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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 29, 2019 15:49:50 GMT -5
I definitely loved this book even more than LS. All three main characters were great, and I'm glad that both Rootpaw and Bristlefrost aren't as focused on their respective unrequited crushes in this book compared to the previous one. I also liked how Rootpaw is beginning to have a closer relationship with Tree, and Bristlefrost's chapters were definitely my favorite this time around. In fact, I'm not at all surprised that her story went in this direction after reading the preview for the first time. I also love Shadowsight's name.
Bumblestripe was somehow able to annoy me even more in this book (wanting to be deputy is fine, it's making a bid for it while Squirrelflight was right there is what I found to be inappropriate. Berrynose being made deputy, though... Still weird and funny to think about, but because him not having an apprentice is never brought up, I'm going to assume that either the Erins forgot or this'll be brought up in the next book. For now, I choose to believe that he helped Larksong train Finleap, so he was more like an unofficial mentor.
I never thought I'd pity ShadowClan since so many of their cats are getting injured, and Tigerstar once again is somewhat decent in the main arc. I also love how this cats like Stemleaf and Spotfur are given more to do and how they're taking active roles in taking down the imposter. Lionblaze was also great in standing up to Bramblestar.
As for the imposter himself, there are more signs that seem like it's pointing to Ashfur, especially with the possessor trying to actually kill (or at least severely injure) Sparkpelt. It'd also be a great call-back to when Tigerclaw had killed Brindleface and led dogs to ThunderClan territory.
Overall, this was a great book. I think the only thing that actually annoyed me is when the book stated that Tigerstar was too young to remember the Great Battle even though he was one of the supporting characters in OotS and actually trained there. Suddenly his more aggressive nature makes alot more sense if Kate/the editors don't just remember him in OotS at all at least as far as the main arc is concerned.
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Post by Haze on Oct 29, 2019 16:28:24 GMT -5
I think that they made confusion in some events, mainly because they call everything "great something", the event that they mentioned Squirrelflight is most likely the Great Journey to the lake, the one that clans fought each other was the Lionclan x Tigerclan battle, these two Tigerstar II was indeed not born yet. I think that the only mention of that battle was when Tree talked about it.
Anyway, I think that Shadowsight body will be possessed as well, Fakestar needs the support of a medicine cat to continue to use the "Starclan wants cats to follow the warrior codespoiler excuse, or it will not stick.
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Post by morningflower on Oct 29, 2019 21:10:27 GMT -5
I think considering everything it would have been funnier if Bumblestripe became deputy, but only after he'd told Framblestar his backstory
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Post by vectoring34 on Oct 30, 2019 19:13:09 GMT -5
Amazing book, keeps the tension going the whole way through and is just as genuinely scary as the last one. The tone of the book is solidified the moment that the ghost is described as an "it". Combined with that scene of the Darkness in the Moonpool(there's definitely more than just one ghost at work here unless he can be in two places at once, given there was a presence there) and the sense of Gothic horror is maintained, this alien abomination infiltrating their society and aping their norms when in reality it's a monster. This kind of horror also applies well to the fear Rootpaw feels as he's haunted, thinking he's going insane. At the same time though, it throws in a double punch with that mob mentality making the clans into a monster in and of themselves. Not the clans rather, but this faceless Crowd that chant and scream when Bramblestar speaks, and they are effective.
Beyond the horror, the characters are also all done well. They initially disbelieve in the plot, but they quickly catch on and start taking action, which is really refreshing. It makes me a little sad that Bristlefrost didn't spend longer as a spy for Bramblestar, it'd have been cool if she was more of a baddie. Still though, her realizing it makes sense. The dawning horror as she realizes what's happening really plays off well. Rootpaw is utterly loathesome in this book with how useless he is and selfish, but at the same time, you really do have to pity him for how difficult his situation is. He's bad, but he's a good character to read for the conflict he goes through. Likewise with Shadowsight. Much must be said for the side characters too, who do react realistically and attempt to stand up to Bramblestar(except for poor Berrynose).
