tenny
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Post by tenny on Sept 17, 2017 12:54:45 GMT -5
We aren't what we seem
I need help creating a clan. Uh, I ask that you be literate (and by literate I mean capable of anywhere from 100-500+ words per roleplay post) and active that's pretty much it. My schedule is generally the same week to week, I won't be on during the weekdays until 6pm EST, and I'm free all day Sunday. Saturday's are up in the air. I haven't made a clan in a while so I might be a little rusty at this at first. so bear with me. ^^
I need helpers who are good at, at least one of the following: HTML coding and formatting Reading, Writing, and Editing Artistically inclined, to help with Banners, color schemes, maybe even maps Brainstorming
Also if you plan on helping out with the planning page but don't plan on joining the clan, das coo Oh, and if you plan on helping with coding or banners and such please provide something you've worked on in the past. for me to judge
Ideas ;;
So how about this, a tom may challenge the leader whenever they would like, but they'd have to have a reason other than 'cuz i wanna lead bro' they must have legitimate quirks with what the current leader is doing. He must explain why he thinks he would be a better Leader in front of the Leader, Medicine Cat, Matriarch/Deputy as well as the two oldest living clan member and they will vote on whether or not the challenge is approved. (majority rules, Leader's vote counts as two) It can go one of five ways from here. 1) The challenge is denied by majority. 2) The challenge is accepted, the Leader can face off against the challenger in a manner decided by the Leader himself. Whether it be hunting, fighting, hopscotching you name it. 3) The challenge is accepted, and the Leader rather than fight for his title, can simply decide to do a clan vote for Leadership. However this can be vetoed by the previously mentioned committee (The Meddy, Deputy, and Elders). This is mainly used by older Leaders who don't have a lot left in the tank. 4) The Leader accepts the challenge, but has another cat take place in his stead. If a Leader does this, if the cat fighting in his stead wins the challenge, that cat will become the new Leader. This is mainly used by older Leaders who vote to deny a challenger's right to challenge but end up loosing. Thus they potentially choose a successor they would prefer. 5) The committee comes to a draw and the clan will vote on if the challenge is accepted. If there are an even amount of clan members, then the Medicine Cats vote will count as two votes as to avoid another tie.
Sure. I'm thinking the Mojave Desert would be an ideal place. It's arid, dry, and- of course- a desert, but not the same kind of completely barren sand wasteland that the Saharah is. It still has foliage and such, meaning it's possible, and likely even, for cats to be able to survive there, with some difficulty of course. And, depending on where it's not SO isolated that kittypets and twolegs are unheard of.
Yeah that's kind of what I was thinking. It would probably be a fairly small spring with a pool in roughly the middle of the territory, with the camp likely nearby but not directly next to it, since they can't completely stop every kind of potentially-dangerous animal from reaching the water. Then the rest of the territory would serve as a barrier between outsiders and the water, with POSSIBLY another ring of territory where the nomads live. They would be able to stop a lot of creatures from getting to the oasis, but some- especially far larger animals like coyotes and pronghorn, or flying animals like hawks and owls- would still be able to get to the water, plus the occasional other felines or similar animals quick or wily enough to get through the territory. So animals would constantly be trying to get to the water, and they would constantly have to fend them off, but it's not like there would constantly be rogues at their oasis or anything. Just, ya know, at their borders trying to get to the oasis lmao.
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tenny
please talk me into doing homework
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Post by tenny on Sept 18, 2017 8:43:52 GMT -5
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Post by Aphelyon on Sept 18, 2017 9:27:49 GMT -5
I'm game! But there's not much I can do at the moment because I'm going to be busy for the rest of the day lmao. In any case I have some ideas but I'll post them later. Would you like the idea of a bit of a wilder, rougher type Clan than the very civil canon Clans?
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Post by Aphelyon on Sept 18, 2017 15:31:14 GMT -5
I lied about being busy lmao. My schedule cleared for the day. In any case, I've been thinking about a lion-like Clan for a while, and your mention of an arid climate reminded me of that. I always like the ideas of Clans which have social structures adopted from other animals (for example, I have one called WolfClan which functions more like a pack), so I thought a lion-like Clan would be cool. For the most part, it could be like a regular Clan, but with some behaviors adopted from that of lion prides.
For example, there would be a greater distinction between toms and she-cats. In lion prides, males generally patrol territory, while females hunt. That could be the case in this Clan, where perhaps it is mostly toms who are trained to fight, while she-cats are trained to hunt (with very rare exceptions if a cat shows great promise in the role of the opposite gender). It could also be an area where cats might be forced to hunt slightly larger prey, and thus group hunting becomes more effective. As for kits, they would be raised collectively by the Clan rather than by just their mother or even both parents. Perhaps there would be one or two queens who are not as effective at hunting and so instead nurse all kits at any given time, so that the birth mothers can get back to hunting as quickly as possible without worrying about kits. Similarly, males who are not effective fighters would help the queens by raising older kits who are no longer nursing, but not yet old enough for apprenticeship. Kits themselves would have a higher mortality rate than normal Clan kits, for a few reasons. First and foremost, each would not be as individually cared for and valued- instead, the idea would be for she-cats to have many kits, and only the best would be allowed to survive. Kits would therefore be not only allowed but somewhat encouraged (within reason) to fight for dominance, having to compete sometimes bordering on violently (especially as they grow older) for food, shelter, and attention. Though the older cats would interfere when something was definitely unfair, and would defend weaker and younger kits to a degree, overall they would have to sit back and let natural selection take its course.
