night stands, knock up she-cats and be like, I didn't/wasn't expecting to be a father/have kits with her. Um??? Like no you're not the worst father, but seriously you could have tried harder, not last minute before you die from off screen greencough. Also give Daisy a break, literally the only real reason this pairing even became a thing, imo, just like Gray and Millie, it was to introduce more gene pools into the clan, with new kits. Daisy already had to deal with Smoky being a jerk, she didn't need another bad relationship right after that, smh.
Squirrelflight and Ashfur, non-canon, I know, but people legit still ship this pairing and I personally find that kinda disturbing? Granted he tried to kill her children just because she didn't bend over backwards for him. Ugh. There's a good term for characters like this, and I'm sure we're all aware of what it is. But it's not only that, honestly. Squirrelflight realizes her feelings are for Bramblestar, she and Ashfur were never really a thing, they were just friends. And when she offered to stay his friend, he was desperate to keep her, and when she refused his feelings he threw her friendship in her face. Then proceeds to claim conspiracies against Bramblestar's deputyship, plots with Hawkfrost to try and kill Squirrelflight's father and then wanting to frame Bramblestar. Is overly aggressive with Lionblaze during his apprenticeship, and then tried to burn him and his siblings in a fire just cause he thought they were Squirrelflight's kits. And then wanted to expose Squirrelflight's secret, not just to hurt her, but to hurt Bramblestar and Firestar, and ThunderClan's reputation. But hey, he's dead now, yet...he still got into StarClan. Hm...
Firestar and Spottefleaf also adding Sandstorm, just cringe. Spottedleaf is a down right stalker, especially in StarClan form when she doesn't really have any real role associated with Firestar. They talked a few times and suddenly they loved one another, I'm sorry, but people say Silver and Gray are bad? At least they had actual development, off screen and on. Seriously the only implication, if you can count it as one, was Firestar thinking Spottedleaf always smelled nice, like lol. Okay. There's even a time where she wished Sandstorm didn't exists, hey I don't like her with Firestar either, but that's a bit much. Speaking of Sandstorm, after reading the series over again, I just utterly detest younger Sandstorm. Her treatment, and Dustpelt's is down right gross. It reminds me of Shrewclaw and Tallstar's relationship, just probably not as bad. And my biggest pet peeve is just how this all developed after the matter. Firestar suddenly saves Sandstorm, and now she's all doki doki instead of tsun tsun all the time. She's also got some jealousy issues, if I had a nickle for every time she glared at Spottedleaf and Cinderpelt, let alone argued with Firestar, lol. Now don't get me wrong, I like how Sandstorm is now a developed character, I just didn't like the fact that that development was based from when Firstar saved her, and onward. Also if the Erins have to kill Spottedleaf, twice, just because they didn't want Firestar to have to choose between her and Sandstorm, what does that say about the latter's relationship???
Lionblaze and Heathertail, I don't think any of you can fathom how much I hate this pairing. I actually remember when I used to defend Lionblaze, man was I young and stupid. When it comes down to it, Lionblaze doesn't deserve a mate, period. I know there's a lot of controversy on whether or not Heathertail was telling the truth about the tunnels or not, I know some Erins think she was lying, some think she was telling the truth. I think she was telling the truth, she had nothing to gain from spilling the secret, if anything the kits seems more likely, or even Breezepelt out of spite. And the problem here is that based on assumptions Lionblaze intentionally sought out Heathertail during the fight, attacked her, dragged her away, held her down, tortured and interrogated her, before turning his claws on Crowfeather, his own father, and almost killing him. Then he has dreams of Heathertail being murdered, and initially found pleasure in it, for pete's sake this guy would drill a stare into Heathertail from across the clearing of a gathering, so much that it made her uncomfortable and move around. Then he goes as far as to blaming her for Hollyleaf's death, just unbelievable. All of this then he acts like a hyprocrite and steals herbs from her clan's territory, even almost kills her, and yet in the end Heathertail made it clear she's not some spiteful flea bag like him by letting him have the herbs.