In short an excellent continuation to the series and very appropriate for Halloween with the frightening nature of it. 10 spooks out of 10 for me, very intrigued to see how it continues. I want to see what manner of being is in the Darkness and helped Ashfur to escape.
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Post by hazelstar on Oct 30, 2019 19:29:08 GMT -5
Amazing book, keeps the tension going the whole way through and is just as genuinely scary as the last one. The tone of the book is solidified the moment that the ghost is described as an "it". Combined with that scene of the Darkness in the Moonpool(there's definitely more than just one ghost at work here unless he can be in two places at once, given there was a presence there) and the sense of Gothic horror is maintained, this alien abomination infiltrating their society and aping their norms when in reality it's a monster. This kind of horror also applies well to the fear Rootpaw feels as he's haunted, thinking he's going insane. At the same time though, it throws in a double punch with that mob mentality making the clans into a monster in and of themselves. Not the clans rather, but this faceless Crowd that chant and scream when Bramblestar speaks, and they are effective.
Beyond the horror, the characters are also all done well. They initially disbelieve in the plot, but they quickly catch on and start taking action, which is really refreshing. It makes me a little sad that Bristlefrost didn't spend longer as a spy for Bramblestar, it'd have been cool if she was more of a baddie. Still though, her realizing it makes sense. The dawning horror as she realizes what's happening really plays off well. Rootpaw is utterly loathesome in this book with how useless he is and selfish, but at the same time, you really do have to pity him for how difficult his situation is. He's bad, but he's a good character to read for the conflict he goes through. Likewise with Shadowsight. Much must be said for the side characters too, who do react realistically and attempt to stand up to Bramblestar(except for poor Berrynose).
In short an excellent continuation to the series and very appropriate for Halloween with the frightening nature of it. 10 spooks out of 10 for me, very intrigued to see how it continues. I want to see what manner of being is in the Darkness and helped Ashfur to escape. I just received my copy today, and this made me more excited to read it
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Post by hazelstar on Oct 30, 2019 19:37:46 GMT -5
Amazing book, keeps the tension going the whole way through and is just as genuinely scary as the last one. The tone of the book is solidified the moment that the ghost is described as an "it". Combined with that scene of the Darkness in the Moonpool(there's definitely more than just one ghost at work here unless he can be in two places at once, given there was a presence there) and the sense of Gothic horror is maintained, this alien abomination infiltrating their society and aping their norms when in reality it's a monster. This kind of horror also applies well to the fear Rootpaw feels as he's haunted, thinking he's going insane. At the same time though, it throws in a double punch with that mob mentality making the clans into a monster in and of themselves. Not the clans rather, but this faceless Crowd that chant and scream when Bramblestar speaks, and they are effective. Beyond the horror, the characters are also all done well. They initially disbelieve in the plot, but they quickly catch on and start taking action, which is really refreshing. It makes me a little sad that Bristlefrost didn't spend longer as a spy for Bramblestar, it'd have been cool if she was more of a baddie. Still though, her realizing it makes sense. The dawning horror as she realizes what's happening really plays off well. Rootpaw is utterly loathesome in this book with how useless he is and selfish, but at the same time, you really do have to pity him for how difficult his situation is. He's bad, but he's a good character to read for the conflict he goes through. Likewise with Shadowsight. Much must be said for the side characters too, who do react realistically and attempt to stand up to Bramblestar(except for poor Berrynose). In short an excellent continuation to the series and very appropriate for Halloween with the frightening nature of it. 10 spooks out of 10 for me, very intrigued to see how it continues. I want to see what manner of being is in the Darkness and helped Ashfur to escape. I just received my copy today, and this made me more excited to read it I do have a question: As a huge horror fan who is a sucker for a tense and dark atmosphere, I was wondering if I could get some examples? I don't mind spoilers. Was it creepy, or scary? Cause there's a difference. And thank you I appreciate this I'm glad you enjoyed the book!
