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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2016 21:48:45 GMT -5
Who do you think will turn into an Ashfur 2.0? Bumblestripe, or Tigerheart?
Both are pretty obsessed with Dovewing (which makes me feel bad for her because that's really creepy), however, Bumblestripe seems to be handling it a little better than Tigerheart. Tigerheart is acting bitter now, and constantly watching her talking to her friends, which is really creepy and he didn't even try to move on like Dovewing did.
I don't like either of them, but I think Bumblestripe will turn out fine. It's Tigerheart who I think might turn out the wrong way.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Sept 19, 2016 21:49:30 GMT -5
Solution: Dovewing dies.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2016 21:52:54 GMT -5
Ivypool can die too, because she's overrated and gets credit for doing absolutely nothing in the Dark Forest besides training.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Sept 19, 2016 21:54:04 GMT -5
Ivypool can die too, because she's overrated and gets credit for doing absolutely nothing in the Dark Forest besides training. Nah. Dovewing should die over Ivypool. She's also overrated and pitied.
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Post by mEmE on Sept 19, 2016 21:54:50 GMT -5
I see potential in Ivypool redeeming herself and becoming a mature character. Dovewing deserves to drink bleach
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2016 21:55:27 GMT -5
Ivypool can die too, because she's overrated and gets credit for doing absolutely nothing in the Dark Forest besides training. Nah. Dovewing should die over Ivypool. She's also overrated and pitied.The Erins can kill off both characters because both Ivypool and Dovewing are poorly written and were useless to the plot.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Sept 19, 2016 21:55:55 GMT -5
I see potential in Ivypool redeeming herself and becoming a mature character. Dovewing deserves to drink bleach I think she's already redeemed herself and is quite mature.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Sept 19, 2016 21:57:30 GMT -5
Nah. Dovewing should die over Ivypool. She's also overrated and pitied. The Erins can kill off both characters because both Ivypool and Dovewing are poorly written and were useless to the plot. But Ivypool currently has a small little plot going while Dovewing is having her rehashed plot no one wants. It'd be way more interesting to end Dovewing's arc with her dying somewhat young. Besides, we may get Ivystar.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2016 22:05:29 GMT -5
The Erins can kill off both characters because both Ivypool and Dovewing are poorly written and were useless to the plot. But Ivypool currently has a small little plot going while Dovewing is having her rehashed plot no one wants. It'd be way more interesting to end Dovewing's arc with her dying somewhat young. Besides, we may get Ivystar.Having a mate and kittens isn't important to the plot. Ivypool's story is done. I doubt the Erins are going to use her with a POV or something major like they did in OotS. Dovewing's actually still trying to avoid Tigerheart. It's been shown in the recent book that she's talking to Bumblestripe (I think?) while Tigerheart is being a creep and looking at her in ThunderClan.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Sept 19, 2016 22:12:51 GMT -5
But Ivypool currently has a small little plot going while Dovewing is having her rehashed plot no one wants. It'd be way more interesting to end Dovewing's arc with her dying somewhat young. Besides, we may get Ivystar. Having a mate and kittens isn't important to the plot. Ivypool's story is done. I doubt the Erins are going to use her with a POV or something major like they did in OotS. Dovewing's actually still trying to avoid Tigerheart. It's been shown in the recent book that she's talking to Bumblestripe (I think?) while Tigerheart is being a creep and looking at her in ThunderClan. It apparently was for Dovewing. Ivypool's story isn't really done. Especially with how they're making attempts to continue her arc. There is far more potential for her than Dovewing. Ivypool could be a key background character for Twigpaw, while Dovewing is just white noise.
Still, it's the same old plot and it's quite tiring. Her story is done. There's nothing left for her to do.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2016 22:15:11 GMT -5
I wish the Erins just dropped both characters, and especially Leafpool's... tell me again why Leafpool is still alive?
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Post by tiger beetle on Sept 19, 2016 22:16:18 GMT -5
it was looking like Bumblestripe was heading a less violent Ashfur-type path (I don't think he'd have attacked her family, but there was a lot of guilt-tripping present)...but Tigerheart has rapidly taken on shades of Ashfur too
which is disappointing, because (whether you like him or not!) I thought Tigerheart was one of the better-written characters (a little childish at times, selfish, but did deeply care for his Clan, just he couldn't seem to grasp how serious Clan life was?) and that doesn't really seem to fit...but if it happens and it's handled well in the plot then sure
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Sept 19, 2016 22:16:33 GMT -5
Leafpool and Dovewing need to go. I see potential for Ivypool and I don't want Squirrelflight leaving just yet. I want Leafpool to go first because there is no reason for her to be alive or a medicine cat.
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Sept 19, 2016 22:21:22 GMT -5
I hope neither. Ashfur was a great character because his evilness was a shock to us, even though there were hints at it and his dramatic speech made the moment even more interesting. If a character like him is done again, it won't have the same shocking effect it had with Ashfur and the character would be old and boring.
