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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 3:52:51 GMT -5
a starclan cat to leave and to the dark forest and vice versa ?? like, if they did something incredibly good or bad, so much so to warrant them moving ? |
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Dec 6, 2016 4:06:29 GMT -5
Well Beetlewhisker went from the Dark Forest to StarClan.
Even if that's not a good example....
There's when Jayfeather was straying into the Dark Forest from StarClan, they have borders between the two, and a cat can easily stray there and back. But Tigerstar made it clear they'd shred one another if they crossed the borders, so it's similar to the living cats.
Flametail is another example, a StarClan cat that got lost in the Dark Forest and was almost killed again for it. StarClan cats are also not really much different from living cats, they're just dead and receive prophecies. Sometimes even they don't know what they truly mean, and as the three proved, they can't forge everything, even the three were more powerful than them. They can also act like a bunch of kits and put borders among themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 4:21:43 GMT -5
Well Beetlewhisker went from the Dark Forest to StarClan. Even if that's not a good example.... There's when Jayfeather was straying into the Dark Forest from StarClan, they have borders between the two, and a cat can easily stray there and back. But Tigerstar made it clear they'd shred one another if they crossed the borders, so it's similar to the living cats. Flametail is another example, a StarClan cat that got lost in the Dark Forest and was almost killed again for it. StarClan cats are also not really much different from living cats, they're just dead and receive prophecies. Sometimes even they don't know what they truly mean, and as the three proved, they can't forge everything, even the three were more powerful than them. They can also act like a bunch of kits and put borders among themselves. no, i mean dead cats. a cat that went to starclan / the dark forest in the afterlife. |
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Dec 6, 2016 6:37:03 GMT -5
Well Beetlewhisker went from the Dark Forest to StarClan. Even if that's not a good example.... There's when Jayfeather was straying into the Dark Forest from StarClan, they have borders between the two, and a cat can easily stray there and back. But Tigerstar made it clear they'd shred one another if they crossed the borders, so it's similar to the living cats. Flametail is another example, a StarClan cat that got lost in the Dark Forest and was almost killed again for it. StarClan cats are also not really much different from living cats, they're just dead and receive prophecies. Sometimes even they don't know what they truly mean, and as the three proved, they can't forge everything, even the three were more powerful than them. They can also act like a bunch of kits and put borders among themselves. no, i mean dead cats. a cat that went to starclan / the dark forest in the afterlife. Flametail and Beetlewhisker were both dead, lol. Beetlewhisker was killed in the Dark Forest and it was said he'd reside in the Dark Forest forever, but then later Erin confirmed his spirit did go to StarClan, somehow. I wonder how that works. And Flametail was already dead when he wondered into the Dark Forest and was almost attacked by Ivypool, eventually he made it back to StarClan. Also, Spottedleaf, a dead cat, crossed into the Dark Forest, to retrieve Jayfeather, she had to have special permission, that wasn't the only time either. I think another time, was it Yellowfang? Someone took Jayfeather with them to go spy on the Dark Forest. So yeah, they can cross into one another's territory, so it's easily possible for a dead cat to go from StarClan to the Dark Forest or vice versa and be a resident there. However, if they're accepted or not is questionable. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 7:16:52 GMT -5
no, i mean dead cats. a cat that went to starclan / the dark forest in the afterlife. Flametail and Beetlewhisker were both dead, lol. Beetlewhisker was killed in the Dark Forest and it was said he'd reside in the Dark Forest forever, but then later Erin confirmed his spirit did go to StarClan, somehow. I wonder how that works. And Flametail was already dead when he wondered into the Dark Forest and was almost attacked by Ivypool, eventually he made it back to StarClan. Also, Spottedleaf, a dead cat, crossed into the Dark Forest, to retrieve Jayfeather, she had to have special permission, that wasn't the only time either. I think another time, was it Yellowfang? Someone took Jayfeather with them to go spy on the Dark Forest. So yeah, they can cross into one another's territory, so it's easily possible for a dead cat to go from StarClan to the Dark Forest or vice versa and be a resident there. However, if they're accepted or not is questionable. sorry for the confusion, but this is what i meant.
let's say, there was a dark forest cat. we'll call them leafbelly. leafbelly was originally a dark forest cat, he was sent there when he died. however, in the afterlife, he does something that redeems himself. for example, he saves a queen and her kits from a fox, or on a lager scale, saves a clan from destruction. would they stay in the dark forest, or could they be granted access to become a starclan member, since they've done something good ??
or in an alternate universe, leafbelly went into starclan. later, though, he decide to do something horrible. let's say, he kills a few innocent cats for no reason. would he get to stay in starclan, or would they make him go into the dark forest.
