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Post by pastelpills on Dec 9, 2016 1:31:50 GMT -5
Have you noticed that Erins seem to hate the stuff the fandom loves and like/think things the fandom despises???
For example, both Vicky and Kate dislike Hollyleaf. Kate even said that it's her least favorite. Imo, they must be pretty pissed off that the fandom loves her so much. They worked really hard on trying to make us hate her. Mission failed.
Then, we have HawkXIvy. This ship is pretty unpopular within the fandom from what I noticed, but somehow magically, Kate ships it.
Speaking about Kate, she also believes Bramblestar is evil???
Do you guys have any more examples?
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Post by ๐ก๐๐ก๐ก๐๐ฃ๐๐๐๐ฅ on Dec 9, 2016 6:34:21 GMT -5
Wait, Kate believes that Bramblestar is evil? Of all cats? That's justโ
Anyway, I feel like Vicky wanted us to sympathize with Ashfur when the "he only loved too much" line was thrown around.
That excuse only worked on the nine year olds.
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Post by pastelpills on Dec 9, 2016 7:26:51 GMT -5
Wait, Kate believes that Bramblestar is evil? Of all cats? That's justโ Anyway, I feel like Vicky wanted us to sympathize with Ashfur when the "he only loved too much" line was thrown around. That excuse only worked on the nine year olds. Pretty fitting because when I was nine, I defended Ashfur ... |
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Post by โ
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on Dec 9, 2016 7:38:27 GMT -5
I remember someone said they didn't like happy couples, probably Kate, well Honeyfern, Sorreltail and Ferncloud all pretty much suffered because of that.
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Dec 9, 2016 7:46:20 GMT -5
I've noticed this too.
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Dec 9, 2016 7:52:28 GMT -5
I remember someone said they didn't like happy couples, probably Kate, well Honeyfern, Sorreltail and Ferncloud all pretty much suffered because of that. Not sure if Kate ever said that, but I know Vicky definitely has. |
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Post by finland on Dec 9, 2016 10:08:52 GMT -5
Don't forget Thorn x Blossom. *shudders*
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Post by nem on Dec 9, 2016 16:43:32 GMT -5
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Post by rowanthered on Dec 9, 2016 17:57:59 GMT -5
Wait, Kate believes that Bramblestar is evil? Of all cats? That's justโ Anyway, I feel like Vicky wanted us to sympathize with Ashfur when the "he only loved too much" line was thrown around. That excuse only worked on the nine year olds. Pretty fitting because when I was nine, I defended Oh my gosh I'm not the only one! I've been feeling like throttling my younger self recently, and for good reasons... |
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Dec 9, 2016 18:02:01 GMT -5
Interesting you picked up on thatโฆ
Bramblestar has been tempted by evil in the past, and he's in the background now, so he could still have the potential to be evilโฆ Considering what his character arc was about (breaking away from his father's legacy after being tempted to inherit it), I highly doubt it. But considering everything that's going on, who knows?
As for Hollyleaf, maybe the Erins don't like her because they feel she's overpopular? That's certainly one the reasons I don't like herโฆ
Ashfur is an odd case, but I feel like he is one of the characters that really suffers from the fact that there is no in between in the Warriors afterlife. If there was, he certainly belongs there, but there isn't, so he stuck being either deemed completely good or completely evil. It also makes me wonder if maybe he had to pass some sort of test or something to prove he was loyal to Starclanโฆ But then again some other odd choices have ended up there tooโฆ (E.g. Pinestar)
As for them not liking happy couples, it makes sense. Warriors generally has a lot of bad things going on in it, so a happy couple can feel out of place. Not to mention that there's not much to write about, or it can be boring or difficult to write.
I can't say much about the pairings, because I'm not one for shipping.
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Post by *Faith* on Dec 9, 2016 18:09:05 GMT -5
Yep, I've noticed. Kate used to not like DovexTiger, but now seems to love it.