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Post by tiger beetle on Sept 19, 2016 22:23:20 GMT -5
I hope neither. Ashfur was a great character because his evilness was a shock to us, even though there were hints at it and his dramatic speech made the moment even more interesting. If a character like him is done again, it won't have the same shocking effect it had with Ashfur and the character would be old and boring. I do hope neither, but I could maybe see them trying to sate the fans who are still mad about the resolution of the Ashfur plotline
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2016 22:26:35 GMT -5
Leafpool and Dovewing need to go. I see potential for Ivypool and I don't want Squirrelflight leaving just yet. I want Leafpool to go first because there is no reason for her to be alive or a medicine cat. Dovewing is fine. If Ivypool has a story, then Dovewing should be allowed to stay for a little while. She seems to care for her sister and that's something nice Ivypool should have. Lionblaze should go, though. If I am correct, he was barely mentioned in Thunder and Shadow at all. I agree though, Leafpool needs to go. Her story is long over and having three medicine cats isn't necessary.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Sept 19, 2016 22:32:15 GMT -5
But it'd be interesting to see Ivypool deal with the loss of her sister, as well as the Clan losing one of the "three." Lionblaze could die as well, but maybe after a second LionxCinder litter to break up the pattern of main characters only having one litter. Exactly, it's just stupid.. Losing all three of them in a battle would be intriguing and a surprise, though. Killing three main characters in one swipe could pull readers' interests and maybe bring the series back on track more.
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Post by tiger beetle on Sept 19, 2016 22:34:26 GMT -5
while I don't want Ivypool to die, I actually think it would be more interesting to see Dovewing cope with losing Ivypool than the other way around
and maybe give her Twigpaw too--with Twigpaw already knowing about the DovexTiger episode...and while Dovewing is grieving too...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2016 22:35:16 GMT -5
Wouldn't losing Dovewing just break Ivypool though? I know Ivypool's done wrong things, and I don't like her, but I've always believed that she does love her sister. Losing Dovewing may ruin Ivypool's strong personality.
However, I thought she'd lose her personality with Fernsong, and she turned out okay. But I still don't think continuing Ivypool's story was necessary. She's already had an apprentice - why did the Erins give her another one? What about Berrynose, Dovewing, Rosepetal, or some other characters who have been warriors? I am surprised Lionblaze didn't get another apprentice.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2016 22:37:03 GMT -5
while I don't want Ivypool to die, I actually think it would be more interesting to see Dovewing cope with losing Ivypool than the other way around and maybe give her Twigpaw too--with Twigpaw already knowing about the DovexTiger episode...and while Dovewing is grieving too... Dovewing would break entirely. She's weaker than her sister. I don't think she has a strong personality, even though she's maturing more.
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Post by tiger beetle on Sept 19, 2016 22:38:46 GMT -5
while I don't want Ivypool to die, I actually think it would be more interesting to see Dovewing cope with losing Ivypool than the other way around and maybe give her Twigpaw too--with Twigpaw already knowing about the DovexTiger episode...and while Dovewing is grieving too... Dovewing would break entirely. She's weaker than her sister. I don't think she has a strong personality, even though she's maturing more. it would definitely hurt her a lot, but I do think she's come far enough that she wouldn't outright break I can see what you're saying, too...I'm just saying if I were writing it and I wanted to kill one I would kill Ivypool
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Post by Ligerfrost on Sept 19, 2016 22:39:38 GMT -5
Neither
Bumblestripe was clingy but not so much anymore.
Tigerheart is behaving more like Graystripe and Bramblestar. When Graystripe was with Silverstream he was always looking for her and trying to find a way to talk to her. And in New Prophecy Bramblestar acted cold toward Squirrelflight even though he still wanted to get back with her. Tigerheart is a more immature version of Bramblestar in my opinion.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Sept 19, 2016 22:40:44 GMT -5
Rosepetal has already trained cats. And some cats aren't fit to mentor apprentices. And if any cats deserves to get an apprentice before Dovewing, it's Birchfall.
I think it would make her stronger, making her put on a front to appear fine. It would also show how much she's developed, pushing her emotions past her.
But for right now, Ivypool has way more potential than Dovewing, who simply has tom trouble while Ivypool already has a few places to go right now and it could build her. Plus taking in the fact Kate likes the idea of Ivystar, it'd be surprising and upsetting to see Ivypool die young now. She's the only character I see fit to lead ThunderClan right now.
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Post by Bramblestar on Sept 19, 2016 23:50:35 GMT -5
I think one of them might kill the other over Dovewing but, she'll just reject whoever survives because of that. The chances of this happening get better the longer the remnants of Shadowclan stay with Thunderclan.
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Post by kinkajou on Sept 20, 2016 5:46:22 GMT -5
I can't see either being Ashfurs
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Post by DekuKitty on Sept 20, 2016 9:09:19 GMT -5
Tigerheart asks if Dovewing is with a ThunderClan patrol and gets disappointed when she isn't. Several members of ThunderClan point out that Dovewing really shouldn't be around Tigerheart. The guy is creepily obsessed with Dovewing, and he's got the makings of a psycho.
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Post by VidyTheFox on Sept 20, 2016 16:01:38 GMT -5
Honestly, even though its looking like Tigerheart will break a little if Dovewing ends up with Bumblestripe, it would be interesting to see Bumblestripe acting up and give him a bit more personality. Although, I don't want a complete rewrite of Ashfur.
Or who knows, some hot tom shows up and Dovewing ends up being his mate.
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