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Post by vectoring34 on Oct 30, 2019 19:41:28 GMT -5
I just received my copy today, and this made me more excited to read it I do have a question: As a huge horror fan who is a sucker for a tense and dark atmosphere, I was wondering if I could get some examples? I don't mind spoilers. Was it creepy, or scary? Cause there's a difference. And thank you I appreciate this I'm glad you enjoyed the book! There's a scene where Shadowsight returns to the Moonpool and it's described as basically being this awful black void with some THING watching him from inside of it. It's not a very long scene, but the sheer fact that he stares into the darkness and something stares back definitely lingers. I'd argue the supernatural aspects run more creepy with the ghost being insanely predatory as it hovers over the other cats and in general jerks around Bramblestar's body like it's a puppet(that he forgets so many thing is unsettling, like he's rotting him from within). The scary parts are more with the mob justice parts like everyone chanting Atone at a gathering like it's an authoritarian rally. The ghost in general is just scary as a speaker, basically going on unhinged rants constantly.
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Post by hazelstar on Oct 30, 2019 19:47:58 GMT -5
I do have a question: As a huge horror fan who is a sucker for a tense and dark atmosphere, I was wondering if I could get some examples? I don't mind spoilers. Was it creepy, or scary? Cause there's a difference. And thank you I appreciate this I'm glad you enjoyed the book! There's a scene where Shadowsight returns to the Moonpool and it's described as basically being this awful black void with some THING watching him from inside of it. It's not a very long scene, but the sheer fact that he stares into the darkness and something stares back definitely lingers. I'd argue the supernatural aspects run more creepy with the ghost being insanely predatory as it hovers over the other cats and in general jerks around Bramblestar's body like it's a puppet(that he forgets so many thing is unsettling, like he's rotting him from within). The scary parts are more with the mob justice parts like everyone chanting Atone at a gathering like it's an authoritarian rally. The ghost in general is just scary as a speaker, basically going on unhinged rants constantly. It jerks Bramblestar's body around? That's pretty creepy to think about, but also cool. By the sound of it, there's probably more than one spirit at play here... Ashfur is definitely one of them though. I hope the Erins have a decent explanation as to why something like this is happening to the Clans when it has never happened before. And honestly, I wouldn't be surprised -- in fact I hope -- that this spirit destroys Bramblestar's body so bad he is unable to return even if the possessor is expelled from Bramblestar's body. They may just have to find a way to send Bramblestar to StarClan as opposed to him getting his body back or left to wonder aimlessly.
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Post by vectoring34 on Oct 30, 2019 19:52:57 GMT -5
There's a scene where Shadowsight returns to the Moonpool and it's described as basically being this awful black void with some THING watching him from inside of it. It's not a very long scene, but the sheer fact that he stares into the darkness and something stares back definitely lingers. I'd argue the supernatural aspects run more creepy with the ghost being insanely predatory as it hovers over the other cats and in general jerks around Bramblestar's body like it's a puppet(that he forgets so many thing is unsettling, like he's rotting him from within). The scary parts are more with the mob justice parts like everyone chanting Atone at a gathering like it's an authoritarian rally. The ghost in general is just scary as a speaker, basically going on unhinged rants constantly. It jerks Bramblestar's body around? That's pretty creepy to think about, but also cool. By the sound of it, there's probably more than one spirit at play here... Ashfur is definitely one of them though. I hope the Erins have a decent explanation as to why something like this is happening to the Clans when it has never happened before. And honestly, I wouldn't be surprised -- in fact I hope -- that this spirit destroys Bramblestar's body so bad he is unable to return even if the possessor is expelled from Bramblestar's body. They may just have to find a way to send Bramblestar to StarClan as opposed to him getting his body back or left wonder aimlessly. It doesn't jerk him around explicitly, but his movements and everything are written incredibly violently. Everything is either him being a creep and being way too nice or else screaming and with tense muscles. He goes from 0-100 incredibly quickly and generally just seems like he's a string away from killing someone. It's hard to explain, but he's just described in a fashion that's very, well, for lack of better word, animalistic.
