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Post by Moonblazer on Nov 8, 2017 10:03:13 GMT -5
This 100 percent. I liked Rowanstar. I wish it had been a story of him regaining his clan's respect and loyalty instead of crushing him under a bus to raise a pedestal for his code-breaking son...
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Post by Mayflower on Nov 8, 2017 10:12:07 GMT -5
My only issue is, like Moonblazer said, he was torn down so that Tigerheart could be thrown into focus as this amazing, loyal, caring, strong leader...which is the opposite. We've seen almost none of those traits for Tigerheart. BUUUUTTT...I was riveted by Rowanstar's decline. We've seen other leaders slowly lose themselves in a scary, frenzied way, like with Onestar and Bluestar. There was a different desperate fall for Rowanstar. I was riveted, reading that scene in the ShadowClan camp when Willowshine and Alderheart went to tell them about the prophecy. Tawnypelt had to argue with their Clanmates for Rowanstar, because he was too scared! I was amazed at how lost and uncertain he looked. Man, I don't even like Rowanstar, but I wanted to punch Scorchfur and the others for him. Tawnypelt's defense for Rowanstar was so true -- his Clanmates brought everything on themselves, but they kept pushing it on Rowanstar. I can't blame him for giving up in the end. It must've been exhausting. I don't remember any other Clan revolting like that, except for when they chased Brokenstar off for good reason. Another thing I hate is that I fear that ShadowClan will suddenly be back in order now that Tigerheart is leader :/ Or they won't be as harsh and unforgiving on him as they were with Rowanstar. It might be under the guise of "realizing they were wrong and they had to work together, because they tore Rowanstar apart," which will annoy me immensely. Tigerheart might be praised as the cat who helped ShadowClan rise from the ashes. Sigh.
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Post by Moonblazer on Nov 8, 2017 10:24:56 GMT -5
My only issue is, like Moonblazer said, he was torn down so that Tigerheart could be thrown into focus as this amazing, loyal, caring, strong leader...which is the opposite. We've seen almost none of those traits for Tigerheart. BUUUUTTT...I was riveted by Rowanstar's decline. We've seen other leaders slowly lose themselves in a scary, frenzied way, like with Onestar and Bluestar. There was a different desperate fall for Rowanstar. I was riveted, reading that scene in the ShadowClan camp when Willowshine and Alderheart went to tell them about the prophecy. Tawnypelt had to argue with their Clanmates for Rowanstar, because he was too scared! I was amazed at how lost and uncertain he looked. Man, I don't even like Rowanstar, but I wanted to punch Scorchfur and the others for him. Tawnypelt's defense for Rowanstar was so true -- his Clanmates brought everything on themselves, but they kept pushing it on Rowanstar. I can't blame him for giving up in the end. It must've been exhausting. I don't remember any other Clan revolting like that, except for when they chased Brokenstar off for good reason. Another thing I hate is that I fear that ShadowClan will suddenly be back in order now that Tigerheart is leader :/ Or they won't be as harsh and unforgiving on him as they were with Rowanstar. It might be under the guise of "realizing they were wrong and they had to work together, because they tore Rowanstar apart," which will annoy me immensely. Tigerheart might be praised as the cat who helped ShadowClan rise from the ashes. Sigh. Preach to me further, I need it. 1000000 percent this
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 12:27:36 GMT -5
My only issue is, like Moonblazer said, he was torn down so that Tigerheart could be thrown into focus as this amazing, loyal, caring, strong leader...which is the opposite. We've seen almost none of those traits for Tigerheart. BUUUUTTT...I was riveted by Rowanstar's decline. We've seen other leaders slowly lose themselves in a scary, frenzied way, like with Onestar and Bluestar. There was a different desperate fall for Rowanstar. I was riveted, reading that scene in the ShadowClan camp when Willowshine and Alderheart went to tell them about the prophecy. Tawnypelt had to argue with their Clanmates for Rowanstar, because he was too scared! I was amazed at how lost and uncertain he looked. Man, I don't even like Rowanstar, but I wanted to punch Scorchfur and the others for him. Tawnypelt's defense for Rowanstar was so true -- his Clanmates brought everything on themselves, but they kept pushing it on Rowanstar. I can't blame him for giving up in the end. It must've been exhausting. I don't remember any other Clan revolting like that, except for when they chased Brokenstar off for good reason. Another thing I hate is that I fear that ShadowClan will suddenly be back in order now that Tigerheart is leader :/ Or they won't be as harsh and unforgiving on him as they were with Rowanstar. It might be under the guise of "realizing they were wrong and they had to work together, because they tore Rowanstar apart," which will annoy me immensely. Tigerheart might be praised as the cat who helped ShadowClan rise from the ashes. Sigh. That wouldn't really surprise me if it happened. I'm really anxious for April to come now to see what happens in River Of Fire.