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Post by *Faith* on Dec 9, 2016 18:10:09 GMT -5
I remember someone said they didn't like happy couples, probably Kate, well Honeyfern, Sorreltail and Ferncloud all pretty much suffered because of that. I'm pretty sure Vicky was the one who hated happy couples. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2016 18:42:08 GMT -5
I remember someone said they didn't like happy couples, probably Kate, well Honeyfern, Sorreltail and Ferncloud all pretty much suffered because of that. I'm pretty sure Vicky was the one who hated happy couples. Didn't she also say in the video she punished Ferncloud by killing her kits? |
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Post by Gัฮฑั Sะบั on Dec 9, 2016 21:17:30 GMT -5
Kate also hates Bramblestar because she thinks he stole her precious Graystripe's job
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Post by โ
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on Dec 10, 2016 0:52:49 GMT -5
Yeah, I can't understand why in the world Kate would think Bramblestar is evil. Like ???? But I've definitely noticed this. I remember reading on here, that Bramblestar was apparently supposed to not originally become leader? And it was supposed to be Squirrelflight,while Brambleclaw does a face-heel turn as a character. I don't remember who said it, but I know it was on here some where. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2016 7:50:11 GMT -5
I think they're just making drama for ex. Fandom loves same sex couples while Kate & Vicky hate them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2016 7:51:36 GMT -5
Kate also hates Bramblestar because she thinks he stole her precious Graystripe's job Ugh can they just kill-off Graystripe and Millie |
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Post by pastelpills on Dec 10, 2016 10:13:37 GMT -5
I think they're just making drama for ex. Fandom loves same sex couples while Kate & Vicky hate them. I don't think they hate them, I think it's probably so parents won't get angry at the authors. Besides, Vicky likes TallXJake and BarleyXRaven. Kate said that she dislikes the idea BlossomXIvy, but never said she dislikes same sex ships in general. |
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Dec 10, 2016 11:17:47 GMT -5
I think they're just making drama for ex. Fandom loves same sex couples while Kate & Vicky hate them. The Erins actually don't have a problem with same-sex couples. In fact, both of them like TallxJake and Vicky also likes RavenxBarley. But Warriors is a children's series and is also sold in places where homosexuality is still illegal. That's why it hasn't been included in the series yet, at least not so explicitly anyway. It has nothing to do with the Erins not liking them. |
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Post by Pandean on Dec 10, 2016 11:47:32 GMT -5
Yeah, I can't understand why in the world Kate would think Bramblestar is evil. Like ???? But I've definitely noticed this. I remember reading on here, that Bramblestar was apparently supposed to not originally become leader? And it was supposed to be Squirrelflight,while Brambleclaw does a face-heel turn as a character. I don't remember who said it, but I know it was on here some where. I've heard that somewhere too... |
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Dec 10, 2016 12:36:32 GMT -5
I'm not sure if Vicky hates Hollyleaf. In fact, Vicky has even displayed sympathy for Hollyleaf, even calling her misunderstood instead of evil.
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Post by andy on Dec 10, 2016 12:53:04 GMT -5
I think they're just making drama for ex. Fandom loves same sex couples while Kate & Vicky hate them. The Erins actually don't have a problem with same-sex couples. In fact, both of them like TallxJake and Vicky also likes RavenxBarley. But Warriors is a children's series and is also sold in places where homosexuality is still illegal. That's why it hasn't been included in the series yet, at least not so explicitly anyway. It has nothing to do with the Erins not liking them. Well, it doesn't really matter if a children's series has homosexuality in it. It would help teach children to be more accepting of non-straight couples. But it does matter that Warriors is sold in places where homosexuality is illegal- that's what stops them from writing gay characters, not it being a children's series. |
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Dec 10, 2016 13:17:41 GMT -5
The Erins actually don't have a problem with same-sex couples. In fact, both of them like TallxJake and Vicky also likes RavenxBarley. But Warriors is a children's series and is also sold in places where homosexuality is still illegal. That's why it hasn't been included in the series yet, at least not so explicitly anyway. It has nothing to do with the Erins not liking them. Well, it doesn't really matter if a children's series has homosexuality in it. It would help teach children to be more accepting of non-straight couples. But it does matter that Warriors is sold in places where homosexuality is illegal- that's what stops them from writing gay characters, not it being a children's series. It actually does matter, just not as much as the other reason. The series is mostly for children and if parents knew that it contained gay pairings and are against it even if the country allows it out of refusal to buy it, then sales would go down, so they can't be too explicit about it. Then there's also the fact that it's HC that just won't allow it, again for the marketing thing and because some countries still won't allow it. It's a shame since there are children's books who have homosexual characters in them, even with animals. |
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Post by finland on Dec 10, 2016 13:19:14 GMT -5
They have a soft spot for Brairlight.