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Post by hazelstar on Oct 30, 2019 19:57:32 GMT -5
It jerks Bramblestar's body around? That's pretty creepy to think about, but also cool. By the sound of it, there's probably more than one spirit at play here... Ashfur is definitely one of them though. I hope the Erins have a decent explanation as to why something like this is happening to the Clans when it has never happened before. And honestly, I wouldn't be surprised -- in fact I hope -- that this spirit destroys Bramblestar's body so bad he is unable to return even if the possessor is expelled from Bramblestar's body. They may just have to find a way to send Bramblestar to StarClan as opposed to him getting his body back or left wonder aimlessly. It doesn't jerk him around explicitly, but his movements and everything are written incredibly violently. Everything is either him being a creep and being way too nice or else screaming and with tense muscles. He goes from 0-100 incredibly quickly and generally just seems like he's a string away from killing someone. It's hard to explain, but he's just described in a fashion that's very, well, for lack of better word, animalistic. I never thought the Erins would do something like this, but I'm glad they did. Sounds like this spirit is bipolar af. I wonder if anyone else has been possessed so far?
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Post by Sundance on Nov 1, 2019 1:25:37 GMT -5
Amazing book, keeps the tension going the whole way through and is just as genuinely scary as the last one. The tone of the book is solidified the moment that the ghost is described as an "it". Combined with that scene of the Darkness in the Moonpool(there's definitely more than just one ghost at work here unless he can be in two places at once, given there was a presence there) and the sense of Gothic horror is maintained, this alien abomination infiltrating their society and aping their norms when in reality it's a monster. This kind of horror also applies well to the fear Rootpaw feels as he's haunted, thinking he's going insane. At the same time though, it throws in a double punch with that mob mentality making the clans into a monster in and of themselves. Not the clans rather, but this faceless Crowd that chant and scream when Bramblestar speaks, and they are effective.
Beyond the horror, the characters are also all done well. They initially disbelieve in the plot, but they quickly catch on and start taking action, which is really refreshing. It makes me a little sad that Bristlefrost didn't spend longer as a spy for Bramblestar, it'd have been cool if she was more of a baddie. Still though, her realizing it makes sense. The dawning horror as she realizes what's happening really plays off well. Rootpaw is utterly loathesome in this book with how useless he is and selfish, but at the same time, you really do have to pity him for how difficult his situation is. He's bad, but he's a good character to read for the conflict he goes through. Likewise with Shadowsight. Much must be said for the side characters too, who do react realistically and attempt to stand up to Bramblestar(except for poor Berrynose).
In short an excellent continuation to the series and very appropriate for Halloween with the frightening nature of it. 10 spooks out of 10 for me, very intrigued to see how it continues. I want to see what manner of being is in the Darkness and helped Ashfur to escape. Unrelated to The Silent Thaw, but I just gotta say I love all your posts, Vectoring. They’re always so brilliant. I make a note to read them if I see your name in a thread. Your insight, incredible.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 1, 2019 8:01:48 GMT -5
Hmmm....that's makes me wonder...if there is more than one accomplice here...who would it possibly be...? I'm still seeing people think it's Ashfur, I too think it is him as well. But as for a possible helper, I'm not sure, I'm a bit stumped there. Unless it's a living cat, I have no good guesses.
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Post by jayfeather1234 on Nov 1, 2019 8:30:28 GMT -5
I think that they made confusion in some events, mainly because they call everything "great something", the event that they mentioned Squirrelflight is most likely the Great Journey to the lake, the one that clans fought each other was the Lionclan x Tigerclan battle, these two Tigerstar II was indeed not born yet. I think that the only mention of that battle was when Tree talked about it.
Anyway, I think that Shadowsight body will be possessed as well, Fakestar needs the support of a medicine cat to continue to use the "Starclan wants cats to follow the warrior codespoiler excuse, or it will not stick. I created a list of great battles in warriors and gave them each separate names: The Darkest Hour- Great Battle- The Battle of Blood The Last Hope- Great Battle- The War of Vengeance. The Third book in dawn of the clans- The Great Battle- The Battle of The Brothers. (Clear Sky and Gray Wing) Eclipse- The Great Battle- The War of The Clans. Into The Wild- Final battle- The Liberation of Shadowclan. Forest of Secrets and Rising Storm- Tigerstar’s Rebellion. Fire and Ice- Brokenstar battle- The Fall of Brokenstar. Thunder and Shadow and Shattered Sky- The War of The Kin. Is there any that I missed?