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Post by whiteflight on Nov 8, 2017 14:16:56 GMT -5
Sorry but can someone spoil me what happened to Rowanstar? I don’t read the books anymore because I decided to quit reading warriors, but I would like to know what happened to him.
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Post by Mistybreeze on Nov 8, 2017 22:24:57 GMT -5
My feelings for Rowanclaw have changed immensely over the last few books. I loved towards the end of OOTS, especially in TLH. I thought he would be a kinder and more level-headed leader than Blackstar, who wasn't a horrible leader either. And then BrS came out and, *sigh*. I utterly hated him. He was almost as bad as Onestar as far as arrogance went. And then TS came out and I once again 180'ed. One thing is for sure, this has been a roller coaster from start to finish.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 1:38:58 GMT -5
Agreed, I feel bad for him. But??? Why is every cat acting like Tigerheart/star is 'cat Jesus' at the end of DN ALderheart literally said Shadowclan needed a saivor(Tigerheart)? Lol
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Post by Mayflower on Nov 9, 2017 8:50:56 GMT -5
Sorry but can someone spoil me what happened to Rowanstar? I don’t read the books anymore because I decided to quit reading warriors, but I would like to know what happened to him. Basically the whole of ShadowClan revolted against him. Almost all the apprentices and several younger warriors left to join the rogues. Darktail drowned a good majority who realized they wanted to leave and not live under a dictator/murderer/psycho. All throughout Darkest Night, the remaining ShadowClan blamed Rowanstar for literally all their problems. At the Gathering near the middle of the book, Rowanstar stepped down and renamed himself Rowanclaw. He handed his Clan over to Leafstar and requested that the leftover warriors be allowed into SkyClan, to which she agreed. At one point before that, Alderheart and Willowshine go to ShadowClan to tell them about the prophecy about the six-toed cat (Tree). Rowanstar is interested at first, but things quickly spiral out of control when Scorchfur accuses Rowanstar of letting ShadowClan get overtaken by Darktail, which was why they were in that predicament now. There's a huge fight, and Scorchfur throws abuse at Rowanstar, putting all blame at Rowanstar's paws because he was "weak." Keep in mind that Scorchfur was also one of the cats who led the rogues to the ShadowClan camp. He also says at least Darktail knew how to lead...lolololol yeah ok, Scorchfur. Darktail's not exactly the prime example of a leader, what with drowning cats and deliberating starving them and creating an actual cult (for new members of the Kin, they had to slice their paw, because there was something about how blood now connected them to the Kin as family). At least Ratscar had a change of heart. He was one of the cats calling Rowanstar weak, but he expressed regret to Alderheart about that, and he's trying his best to make amends. He's even out on border and hunting patrols, despite being an elder, because he really wants to help. Here's the scene. I'll put it under a spoiler tag, since I copied a pretty long portion. It's a really good part of the book, though, and I recommend reading it! During the whole scene, Rowanstar is seen as scared and uncertain and shocked. Nobody stands up for him except Tawnypelt...including Tigerheart, who just stands there :/ “Do you know any cats with six toes?” Alderheart asked.
“Not in ShadowClan,” Rowanstar answered.
