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Post by mymerlincat on Aug 24, 2018 18:04:21 GMT -5
is she drowned by darktail?
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Post by Moonblazer on Aug 24, 2018 18:05:47 GMT -5
From what we gather, yes. It is assumed she is
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Post by Tas on Aug 24, 2018 19:40:37 GMT -5
There's nothing to suggest otherwise.
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Post by Lightflame on Aug 24, 2018 22:40:04 GMT -5
Darktail do the splishy splashy.
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Post by Brindlefern on Aug 24, 2018 22:42:42 GMT -5
It's the best assumption there is. You weren't allowed to leave the Kin without getting killed at the same time, so it's very much likely she got drowned as well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2018 22:43:56 GMT -5
Yeah, pretty much.
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Post by UnsightlyHeretic831 on Aug 24, 2018 22:47:36 GMT -5
Yeah, that's about right. The clod Darktail took his opportunity to be a jerk.
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Post by Fernstep on Aug 25, 2018 22:14:30 GMT -5
Uh, yes. We are told as much.
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Post by mymerlincat on Aug 26, 2018 0:54:30 GMT -5
how come it says unknown on warriors wiki
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Post by Showers on Aug 26, 2018 1:07:03 GMT -5
because it's warriors wiki
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Post by Brindlefern on Aug 26, 2018 3:36:43 GMT -5
how come it says unknown on warriors wiki Because the Warriors Wiki sucks. There's so much hinting that Dawnpelt died through drowning and yet they refuse to add that as her death. Heck, similar case, there's literally TWO INSTANCES I can recall that HEAVILY IMPLY that Pebbleshine possibly got hit by a car (The vision of the white cat on the Thunderpath for Twigpaw, and Hawkwing in his SE even has a dream about her that definitely implies it since he woke up abruptly right as the roar of a monster came on, which is very easy to guess that was when she got hit if you had a brain and put the pieces together) and yet they refuse to add that as a possibility and remove the "Unknown" status. Tl;Dr version: They just suck with these things in general.
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Post by Kibui on Aug 26, 2018 5:06:42 GMT -5
how come it says unknown on warriors wiki Because the Warriors Wiki sucks. There's so much hinting that Dawnpelt died through drowning and yet they refuse to add that as her death. Heck, similar case, there's literally TWO INSTANCES I can recall that HEAVILY IMPLY that Pebbleshine possibly got hit by a car (The vision of the white cat on the Thunderpath for Twigpaw, and Hawkwing in his SE even has a dream about her that definitely implies it since he woke up abruptly right as the roar of a monster came on, which is very easy to guess that was when she got hit if you had a brain and put the pieces together) and yet they refuse to add that as a possibility and remove the "Unknown" status. Tl;Dr version: They just suck with these things in general. implying =/= knowing for certain
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Post by Brindlefern on Aug 26, 2018 5:51:27 GMT -5
implying =/= knowing for certain Is there any other way to know? There's really nothing else saying they're alive. Dawnpelt isn't, and I can't say at this point Pebbleshine is either, we could've seen her by now or something. Until she's proven alive, which I'm guessing isn't likely at this point, I'm assuming she's dead, there's more leading to it. (If they do they prove me wrong, then call me dumbo :P)
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Post by Kibui on Aug 26, 2018 10:54:44 GMT -5
implying =/= knowing for certain Is there any other way to know? There's really nothing else saying they're alive. Dawnpelt isn't, and I can't say at this point Pebbleshine is either, we could've seen her by now or something. Until she's proven alive, which I'm guessing isn't likely at this point, I'm assuming she's dead, there's more leading to it. (If they do they prove me wrong, then call me dumbo )Well it's not like I don't see your point or anything because it is heavily implied like you said. The problem is that that's unfortunately not enough to write it down as a fact/in the character boxes of the wiki. If they'd do this then it becomes really hard to determine if other, lesser implied aspects should be written down like they're facts or not. I personally do think they sometimes take their "if it's not stated directly in the books we can't put in in the article" mentality a bit too far but at least for Pebbleshine I can understand why they did it since we never saw her body. The voice Twigpaw heard could've been hallucinated (like Mapleshade hallucinated her kits) and it's not outright stated that the mottled she-cat Alderheart saw in StarClan is Pebbleshine. When it comes to Dawnpelt the closest thing the books have to outright stating that Darktail drowned her (not counting Violetpaw's assumptions) is page 28 of RoF talking about how Tree helped see the dead ShadowClan cats that died because of Darktail (without specifying what roll he played in this). I'm not sure if this would be enough for the wiki but you could trying bringing this to their character discussion page (and maybe Pebbleshine's case too)? I mean that doesn't guarantee that they'll change it but at the very least you'd know about their reasons why and even if you end up not agreeing with it you'll at least have a clear concept on how they handle things and what might be the best way to improve this (also sorry for the wall of text and if this sounds rude because that's not my intention lol)
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Post by Fernstep on Aug 26, 2018 12:24:09 GMT -5
Is there any other way to know? There's really nothing else saying they're alive. Dawnpelt isn't, and I can't say at this point Pebbleshine is either, we could've seen her by now or something. Until she's proven alive, which I'm guessing isn't likely at this point, I'm assuming she's dead, there's more leading to it. (If they do they prove me wrong, then call me dumbo )Well it's not like I don't see your point or anything because it is heavily implied like you said. The problem is that that's unfortunately not enough to write it down as a fact/in the character boxes of the wiki. If they'd do this then it becomes really hard to determine if other, lesser implied aspects should be written down like they're facts or not. I personally do think they sometimes take their "if it's not stated directly in the books we can't put in in the article" mentality a bit too far but at least for Pebbleshine I can understand why they did it since we never saw her body. The voice Twigpaw heard could've been hallucinated (like Mapleshade hallucinated her kits) and it's not outright stated that the mottled she-cat Alderheart saw in StarClan is Pebbleshine. When it comes to Dawnpelt the closest thing the books have to outright stating that Darktail drowned her (not counting Violetpaw's assumptions) is page 28 of RoF talking about how Tree helped see the dead ShadowClan cats that died because of Darktail (without specifying what roll he played in this). I'm not sure if this would be enough for the wiki but you could trying bringing this to their character discussion page (and maybe Pebbleshine's case too)? I mean that doesn't guarantee that they'll change it but at the very least you'd know about their reasons why and even if you end up not agreeing with it you'll at least have a clear concept on how they handle things and what might be the best way to improve this (also sorry for the wall of text and if this sounds rude because that's not my intention lol) Those are valid points. I think the problem is that, even in absence of concrete evidence that Pebbleshine is dead, the wiki is meant to be a helpful resource informing people on what happened to various characters. She is most likely dead, and while it's fair that the wiki shouldn't be stating that she is definitely dead, they should be explaining somewhere that she probably is. A person who hasn't read Hawkwing's Journey should be able to go to Pebbleshine's page and understand the basic reality of her situation, instead of just seeing a little "Unknown".
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Post by *Faith* on Aug 26, 2018 14:57:15 GMT -5
It's implied she was drowned, yes.
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Post by xxechostarxx1 on Jan 16, 2020 20:03:34 GMT -5
It's the best assumption there is. You weren't allowed to leave the Kin without getting killed at the same time, so it's very much likely she got drowned as well. Hey actually sleekwisker caught Dawnpelt and so she and darktail killed dawnpelt
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 20:20:09 GMT -5
xxechostarxx1This thread is like 5 months old
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