Dovewing, Bumblestripe and Tigerheart, lord....I'm sure you guys saw this coming. Where do I start, on one hand there's a cat in the same clan as her, who's supposedly nice, yet when he doesn't get his way he's kinda a jerk, gives off low key Ashfur vibes. He's down right annoying imo, too clingy, and clearly doesn't know how to read between the lines when it comes to how people are feeling and what they want and don't want. Not to mention the peer pressure of the whole clan shipping her with him, even her own mother who says it's the duty of she-cats to have kits, lol. And his sister practically bites her head off when she finally snaps at him. It's funny cause it's the same sister he was so non-nonchalant about letting her getting punished, he only cared about his new trophy mate at the time. On the other hand you have the also annoying, immature, persistent jerk from another clan. Who thought it was okay to use Dovewing to his own convenience, and meet with her on his own terms. She imagines a future with him and suddenly he's like hit the brakes, but isn't this kinda what you wanted later on in the books when you're constantly glaring her down or?? He never took her seriously, thought her powers were "cool" when for her it was nothing but stress, and then used her for information, taking advantage of their relationship because of it. And now he's even worse thanks to him being in the same clan as her, even before that he's always trying to start arguments, and when she's not around he's looking for her, it's irritating. Just let Dovewing stay single or put her with a completely new cat.
Tallstar x Reena and might as well add Shrewclaw x Ryestalk. I really hate when a pairing with so much potential and a good bit of development gets thrown into the back waters. And in this case it's Shrewclaw and Reena. I absolutely loathe the idea of Reena and Tallstar's for reasons. No it's not just because I ship Jake and Tallstar, but because even with Jake out of the equation, Tallstar isn't interested in she-cats, and not interested in having kits. Reena's feelings for Tallstar were so sudden, that even he didn't realize it until he met her again and wanted him to stay with the group. The last time they even saw each other before that he didn't even bother telling her good-bye, in fact since his father's death they didn't even talk much and she started hanging out with Shrewclaw. Who ironically went from distrusting and disliking her to genuinely being nice to her, and actually upset that she had to leave. Imo that a great turn around, and it went no where, instead the Erins decided to push the idea of Reena and Tallstar a bit, and put Shrewclaw with Ryestalk for some random reason, like Brook and Stormfur, just??? But Ryestalk, imo, was at least likable.
Tawnypelt and Rowanstar, obvious reasons. Rowanstar was down right hostile toward her at first, didn't trust her for having ThunderClan blood. Then when they're mates suddenly he's defending her loyalty?? The Erins admitted they only became mates as collateral damage for getting his gender wrong so many times. In BrS I was utterly annoyed at how he treated her, like some kit, when she was the one actually doing the right things for the Clan. If anything she deserved to be leader, not him. Then when his kit's birth was anouned at the gathering, and Squirrelflight congratulated her, he had the gall to say that they were shadowclan born kits, taking jabs at her, like lol that whole bit about Tawny being untrustworthy because of her TC blood is suddenly gone, hunh? Also he's not the best father either, please refer to Flametail, and when even he wouldn't believe his own son, smh. Add that to the fact that he's a pompous stuck up leader who has no idea what he's doing, I honestly feel bad for Tawnypelt.
Oakheart and Bluestar's drama was down right annoying, I'm sorry. I was actually not thinking about adding them, but I changed my mind the more I thought about them. This pairing was similar to Spiderleg and Daisy imo, a fling, one night stand, with no real development. What really ticked me off, wasn't really Oakheart's involvement, even if he was breaking the code, it was Bluestar's. She was also breaking the code, and also being an utter hypocrite. It's been confirmed that Thistleclaw did indeed love Snowfur, and Bluestar is whining about her sister being with him, blah blah blah. Yet here she is having a forbidden relationship behind her back while sticking her nose where it doesn't belong. What I found hilarious is the fact that Thistleclaw was actually the first cat to suspect her relationship with Oakheart, go figure. But anywho, Bluestar decides that becoming leader was more important than her kits, gives them to Oakheart but not before Mosskit dies in her sleep due to her neglect to notice the condition of her kits at the time. What bugged me the most, was a cat, as selfless as Thrushpelt, who even offered to be used by her, and be the foster father of the kits, was still searching for them, until his death. And Bluestar never told him the truth. That. Made. Me. Angry. He at least deserved to know as their adoptive father, case and point, I wouldn't want Bluestar to be the mother of my kits.