“One of the rogues, perhaps?” Alderheart pressed.
Willowshine shuddered beside him.
Scorchfur growled from the edge of the clearing. “Why would a rogue help us fend off a storm?”
Willowshine flashed a look at the ragged-eared warrior. “You once thought rogues would solve all your problems.” There was bitterness in her mew.
Alderheart flicked his tail. “We need to look forward, not backward,” he mewed quickly. “If we can find this cat, then everything will be okay.”
“We should send out a search party,” Grassheart meowed.
“Perhaps we should look in Twolegplace,” Stonewing suggested. “Maybe there’s a kittypet with six toes.”
“A kittypet!” Juniperclaw snorted scornfully.
Scorchfur’s ears flattened. “How can we send out a search party? We have barely enough cats to patrol our borders.”
“The SkyClan border can’t be left unguarded,” Rowanstar agreed.
Alderheart prickled with frustration. “SkyClan is not your enemy. They are your allies. Wasn’t that what Leafstar said when you gave her the land?” He looked at Tigerheart, hoping the ShadowClan deputy would speak up. He wanted support. If there really was a six-toed cat, it must be found.
But Tigerheart only watched as Rowanstar shifted his paws.
“Leafstar did promise us friendship,” the ShadowClan leader conceded.
Scorchfur glared at him. “And you believed her!” he mocked.
“It was Tigerheart’s idea,” Rowanstar reminded him.
“‘It was Tigerheart’s idea.’” Scorchfur mimicked his leader as though teasing a kit. “When was the last time you had an idea of your own?”
Alderheart’s belly tightened.
“I’d like to see you try to lead a Clan!” Rowanstar snapped. “Perhaps you could use the skills you learned from Darktail.”
“At least he knew how to lead!”
Tawnypelt glared at Scorchfur. “You betrayed your Clan. Now you insult your leader? Show him some respect!”
“He’s done nothing to earn it,” Scorchfur spat back. “If he’d chased Darktail off in the first place, none of us would have followed those rogues. Instead he let them hunt on our land, while our apprentices grew arrogant and reckless. He couldn’t manage to stop any of it.”
“Whatever his mistakes, he still has the blessing of StarClan!” Tawnypelt hissed.
Grassheart and Stonewing exchanged glances. Whorlpaw and Flowerpaw stared at the ground uncomfortably. Alderheart felt his belly churning as the air seemed to sour around him.
Ratscar padded forward. “We must stay united,” he rasped. “I know we have had our differences, but Alderheart is right. We must look forward, not back. There are so few of us left. If we are to remain a Clan, we must work together.”
Grassheart whisked her tail. “Let’s send out a search party and find this six-toed cat. Then we won’t have to face any more storms.”
“ThunderClan can send out search parties!” Juniperclaw called.
“Or WindClan,” Stonewing chimed. “They’ve got nothing better to do.”
Scorchfur glared challengingly at Rowanstar. “So?” he snarled. “What should we do?”
Alderheart saw hesitation in the ShadowClan leader’s gaze. He’s not sure. The thought shocked him. Bramblestar always knew what to do, even if it meant doing nothing.
“I must do what’s right for the Clan,” Rowanstar meowed at last.
“Isn’t it a bit late for that?” Scorchfur curled his lip.
Tawnypelt darted forward, facing the dark gray tom. “Rowanstar has always done what’s best for this Clan!”
Scorchfur scanned the half-empty camp, contempt in his eyes. “So we have Rowanstar to thank for the state we’re in?”
“Do you think you could have done any better?” Tawnypelt hissed. “You blame Rowanstar. But it was his Clanmates’ disloyalty that killed them. If our apprentices grew arrogant, blame their mentors, not him. He cared about ShadowClan when none of you did. Rowanstar still wakes in the night, haunted by nightmares about the Clanmates he’s lost.”
Scorchfur flattened his ears. “He’s lucky. He has nine lives to dream about lost Clanmates. They only had one.”
“That’s not fair!” Puddleshine blinked anxiously at Rowanstar. “You can’t let him say that. StarClan gave you those lives because they believed in you.”