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 1, 2019 13:17:06 GMT -5
Hmmm....that's makes me wonder...if there is more than one accomplice here...who would it possibly be...? I'm still seeing people think it's Ashfur, I too think it is him as well. But as for a possible helper, I'm not sure, I'm a bit stumped there. Unless it's a living cat, I have no good guesses. I'm open to the possibility of an accomplice as well, and I've even brought it up a few times before. Either another spirit has indeed been helping him and that probably explains the trouble in ShadowClan, or it's just a coincidence that so many of their cats have gotten hurt in such a short amount of time and the possessor is truly only working alone.
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Post by Mistybreeze on Nov 1, 2019 15:01:44 GMT -5
Hmmm....that's makes me wonder...if there is more than one accomplice here...who would it possibly be...? I'm still seeing people think it's Ashfur, I too think it is him as well. But as for a possible helper, I'm not sure, I'm a bit stumped there. Unless it's a living cat, I have no good guesses. I think the branch incident makes it pretty clear there is an accomplice. A perfectly healthy branch that is heavy enough to serious injure cats just happens to fall when a patrol is under it? Sure, you could explain it away as a freak accident. But under these circumstances? It's pretty suspicious at best. As to who it is....I'm starting to suspect Darktail. He died fairly recently, he wouldn't get into StarClan, and has every reason to take revenge on Bramblestar. He's lived with the Clans for awhile too, so it's possible he's heard about the code breakers. Or maybe his co-conspirator told him about them. A lot of Bramblefake's actions are similar to what Darktail did. Created an inner circle of followers, severely punish dissenters, neglect the elders, etc. They aren't anywhere near as severe as what he did, but it's possible Darktail learned from his mistakes. Darktail is a very cunning and intelligent villain after all.
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Post by vectoring34 on Nov 1, 2019 17:14:29 GMT -5
There HAS to be an accomplice because when Shadowsight was at the Moonpool, he felt someone else there watching him. It can't have been Bramblestar, so there's some other spirit involved.
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Post by Neekwanakwaki (Cloud) on Nov 2, 2019 1:40:46 GMT -5
There HAS to be an accomplice because when Shadowsight was at the Moonpool, he felt someone else there watching him. It can't have been Bramblestar, so there's some other spirit involved. I want to believe it's Bumblestripe, considering how upset he was when Dovewing officially became mates with Tigerstar and moving to ShadowClan.
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Post by Neekwanakwaki (Cloud) on Nov 2, 2019 1:51:45 GMT -5
If somehow there are two spirits sharing Bramblestar's body, it would have to be Ashfur and Darktail.
The reason for Darktail is because of how manipulating he was with Violetpaw/shine when he convinced her that Needletail would be okay if she told him everything. This same behavior, and his tone of voice being 'cool' and 'silky' is another indicator. He almost always used a false calm and controlled attitude until something upset him. Bramblefake is shown manipulating Bristlefrost almost the same way.
Darktail has also never seen the ThunderClan camp, which may be why his curiousity is shown in seeing the camp after Bramblestar's body is taken over.
Darktail also used fear in controlling the Kin. This is the same situation happening with Bramblefake when he calls the emergency meeting and calls for the 'codebreakers' to be 'punished' or StarClan won't return. Fear would make the Clans easier to control.
He may be targeting only ThunderClan cats (Besides Mothwing and Crowfeather *Dovewing doesn't count as she came from ThunderClan*) because it was the only Clan Darktail and the Kin never 'defeated'.