Tigerstar and Sasha, also Goldenflower. Here I was thinking I wouldn't be able to include them either on here. Lets see, he used Goldenflower as means of having kits basically. And on the other hand he was so quick to cut ties with Sasha, ugh. Eventually it was confirmed that their relationship was no better than Spiderleg and Daiy's, go figure.
Bramblestar and Jessy, haha, Jessy was creepy imo. She was like a little Squirrelpaw clone, and she annoyed me so much. She was a good hunter, fighter, and strategist, right off the bat. It's like the Erins were trying hard to make her likable, imo she wasn't. And then the way she behaved around Bramblestar like she was already his mate, even in front of Squirrelflight? Don't get me wrong, I don't like SquirrelBramble anymore, but when it comes to these two, I choose it over the latter. Because it makes way more sense than Bramblestar flaunting with a new "perfect" she-cat right in front of Squirrelflight while knowing it's going to hurt her. And what bugged me the most was when Jessy moved her nest closer to Bramblestar while he was sleeping, then when she yelled at Squirrelflight for how she was talking to Bramblestar, despite Squirrelflight being right. And then later when Bramblestar is all like, I could have wuv you uwu, um??? It's like saying, I'll have to settle for the other one now, sigh. Ugh. In the end her character was just a plot device to get Bramblestar and Squirrelflight back together as confirmed by the Erins. Imo I found Minty's character to be more interesting than Jessy's try hard one.
Thornclaw and Blossomfall, I hate this pairing with a burning passion. Why. Just why. I get that they're cats, and they don't care about age, fair enough, its the only reason why I'm not putting Leopard x Pine on my list. But this pairing is down right fan catering if *spoilers* they are actually canon now. It makes no sense whatsoever. I mean, the only reason it became a thing in the fandom is because of one scene, yes one, where Lionblaze assumes they were mates. But assumed wrong and realized they were talking about the Dark Forest. That's it. Honestly this pairing has as much viability as Rosetail x Berrynose.
Speaking of Berrynose, him and Poppyfrost, haha. We have to bring Honeyfern into account first. Now the whole reason Honeyfern was killed was because the Erins needed an excuse to bring deathberries into the camp, to kill the snake that killed Honeyfern. In the end the snake magically appeared then never appeared again. Then the deathberries were used for the scene where Hollyleaf wanted Leafpool to eat them, to which she doesn't even eat them, so basically they're wasted in the end. And Honeyfern honestly died for nothing. But then, pretty much collateral damage, the Erins made Poppyfrost and Berrynose a thing, yup great writing, make him get with his dead mate's sister instead. And say she liked him all along, and just was quiet about it, so she didn't make a move until her sister was dead. Hm. There's also the issue that Poppfrost and Berrynose have both become down right arrogant and annoying over time, similar to Holly and Jagged Peak, except I actually don't mind them.