Scorchfur’s eyes narrowed to slits. “They believed in him once. Perhaps Rowanstar is the dark sky they’re trying to warn us about.”
Tawnypelt’s green eyes glittered. “If anyone’s the dark sky, it’s you!” Her gaze flicked angrily around her Clanmates. “You let the rogues take over the Clan. You let them drive Rowanstar away. Don’t blame him for your treachery.”
“And why do you think we chose a rogue over Rowanstar?” Scorchfur lashed his tail. “He was a weak leader then, and he’s a weak leader now.”
Tawnypelt’s fur bristled. Spitting with fury, she lashed out at Scorchfur, slicing her claws across his muzzle.
Alderheart backed away, his pelt bushing. What was happening here? Clanmates shouldn’t fight.
Scorchfur reared and slammed his paws onto Tawnypelt’s shoulders. Hooking his claws in, he pulled her to the ground. She flipped over and, tucking up her hind legs, clawed viciously at his belly.
He struggled free and turned on her. Face to face, they snarled at each other. With a hiss, Scorchfur lashed out, raking Tawnypelt’s eye with his claws.
Alderheart froze as she lurched away. ShadowClan gasped around him. What was Scorchfur doing? No warrior should ever attack another warrior’s eyes! Tawnypelt shook her head, blinking. With a rush of relief, Alderheart saw that Scorchfur’s claws had only sliced her cheek. Her eyes shone, unharmed. She’d been lucky.
She showed her teeth, hatred twisting her face, as she advanced on Scorchfur. “You’re no better than a rogue.”
“Stop!” Tigerheart moved at last. Fast as a fox, he crossed the clearing and pushed between the two warriors.
Rowanstar stared, his gaze stricken with shock. “We mustn’t fight.”
Alderheart backed away from the bristling cats. It’s not safe here. No one’s in control. He nudged Willowshine toward the camp entrance. Puddleshine’s light blue eyes were round with shock. He gazed imploringly at Alderheart.
There nothing I can do. Guilt squeezed Alderheart’s belly. He retreated through the entrance, beckoning Willowshine after him. TLDR; Scorchfur is the actual worst. Tbh, in my person opinion, Scorchfur should have been exiled a long time ago. He's seriously out of control and attacks Tawnypelt's eyes, which apparently is a low, dirty trick. I know ShadowClan can't afford to lose warriors, but I genuinely feel that things would be going much smoother if he was banished. He's always the first one to stir the pot and cause trouble, and he never takes responsibility for the fact that a lot of his actions are what led to his Clanmates' downfall, since he was the ringleader for a good portion of it all.
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Post by Moonblazer on Nov 9, 2017 10:10:11 GMT -5
I never liked Scorchfur ugh
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 9, 2017 10:12:00 GMT -5
Okay, from a neutral standpoint, of someone who doesn't like nor hate Scorchfur.
There is literally NO one innocent in ShadowClan right now, except for new apprentices.
All the cats that stayed behind with Darktail betrayed Rowanstar.
Tawnypelt was FIRST to strike Scorchfur.
Tigerheart, eventually ran off with some she-cat from another clan.
And Rowanstar IS a weak leader.
Yes, I feel that Rowanstar deserved better, and I don't even like him. But that's the thing, he was never really a good leader from the start. Tawnypelt is literally overqualified, and should have been deputy over him tbh? I don't even care if she's Tigerstar's kin, or that her brother is leader of TC, she would have kept SC together. She also was one of the few cats that still showed loyalty. Lashing out wasn't good, but she did have a point, and Scorchfur was just utterly disrespectful.
But to get respect, you need to EARN it. It's why Darktail so easily took over ShadowClan.
There was so many cats, he didn't even know what to do with them. But look at them now? There's so few, they can't even patrol properly. In times like this cats are supposed to look to leaders for hope, but they couldn't look to Rowanstar for that, at least that's how they felt.
I'm not saying any one is truley wrong or right, but there is two sides to this coin.