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Post by vectoring34 on Nov 2, 2019 9:49:22 GMT -5
There HAS to be an accomplice because when Shadowsight was at the Moonpool, he felt someone else there watching him. It can't have been Bramblestar, so there's some other spirit involved. I want to believe it's Bumblestripe, considering how upset he was when Dovewing officially became mates with Tigerstar and moving to ShadowClan. I don't think Shadowsight would describe Bumblestripe as a dark presence. He's not mystical enough for that. On the subject of Darktail, the problem remains of why he's not targeting Skyclan.
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Post by sylveon on Nov 2, 2019 13:35:06 GMT -5
Reading through this thread made a new theory pop up in my head. What if it's Sol working with Ashfur (or whoever is possessing.) I feel like this would work pretty well. Spoilers for TST, SqH He should be dead by now so he would fit well with the vengeful spirit possessing and hauntings, so he would be able to do most things besides attacking Shadowsight. The way ghosts interact with the word is really strange and not concrete. Iirc Squirrelflight managed to scare a squirrel to try and send a message when she was a ghost. So if they can interact with certain things, he could have made the branch fall to hurt the ShadowClan patrol. But it would also work if, in the classic Erins fashion, he is still alive but somehow working with Ashfur. It wouldn't be surprising if they threw in some kind of twist like him being able to see ghosts as well. He could still torment ShadowClan and be Shadowsight's attacker.
Here's the reasons I feel Sol might be involved, dead or alive:
Sol has a reason to hate all the Clans. We've seen him twice attempting to destroy the Clans from within. He also has beef with ShadowClan and ThunderClan in specific, both who seem to be the most impacted so far. A crazy spin could have him as some kind of mastermind behind this, pulling the strings and helping Ashfur in his revenge. Sol hates the warrior code and StarClan, when he stayed in ShadowClan he convinced Blackstar to abandon both, which ended in failure. He has been shown as an extremely clever cat so it wouldn't be too far fetched for him to take on a new way to destroy the warrior code. With "Bramblestar" screaming about the Code, strictly punishing any cat who breaks any rule and claiming to be the voice of StarClan, we're already seeing cats taking sides on both extremes. Which better way to destroy the Clans then to use their precious Warrior Code and StarClan against them?
I hope this makes sense, my brain goes 1000x per hour
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Post by vectoring34 on Nov 2, 2019 13:48:53 GMT -5
Reading through this thread made a new theory pop up in my head. What if it's Sol working with Ashfur (or whoever is possessing.) I feel like this would work pretty well. Spoilers for TST, SqH He should be dead by now so he would fit well with the vengeful spirit possessing and hauntings, so he would be able to do most things besides attacking Shadowsight. The way ghosts interact with the word is really strange and not concrete. Iirc Squirrelflight managed to scare a squirrel to try and send a message when she was a ghost. So if they can interact with certain things, he could have made the branch fall to hurt the ShadowClan patrol. But it would also work if, in the classic Erins fashion, he is still alive but somehow working with Ashfur. It wouldn't be surprising if they threw in some kind of twist like him being able to see ghosts as well. He could still torment ShadowClan and be Shadowsight's attacker.
Here's the reasons I feel Sol might be involved, dead or alive:
Sol has a reason to hate all the Clans. We've seen him twice attempting to destroy the Clans from within. He also has beef with ShadowClan and ThunderClan in specific, both who seem to be the most impacted so far. A crazy spin could have him as some kind of mastermind behind this, pulling the strings and helping Ashfur in his revenge. Sol hates the warrior code and StarClan, when he stayed in ShadowClan he convinced Blackstar to abandon both, which ended in failure. He has been shown as an extremely clever cat so it wouldn't be too far fetched for him to take on a new way to destroy the warrior code. With "Bramblestar" screaming about the Code, strictly punishing any cat who breaks any rule and claiming to be the voice of StarClan, we're already seeing cats taking sides on both extremes. Which better way to destroy the Clans then to use their precious Warrior Code and StarClan against them?
I hope this makes sense, my brain goes 1000x per hour
If it was Sol, wouldn't he target Skyclan as well? Rather, ESPECIALLY Skyclan?