Skystar x Storm, Star Flower, and Bright Stream. Honestly all of the canon pairings with Clear Sky are just atrocious. Starting with Bright Stream, she's an utter doormat that's down right boring. Yes I felt bad she died, but the way her relationship with Skystar was just cringy. He was so pushy when it came to her, and she just went along with everything, its like she didn't know how to think for herself. Then when you think Storm x Gray Wing are gonna be a thing, bam! Skystar and Storm have love at first sight, and have kits, only for her to eventually leave, and Skystar lets her, she dies, and only Thunder survives. And Skystar refuses to raise his own son, leaving his brother to do all the work, only to want him back later, then let him leave too when he sees how crappy of a leader he is. And then there's Star Flower....sigh. I just...I hate her. I really do. I like how Skystar was redeemed as a character, but honestly this pairing is so cringy, and Star Flower being with him just ruins it for me. I might as well add Thunder x Star Flower here too, since she used him for information, then gets with his dad latter on, ick. Why did Skystar decide to get with the cat that was watching him be tortured by her father and his goons, idk. All she did was regress his character so much it made me physically angry reading about them. She excused all his behavior and babied him, to the point where I found him intolerable again.
Tom and Turtle Tail, pretty much a Raggedstar x Yellowfang but more physically abusive than verbally. Also I will admit, Tom is a jerk, even if I don't down right hate him.
Appledusk and Mapleshade, I can so so so much about these two...not to mention I also hate Reedshine x Appledusk, because I hate both of them as characters. Appledusk is a two timing lying piece of fox dung who threw Mapleshade under the bus for save his own hide, but at least he admitted the kits were his, unlike some other cat I know. Then he gets off easy because Reedshine defends him, while Mapleshade gets the whole blunt of this catastrophe. In the end, I don't feel bad for what happened to him either, imo he had it coming and deserved it.
Jayfeather and Briarlight, why is this popular??? They're patient and doctor, there's nothing romantic between them, it honestly makes no sense like Thornclaw and Blossomfall imo.
Shellheart and Rainflower, just like Nightcloud and Crowfeather, Shellheart deserved better, and Crookedstar deserved the world. Not some shallow mouse brain of a mother like Rainflower. If she's not a good mother, she's not a good mate, so much respect when Shellheart dumped her.
Hawkfrost and Ivypool, I used to ship this, and now I look back at it and cringe, it's manipulative, abusive, and down right creepy. Just no.
Alderheart and Needletail, I swear to StarClan if this becomes a thing I will chuck my book out the window.
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Post by Leafshine on Dec 13, 2016 15:51:40 GMT -5
Leafpool, Nightcloud, Crowfeather and Feathertail Perhaps i wouldn't hate this ship so much if Leafpool and Crowfeather were in the same clan and raise their kits together. And if Nightcloud never had a relationship with Crowfeather. I hate all the lies and secrets, and most of them came from Leafpool not him, he even didn't know she was expecting kits. They seem very childish, just like teenagers and don't manage their problems like adults.
Skystar, Bright Stream, Storm and Starflower His mate's were sweet and nice, and he loved every mate differently. I just don't like that he always had the dominant part in every his relationships. I wished he had an equal mate.
Bluestar, Oakheart and Thrushpelt She just met with Oakheart, even when she knew that her clan was in danger and depended on her. She gave birth to her kits and suddenly realized how serious everything was. Poor Oakheart, left alone by his mate without telling him the reason why. Next to his paws two little kits. I think they never met again since that day. Bluestar never involved neither Oakheart nor Thrushpelt who cared for her kits, she always felt too important and busy. And she lied to everyone. Well, you could say that she was forced in this situation and had no other choice. But as i said, she knew it all along, nevertheless she met with Oakheart and it was indeed her fault.
Mapleshade, Appledusk and Reedshine Appledusk never loved Mapleshade, he betrayed her badly.
Firestar, Spottedleaf and Sandstorm I'm sure that he truly loved Sandstorm, but Spottedleaf too.
Tigerstar, Goldenflower and Sasha Goldenflower was the she-cat to give birth to his kits. Sasha was a pretty she-cat to have fun with. I think he might loved them a bit, but i wouldn't describe this kind of relationship as true love. I think he never had time to search for a fitting mate. But i know that Leopardstar liked Tigerstar. Sadly this relationship never came true. Perhaps Leopardstar was powerful enough to make him into a good warrior.
Whitestorm, Brindleface and Willowpelt I always thought Willowpelt is Whitestorm's only love, because he was so gentle and protective toward her.