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Post by andy on Dec 10, 2016 16:07:15 GMT -5
Well, it doesn't really matter if a children's series has homosexuality in it. It would help teach children to be more accepting of non-straight couples. But it does matter that Warriors is sold in places where homosexuality is illegal- that's what stops them from writing gay characters, not it being a children's series. It actually does matter, just not as much as the other reason. The series is mostly for children and if parents knew that it contained gay pairings and are against it even if the country allows it out of refusal to buy it, then sales would go down, so they can't be too explicit about it. Then there's also the fact that it's HC that just won't allow it, again for the marketing thing and because some countries still won't allow it. It's a shame since there are children's books who have homosexual characters in them, even with animals. That doesn't really have to deal with the fact that it's a children's book, just the fact that homophobia exists and some people won't read books with gay characters, including parents stopping their kids from reading a book. Marketing goes down all the time for books with homosexual characters in it, yet books with homosexual characters are still made, even if they are less explicit about it in some. It boils down to the author's preferences, the publishing company and where the books are being sold in the end, and it just happens that Warriors is sold in countries where homosexuality isn't welcome, so the company can't let them write it even if some of the authors are fine with it. |
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Dec 10, 2016 16:30:09 GMT -5
It actually does matter, just not as much as the other reason. The series is mostly for children and if parents knew that it contained gay pairings and are against it even if the country allows it out of refusal to buy it, then sales would go down, so they can't be too explicit about it. Then there's also the fact that it's HC that just won't allow it, again for the marketing thing and because some countries still won't allow it. It's a shame since there are children's books who have homosexual characters in them, even with animals. That doesn't really have to deal with the fact that it's a children's book, just the fact that homophobia exists and some people won't read books with gay characters, including parents stopping their kids from reading a book. Marketing goes down all the time for books with homosexual characters in it, yet books with homosexual characters are still made, even if they are less explicit about it in some. It boils down to the author's preferences, the publishing company and where the books are being sold in the end, and it just happens that Warriors is sold in countries where homosexuality isn't welcome, so the company can't let them write it even if some of the authors are fine with it. Which is actually kind of what I've been trying to say. I suppose it's my fault for not being clearer, so sorry about that. Either way, it'd be interesting to see an actual gay pairing in the books and not just one where it's left up to interpretation, like with TallxJake and RavenxBarley. |
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Post by andy on Dec 10, 2016 17:29:19 GMT -5
That doesn't really have to deal with the fact that it's a children's book, just the fact that homophobia exists and some people won't read books with gay characters, including parents stopping their kids from reading a book. Marketing goes down all the time for books with homosexual characters in it, yet books with homosexual characters are still made, even if they are less explicit about it in some. It boils down to the author's preferences, the publishing company and where the books are being sold in the end, and it just happens that Warriors is sold in countries where homosexuality isn't welcome, so the company can't let them write it even if some of the authors are fine with it. Which is actually kind of what I've been trying to say. I suppose it's my fault for not being clearer, so sorry about that. Either way, it'd be interesting to see an actual gay pairing in the books and not just one where it's left up to interpretation, like with TallxJake and RavenxBarley. Yeah, that's okay. It would be cool if we got a gay pairing for real, but unfortunately since it sells in those countries, I doubt we'd see it, only vague hints at most.  |
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