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on Nov 2, 2019 14:07:40 GMT -5
Reading through this thread made a new theory pop up in my head. What if it's Sol working with Ashfur (or whoever is possessing.) I feel like this would work pretty well. Spoilers for TST, SqH He should be dead by now so he would fit well with the vengeful spirit possessing and hauntings, so he would be able to do most things besides attacking Shadowsight. The way ghosts interact with the word is really strange and not concrete. Iirc Squirrelflight managed to scare a squirrel to try and send a message when she was a ghost. So if they can interact with certain things, he could have made the branch fall to hurt the ShadowClan patrol. But it would also work if, in the classic Erins fashion, he is still alive but somehow working with Ashfur. It wouldn't be surprising if they threw in some kind of twist like him being able to see ghosts as well. He could still torment ShadowClan and be Shadowsight's attacker.
Here's the reasons I feel Sol might be involved, dead or alive:
Sol has a reason to hate all the Clans. We've seen him twice attempting to destroy the Clans from within. He also has beef with ShadowClan and ThunderClan in specific, both who seem to be the most impacted so far. A crazy spin could have him as some kind of mastermind behind this, pulling the strings and helping Ashfur in his revenge. Sol hates the warrior code and StarClan, when he stayed in ShadowClan he convinced Blackstar to abandon both, which ended in failure. He has been shown as an extremely clever cat so it wouldn't be too far fetched for him to take on a new way to destroy the warrior code. With "Bramblestar" screaming about the Code, strictly punishing any cat who breaks any rule and claiming to be the voice of StarClan, we're already seeing cats taking sides on both extremes. Which better way to destroy the Clans then to use their precious Warrior Code and StarClan against them?
I hope this makes sense, my brain goes 1000x per hour
If it was Sol, wouldn't he target Skyclan as well? Rather, ESPECIALLY Skyclan? I think it might be Sol also. If it is though it would be weird not doing anything to Skyclan. That could still change though in the future books.
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Post by sylveon on Nov 2, 2019 14:14:00 GMT -5
If it was Sol, wouldn't he target Skyclan as well? Rather, ESPECIALLY Skyclan? I think it might be Sol also. If it is though it would be weird not doing anything to Skyclan. That could still change though in the future books. SkyClan doesn't have any cats that can be accused of being a code breaker, besides Tree. I think it's going to hit SkyClan soon as well. Leafstar was pretty pissed when Bramblestar tried to punish Tree for speaking out.
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on Nov 2, 2019 15:16:31 GMT -5
I think it might be Sol also. If it is though it would be weird not doing anything to Skyclan. That could still change though in the future books. SkyClan doesn't have any cats that can be accused of being a code breaker, besides Tree. I think it's going to hit SkyClan soon as well. Leafstar was pretty pissed when Bramblestar tried to punish Tree for speaking out. True.
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Post by Mistybreeze on Nov 2, 2019 17:09:38 GMT -5
I want to believe it's Bumblestripe, considering how upset he was when Dovewing officially became mates with Tigerstar and moving to ShadowClan. I don't think Shadowsight would describe Bumblestripe as a dark presence. He's not mystical enough for that. On the subject of Darktail, the problem remains of why he's not targeting Skyclan. ShadowClan is an easy target. Everyone hates them and wouldn't care if a bunch of their warriors were injured or killed. And I highly doubt SkyClan will be left alone for much longer.
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Post by barberz on Nov 3, 2019 23:39:14 GMT -5
So I've been reading this for a while now, and I've come up with a theory on who is possessing Bramblestar/ who is helping.
1st - Ashfur. Fakestar has a similar personality with Ashfur and has that relationship. Also, Ashfur has a reason to hate out of all clans, Thunderclan, and especially Firestars kin.
2nd - Darktail. Like you guys said, he has that cool and silky tone, as stated in the book, and also the Fake is employing similar tactics when it comes to how he is destroying the clans.