Squirrelflight, Bramblestar, Jessy, Ashfur, Stormfur Ashfur was very annoying, he doesn't fit with Squirrel. At the beginning i loved Bramble and Squirrel but now i wish that Squirrelfight starts a new life without Bramblestar, because he seems to constrict her sometimes.
Yellowfang, Raggedstar and Foxheart I hate Yellowfang's dumbness to fall in love with Raggedstar, she deserved something better.
Berrynose and Poppyfrost It is not honorable to mate with the boyfriend of your dead sister, to be happy while she is rotting in her grave!
I noticed that there are many triangular relationships.
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Post by Owlmoon on Dec 13, 2016 16:22:56 GMT -5
Leafpool x Crowfeather; I always found that very odd, especially since they didn't show much romantic interest in each other until the very end, and even broke off the relationship... I think it was only there to make the Three special… It would have been much better if Stormfur had been the silver cat, his sister had survived, and he went off with her (meaning, probably switching Clans). Saw a fan fiction that did that and that was done very well… Jayfeather x Briarlight: Jayfeather has never shown any romantic interest in anyone, even if he could have a mate, or when he was a warrior apprentice… Why would he suddenly show romantic affection now? Rowanstar x Tawnypelt: Honestly, it always bothered me how someone kind and levelheaded like Tawnypelt wound up with someone prickly like Rowanstar… And unlike Crowfeather, there are no hidden depths to him to make that justified… Unfortunately, I'm not sure who else in Shadowclan would be suitable for her, because she acts more like a Thunderclan cat… And she still has a chance to be leader, provided Tigerheart dies (which is likely, considering how weak Shadowclan is)… Could also happen if both Rowanstar and Tigerheart die (also likely). Breezepelt x Heathertail: Honestly, why is he still in the Clans? How is this pairing even a thing? If there was any crack pairing in canon, this is it… Ooh! But I also agree with you! Heathertail deserves better.
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Post by Webnose on Dec 14, 2016 19:15:56 GMT -5
LionxCinder: I hate these two characters, they have no chemistry at all, very little development leading up to their relationship and having to read their half-baked relationship drama is nauseating.
FirexSpotted: I find it ridiculous that Spottedleaf's entire character arc revolves around this guy she hardly knew, especially considering she barely gave him any indication that she liked him. And she had so much time afterwards to move on and stop obsessing over him, but she never did. Also, I found Firestar's last words to Spottedleaf's body in Into the Wild to be weird when he barely knew her at all.
SquirrelxBramble: Okay, their constant bickering all throughout TNP was already grating as hell, but just in case you actually begin to believe that their relationship might be functional, it's revealed that Squirrelflight lied to Bramblestar about their own kits. I seriously don't care what her reasoning was, her decision not to tell him about something so major was idiotic. I don't know who's worse: Squirrelflight for not telling him about the kits, or Bramblestar for actually taking her back afterwards.
...Okay, yes I do, it's Squirrelflight.
BramblexJessy: So Jessy is pretty much like Squirrelflight in TNP, but instead of being annoyed with all of her glaring flaws like he was with Squirrelflight, he finds them to be endearing. I find this especially annoying considering her snooty behaviour is met with no backlash whatsoever. That, and the fact that Jessy's only real purpose was to encourage Bramblestar to mend his relationship with Squirrelflight just increases my hatred for this pairing.
DovexBumble: Bumblestripe is annoying, I hate their interactions and the pressure Dovewing faced from her Clan to give him a chance was irritating.
CrowxAnyone: Disgusting, and Crowfeather will die alone. Next.
StormxBrook: Probably the most boring pairing this series has to offer. Brook (and most of the Tribe cats, for that matter) is unbelievably bland.
LeafxBilly: Same as StormxBrook, except with the added fact that I find Leafstar to be unbearable.
I could go on, but I think I pretty much went over all of the worst ones and I don't want this list to be too long.
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