The whole situation is just utterly horrible.
And to be fair, Scorchfur DID feel bad about what he did to Tawnypelt, and even tried to leave the clan at one point, because he felt that he wasn't welcomed there anymore.
What good will banishment do when they have so little cats? If anything it would have just made things worst. Cats would follow Scorchfur and leave too, whether he was banished, or left on his own accord.
Divided, ShadowClan WILL fall, but United, they can actually survive, at least from extinction.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 9, 2017 10:16:50 GMT -5
And imo, banishing Scorchfur, for having an opinion, and feeling rightfully angry about the state of his clan, is almost as similar as how Darktail drowned anyone that opposed him or killed them in battle (Needletail and Rain).
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Post by Mayflower on Nov 9, 2017 11:50:39 GMT -5
❅Maplefrost❅ I most certainly respect your opinion, Maplefrost, though I'd like to counter it, if that's okay? To me, there's a difference between being frustrated by your Clan's problems and deliberately causing trouble, like when he told Tigerheart that he and Snowbird were going to ignore Rowanstar's orders from now on. He's so antagonistic and has taken no responsibility for his hand in everything. He's blaming all of it on Rowanstar, who is (like you said) a weak leader, but at least has repeatedly taken responsibility. Everyone else is doing their best, including the warriors who betrayed Rowanstar by staying behind, but all we've seen Scorchfur really do is complain and insult Rowanstar...like, not even Tigerheart and Rowanstar. Just Rowanstar (and Crowfrost, but he's dead, so nothing you can do there). Scorchfur is still saying Darktail was a better leader, shouting at Rowanstar that "at least Darktail knew how to lead," even though Darktail went around killing Scorchfur's Clanmates. He even personally threatened Scorchfur to his face for showing the slightest hint of sympathy toward the RiverClan cats. I genuinely liked him for that scene. He tried to defend the RiverClan prisoners, which is more than what a lot of the other cats did...as he mentioned in a later scene, a lot of them, including himself, wanted to leave but were too scared (more on that later in this post). Then my sympathy vanished, because a moon after this friggen scene, he's telling Rowanstar that Darktail was a better leader. Darktail literally threatened him...and keep in mind that almost all of ShadowClan, including Scorchfur, know that Darktail almost certainly murdered the cats who tried to leave. At worse, Darktail would punish Scorchfur by starving Snowbird and Scorchfur's kits, or punish Scorchfur, which will make Snowbird struggle to get food while nursing his kits. Was that truly a better leader than Rowanstar? Seriously? He's glaring at Darktail was actual hatred. He also manipulated his son (Puddleshine), is eager to jump into battles, and stirs up discord in the Clan while they struggle to stay together/strong and learn from their past mistakes. He shows no guilt for anything, except the fight with Tawnypelt, but then he's literally right back to what he was doing before. Having an opinion or disagreeing with something isn't what's wrong here. I mean, we see Juniperclaw, Stonewing, Strikestone, Grassheart, etc. speak out with their opinions, but Scorchfur is going about this all wrong. He's making it worse, helping to unravel everything everyone is trying to build back up. He's not helping anything. He's dividing them. He even blames Rowanstar for their missing Clanmates, which doesn't make sense, saying that Rowanstar didn't reunite ShadowClan because some of their Clanmates are still missing. The above scene shows that he obviously believes some of their Clanmates are alive, living beyond Clan territory. But a mere few scenes prior to that conversation, he's complaining that the Clan can't spare any warrior for any search parties or journeys when someone suggests this to Rowanstar. Sooo...which is it? Should they do something or not? A few times, Rowanstar agrees with Scorchfur. Nothing Rowanstar will ever do is enough for Scorchfur, no matter what. Rowanstar can't win, because Scorchfur doesn't want Rowanstar, or anyone, in this situation to win. He doesn't want Rowanstar to do anything so that he, Scorchfur, can just complain about things that have no grounds or reason to complain about (on the leaving front, however, Tigerheart did the same, so really, them judging each other is moot). Scorchfur's loyalty flipflops like crazy and is so shaky that it's ridiculous. First Rowanstar (at the beginning), then Darktail (when believing Rowanstar is