3rd - Sol. Now this is my favorite theory. I think Sol is the reason they could get into BStars body in the first place. He had to either have some supernatural force helping him guess the Eclipse for example (Or he just is good at guessing.) Another thing to note is that he persuaded a whole clan to follow him just with words, and no violence whatsoever. I think he is the one that was talking to Shadowsight, because who can do it better. I also think he managed to figure out how to block Starclan out, kinda like Oots I'm pretty sure, where they couldn't see whats happening. But instead they can't do anything.
This is just an overall theory on what you guys said, so yeah
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 3, 2019 23:56:57 GMT -5
3rd - Sol. Now this is my favorite theory. I think Sol is the reason they could get into BStars body in the first place. He had to either have some supernatural force helping him guess the Eclipse for example (Or he just is good at guessing.) Another thing to note is that he persuaded a whole clan to follow him just with words, and no violence whatsoever. I think he is the one that was talking to Shadowsight, because who can do it better. I also think he managed to figure out how to block Starclan out, kinda like Oots I'm pretty sure, where they couldn't see whats happening. But instead they can't do anything. This is just an overall theory on what you guys said, so yeah I'm pretty sure the eclipse was just a regular eclipse (somehow the cats have never seen one before PoT). If it had any supernatural element, we would've seen it by now. Also, Sol isn't the only manipulative cat in the series. Pretty much every villain knows how to do so, so Sol isn't really special in that regard either, but you're right about him being the only antagonist to take over a Clan with no bloodshed whatsoever. Also, StarClan wasn't able to see what was happening in OotS because of internal conflict, so I doubt Sol has that much power as to block out an entire afterlife unless he had help from someone on the inside. Whoever the imposter is, it's possible he's not working alone.
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Post by alphayamergo on Nov 4, 2019 0:05:09 GMT -5
The thing is with there being an alternate power shadowing out StarClan is that - well, we've already seen Cat Hell. We've seen Cat Hell at the height of its power, and it never came close to blocking out Cat Heaven. The idea that it's an outside force doesn't really make sense.
If it is Ashfur (and it definitely is), then we already have one StarClan cat in on it. A StarClan civil war would explain why Ashfur was able to manage it. Furthermore, maybe it's one of the older cats in StarClan that told him how to possess him - they'd have been around mystical stuff long enough to know, if anyone does. I also think this would work better thematically, in that it won't be so simple as, "oh, fake Bramblestar was evil and wanted to destroy the Clans, we can ignore everything he said" - if it was still a portion of StarClan behind it, it's harder to sweep the questions Brashfur raises under the rug.
But like, for all of this, SqH went ahead and completely retconned how the afterlife worked, so you know, I also wouldn't be surprised if there turns out to be An Even Badder Cat Hell that's behind it all. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 4, 2019 1:10:56 GMT -5
The thing is with there being an alternate power shadowing out StarClan is that - well, we've already seen Cat Hell. We've seen Cat Hell at the height of its power, and it never came close to blocking out Cat Heaven. The idea that it's an outside force doesn't really make sense. If it is Ashfur (and it definitely is), then we already have one StarClan cat in on it. A StarClan civil war would explain why Ashfur was able to manage it. Furthermore, maybe it's one of the older cats in StarClan that told him how to possess him - they'd have been around mystical stuff long enough to know, if anyone does. I also think this would work better thematically, in that it won't be so simple as, "oh, fake Bramblestar was evil and wanted to destroy the Clans, we can ignore everything he said" - if it was still a portion of StarClan behind it, it's harder to sweep the questions Brashfur raises under the rug. But like, for all of this, SqH went ahead and completely retconned how the afterlife worked, so you know, I also wouldn't be surprised if there turns out to be An Even Badder Cat Hell that's behind it all. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I'm glad you brought up the idea of a StarClan civil war, because I was actually thinking that as well. And even if it doesn't happen, it's still a fun concept to think about in general.
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Post by morningflower on Nov 4, 2019 1:48:33 GMT -5
I still feel like the weird way that the StarClan cats were acting in SqH will tie into TBC somehow. I know I may be giving them too much credit, but it would be really cool to see them set something up subtley. Besides, the writing quality and plotlines have been amazing in TBC so far, I wonder if they got a new editor?
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