what i'm trying to say is, is it possible actions in the afterlife change whether you stay in starclan or the dark forest. |
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Post by pastelpills on Dec 6, 2016 8:12:47 GMT -5
Flametail and Beetlewhisker were both dead, lol. Beetlewhisker was killed in the Dark Forest and it was said he'd reside in the Dark Forest forever, but then later Erin confirmed his spirit did go to StarClan, somehow. I wonder how that works. And Flametail was already dead when he wondered into the Dark Forest and was almost attacked by Ivypool, eventually he made it back to StarClan. Also, Spottedleaf, a dead cat, crossed into the Dark Forest, to retrieve Jayfeather, she had to have special permission, that wasn't the only time either. I think another time, was it Yellowfang? Someone took Jayfeather with them to go spy on the Dark Forest. So yeah, they can cross into one another's territory, so it's easily possible for a dead cat to go from StarClan to the Dark Forest or vice versa and be a resident there. However, if they're accepted or not is questionable. sorry for the confusion, but this is what i meant.
let's say, there was a dark forest cat. we'll call them leafbelly. leafbelly was originally a dark forest cat, he was sent there when he died. however, in the afterlife, he does something that redeems himself. for example, he saves a queen and her kits from a fox, or on a lager scale, saves a clan from destruction. would they stay in the dark forest, or could they be granted access to become a starclan member, since they've done something good ??
or in an alternate universe, leafbelly went into starclan. later, though, he decide to do something horrible. let's say, he kills a few innocent cats for no reason. would he get to stay in starclan, or would they make him go into the dark forest.
what i'm trying to say is, is it possible actions in the afterlife change whether you stay in starclan or the dark forest. Originally, Thistleclaw was in StarClan but Bluestar chased him away into the df (however now we know that he was always in df). From that I can tell a couple of things, first one being, yes, I think they can redeem themselves/become evil. On the other side though, it seems like it doesn't concern the rest of StarClan. Let's say that Leafbelly was originally in StarClan. But they were viewed as evil by one of the cats and the cat decided to chase them over to the dark forest. They wouldn't have any problems with it, because franky, nobody would care except their family members and such. |
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Dec 6, 2016 13:29:49 GMT -5
sorry for the confusion, but this is what i meant.
let's say, there was a dark forest cat. we'll call them leafbelly. leafbelly was originally a dark forest cat, he was sent there when he died. however, in the afterlife, he does something that redeems himself. for example, he saves a queen and her kits from a fox, or on a lager scale, saves a clan from destruction. would they stay in the dark forest, or could they be granted access to become a starclan member, since they've done something good ??
or in an alternate universe, leafbelly went into starclan. later, though, he decide to do something horrible. let's say, he kills a few innocent cats for no reason. would he get to stay in starclan, or would they make him go into the dark forest.
what i'm trying to say is, is it possible actions in the afterlife change whether you stay in starclan or the dark forest. Originally, Thistleclaw was in StarClan but Bluestar chased him away into the df (however now we know that he was always in df). From that I can tell a couple of things, first one being, yes, I think they can redeem themselves/become evil. On the other side though, it seems like it doesn't concern the rest of StarClan. Let's say that Leafbelly was originally in StarClan. But they were viewed as evil by one of the cats and the cat decided to chase them over to the dark forest. They wouldn't have any problems with it, because franky, nobody would care except their family members and such. Bluestar did not chase him from StarClan. |
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Post by pastelpills on Dec 6, 2016 14:12:54 GMT -5
Originally, Thistleclaw was in StarClan but Bluestar chased him away into the df (however now we know that he was always in df). From that I can tell a couple of things, first one being, yes, I think they can redeem themselves/become evil. On the other side though, it seems like it doesn't concern the rest of StarClan. Let's say that Leafbelly was originally in StarClan. But they were viewed as evil by one of the cats and the cat decided to chase them over to the dark forest. They wouldn't have any problems with it, because franky, nobody would care except their family members and such. Bluestar did not chase him from StarClan. Yes, I know. I literally stated that now we know it wasn't true and he was always in df, but when Vicky first said that Bluestar chased him out, she was hinting that something like that was possible. |
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Dec 6, 2016 15:09:02 GMT -5
Bluestar did not chase him from StarClan. Yes, I know. I literally stated that now we know it wasn't true and he was always in df, but when Vicky first said that Bluestar chased him out, she was hinting that something like that was possible. ✎ "Originally, Thistleclaw was in StarClan but Bluestar chased him away into the df (however now we know that he was always in df)."
What you said can be taken two ways. The way you said it or by that he was always in the Dark Forest by him also training there. |
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Dec 6, 2016 20:07:40 GMT -5
It would be really unlikely. If you are in StarClan, why would you want to do something evil enough to make you lose your endless hunting privileges and separate yourself from your loved ones to go to the Dark Forest. And the Dark Forest probably corrupts its members to make them more evil, so they would probably stay in the Dark Forest forever.
I'm sure it's possible, though. If a cat became evil the probably would be kicked out of StarClan and if a Dark Forest cat redeemed themselves, they could probably be invited back into StarClan. Perhaps that's how Ashfur ended up in StarClan.
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Dec 6, 2016 21:10:08 GMT -5
It would be unlikely, but I can't say it is not possible.
For example, someone made a fan fiction where Ashfur got chased to the Dark Forest because Hollyleaf appeared in Starclan and told the truth about what happened… It's something that could realistically happen, with Ashfur maybe lying his way into Starclan…
If living cats who've done horrible things in their lives can redeem themselves enough to go to Starclan (or do enough horrible things to end up in the Dark Forest), then there's no reason that can not happen to cats that are not living anymore.
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