incompetent), then Rowanstar (after realizing how bad Darktail is and wants to rejoin ShadowClan), then SkyClan (feels they're stronger than ShadowClan, so leaves to join them), then Tigerheart, etc. I know part of that is because he's frustrated by the lack of action and he fears his Clan falling, but really? How is that helping anyone? His Clanmates are just as upset and frustrated, but they're putting their actions into the now, like Ratscar said. Of course, credit should be places where credit is due, for these parts in TS that you mentioned: & Like you said, respect should be earned...and Scorchfur is doing nothing to come off as a levelheaded, well-meaning warrior. And then there's this, at the end of Shattered Sky, so this is less than a moon or so before Tigerheart's Shadow and Darkest Night. It was Tawnypelt who defended him then! Rowanstar was being pretty generous, if you ask me. Everything that has happened to ShadowClan since Darktail was killed is from ShadowClan's problems itself. From what I can tell (OTL these books are blurring together, so lemme know if I'm wrong), everything going on has been caused from the inside and is internal, rather than the outside. Yes, everyone's blame is divided equally, but we have repeated scenes of Scorchfur saying it's all Rowanstar's fault, saying things like, "You made us choose Darktail." That's not true. He wants someone to blame, and places all that on Rowanstar, refusing to say what he's done wrong. A lot of cats have recognized their failures, like Ratscar, who even had a hand in stirring up the apprentices' rebellion. Strikestone and Grassheart and the others are actually helping. Imo, Scorchfur is lucky he still has a place in the Clan. He could've been kicked out a long time ago for repeated treachery and betrayal. At least the others only have one or two times, but he's got repeated marks against him. Scorchfur has no leg to stand on here. ...On the other hand, like we've all suspected, he's probably written this way so that Tigerheart can be seen as a better leader than Rowanstar, so meh. Though I will say that yeah, this Clan is the worst sometimes. Rowanstar set them up for failure by appointing Tigerheart as his deputy. If he didn't want to appear biased by appointing his own mate, then he shouldn't have chosen his son. Tawnypelt's loyalty has never wavered from ShadowClan, while we definitely can't say the same for Tigerheart. But are we really surprised? We've seen that Rowanstar doesn't respect Tawnypelt :/ Including in recent books...she's the only one who hasn't turned her back on him (even Tigerheart has!), but I guess that don't mean crap to Rowanstar lol At the end of the day, I really only feel badly for Tawnypelt and the new apprentices/kits. The poor things are innocent, like you mentioned.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 9, 2017 12:11:12 GMT -5
I'm sorry but...I actually did have a reply, I lost it by closing my tab. And honestly now I'm not in the mood to debate. I've had a rough day, I literally just had a nervous break down. I'm standing by what I said, and I'm not in the mood to go into it other wise and I hope you'll respect my opinion over that.
I don't think Scorchfur is a bad cat, just because he wants a better more stable leader to follow, and have a better clan for his mate and kits to live in.
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Post by Mayflower on Nov 9, 2017 12:25:58 GMT -5
I'm sorry but...I actually did have a reply, I lost it by closing my tab. And honestly now I'm not in the mood to debate. I've had a rough day, I literally just had a nervous break down. I'm standing by what I said, and I'm not in the mood to go into it other wise and I hope you'll respect my opinion over that. I don't think Scorchfur is a bad cat, just because he wants a better more stable leader to follow, and have a better clan for his mate and kits to live in. Sorry to hear that. Like I said, I do respect your opinion. Didn't mean to make your bad day worse. Hope things look up!
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 9, 2017 12:38:23 GMT -5
I'm sorry but...I actually did have a reply, I lost it by closing my tab. And honestly now I'm not in the mood to debate. I've had a rough day, I literally just had a nervous break down. I'm standing by what I said, and I'm not in the mood to go into it other wise and I hope you'll respect my opinion over that. I don't think Scorchfur is a bad cat, just because he wants a better more stable leader to follow, and have a better clan for his mate and kits to live in. Sorry to hear that. Like I said, I do respect your opinion. Didn't mean to make your bad day worse. Hope things look up! Thanks, I hope so too.
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Post by Moonblazer on Nov 9, 2017 12:42:08 GMT -5
At the end of the day, I just wish there had been a focus on Rowanstar regaining control of his clan and finding a way to bring confidence back to himself instead of shoving Tigerheart down our throats as a new leader. That would be way better to read in my opinion, a leader who gains more development rather than a new and overworshiped leader that hardly anybody wanted.
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Post by whiteflight on Nov 9, 2017 14:59:03 GMT -5
O.O wow shadowclan is in a super big mess. From what I’m seeing and I hope they can recover soon, but I do kind of side with how Rowanstar is feeling.
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Post by NightFrostSun on Nov 9, 2017 16:22:50 GMT -5
Poor Rowanstar. He just can't please anyone. Personally I don't blame him for stepping down and joining Shadowclan with Skyclan. He was so sick of his clanmates crap and just so heartbroken over all of the cats he lost that Tigerheart's disappearance just did him in. He just wants to retire and peaceably live with his mate like a normal warrior. He wants to escape his complaining, antagonistic clanmates, but they of course come with him to SkyClan. The reason Rowanstar went on vacation went on the same vacation he went on. He can't escape them.
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Post by Moonblazer on Nov 9, 2017 17:23:35 GMT -5
What's worse is that he inveitably dies anyway. Does he lose his lives when he renounces his name or does he have to die for Tigerstar to happen? Was that ever explained in TS?
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Post by Mayflower on Nov 9, 2017 17:33:18 GMT -5
What's worse is that he inveitably dies anyway. Does he lose his lives when he renounces his name or does he have to die for Tigerstar to happen? Was that ever explained in TS? I think he was already just...dead? They don't say how he lost his lives, or when he did, or...what. In TS, he's in StarClan and just there without any details. They treated his death as such a throwaway line. TS seems to end in the middle of River of Fire, though, so I hope it's explained!
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Post by Moonblazer on Nov 9, 2017 17:45:07 GMT -5
It better be explained. There is no justification for Rowanstar's character being trashed and abused like this. Ugh, I miss him already...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 20:42:15 GMT -5
I do feel pretty bad for Rowanstar. He had been kind of a weak leader, but I did feel bad for him when Scorchfur pretty much mocks him. I do like how Tawnypelt still stands by Rowanstar against Scorchfur, and I also like how Ratscar wants to make amends. And Scorchfur...oooh, that guy's pressing a lot of nerves right now.
But anyway, I just wanted to share my thoughts on this, and I do feel bad for Rowanstar.
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Post by whiteflight on Nov 9, 2017 22:42:25 GMT -5
I do feel pretty bad for Rowanstar. He had been kind of a weak leader, but I did feel bad for him when Scorchfur pretty much mocks him. I do like how Tawnypelt still stands by Rowanstar against Scorchfur, and I also like how Ratscar wants to make amends. And Scorchfur...oooh, that guy's pressing a lot of nerves right now. But anyway, I just wanted to share my thoughts on this, and I do feel bad for Rowanstar. XD I feel the same way as you for Scorchfur, man if Rowanstar was me I would had attacked Scorchfur and show him who’s the boss.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 22:43:22 GMT -5
I do feel pretty bad for Rowanstar. He had been kind of a weak leader, but I did feel bad for him when Scorchfur pretty much mocks him. I do like how Tawnypelt still stands by Rowanstar against Scorchfur, and I also like how Ratscar wants to make amends. And Scorchfur...oooh, that guy's pressing a lot of nerves right now. But anyway, I just wanted to share my thoughts on this, and I do feel bad for Rowanstar. XD I feel the same way as you for Scorchfur, man if Rowanstar was me I would had attacked Scorchfur and show him who’s the boss. Pretty much showing him show who's the alpha dog...er, cat.
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