Leadership would be another difference between this and a regular Clan. Rather than a neat succession from leader to deputy, when the current leader begins to grow old they would likely be challenged and usurped by a younger cat. The official leader of the Clan, in this case, would most likely be a tom more often than not, but due to the divide between toms and she-cats there would likely be a matron of the Clan as well, a she-cat who is a more unofficial leader. The she-cat's role would likely be based on hunting prowess, wisdom, and respect, rather than brute combat strength like her male counterpart. Thus, the reign of the female leader would generally be far longer than that of the male's, which would end as soon as he began to weaken.
Some other ideas which you may or may not like depending on what you think of the above: the usage of "nomads," or cats which were born into and are in a sense part of the Clan but which do not share in their territory or social activities. These cats would mostly be toms, and would set up territories at the edges of or just outside the Clans' territory, and could serve as a sort of "buffer" between the main of the Clan and true rogues; not necessarily welcomed into the Clan, but not treated with quite the same hostility as those outside it. In this case, there could be only a few "dominant" toms within the Clan, while the rest are forced to become nomads. Of course, in order to keep them from wandering off entirely there would have to be SOME benefit to remaining near their birth Clan (such as having access to the medicine cat, for example, or the overall support of the Clan in times of great need); if you like this idea we can work out the details later. In the case of nomads, they would mostly be either younger or older toms, who have either not yet gained their strength or have lost it. Once a nomadic tom reaches his prime, he can challenge any of the males within the Clan and, if he defeats them, take their place, while the deposed male would become a nomad himself.
Lmao not sure if you like the idea of a Clan like this, but I think it could be cool. Just different enough from a regular Clan to be interesting, without being so different that it's not a Clan at all.
Edit: Another potential idea utilizing the nomads. Perhaps there are actually two related lion-like Clans and the nomads serve to sort of buffer them, as well as the outside world? Thus a she-cat- who remains with her Clan her whole life- will likely stay with the same Clan; however, toms who are forced to become nomads may very well end up switching Clans, if they see an opportunity to displace a tom within the Clan other than that which they were born into. Nomads would also be allowed to attend Gatherings; however, perhaps only a certain number would be allowed to attend at any given time, and thus before each Gathering those who wanted to go would have to fight for their right to attend. Also, within a Clan, cats wouldn't necessarily take on specific mates; instead, a she-cat would be expected to have kits every so often in order to keep the population of her Clan up, and she would just have to choose between whichever toms were in the Clan at the moment. Obviously she-cats wouldn't be forced to have kits, but it would be socially expected of her. Of course, there could be situations where two cats would become exclusive mates within a Clan, but this would be very rare. Also, it would be entirely possible for a she-cat to secretly become mates with a nomadic male, which would of course be forbidden as he wouldn't have won his right to breed.
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Post by Aphelyon on Sept 18, 2017 16:14:26 GMT -5
Hm. I like the idea of succession being a bit more violent but it's your Clan so it's up to you lol. A tournament sort of thing could work. That, or you could add a sort of caveat to the open challenge that the challenger has to have the support of either the Clan or perhaps just the deputy, or something like that, so as to avoid the Clan being taken over by an unsuitable cat just because said cat happens to be a good fighter.
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Post by Aphelyon on Sept 18, 2017 16:29:15 GMT -5
I suppose, but at the same time it was easy enough for a cat like Tigerstar to get in even with careful selection from the leader. Tigerstars would happen with any kind of terms of succession. There are probably ways that, as I had suggested, challengers could be filtered either by the deputy, Clanmates, or perhaps even the medicine cat or leader themselves. And even if you were to get an evil cat into power, that could make an interesting plot.
Perhaps to fit the nine lives in there somewhere, once a cat has deposed the old leader, the new cat must receive the blessing of StarClan and perhaps receive their nine lives. If obviously unsuitable in the eyes of StarClan, they would refuse their blessing, and thus not become leader. I'm not sure how the Clan would proceed from there in that situation, whether the old leader would return or a new one would be chosen altogether, or what.
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tenny
please talk me into doing homework
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Post by tenny on Sept 18, 2017 16:58:18 GMT -5
Oh don't get me wrong, I would totally love for a 'Tigerstar' to come into power I just don't want it to be easy for them. So how about this, a tom may challenge the leader whenever they would like, but they'd have to have a reason other than 'cuz i wanna lead bro' they must have legitimate quirks with what the current leader is doing. He must explain why he thinks he would be a better Leader in front of the Leader, Medicine Cat, Matriarch/Deputy as well as the two oldest living clan member and they will vote on whether or not the challenge is approved. (majority rules, Leader's vote counts as two) It can go one of five ways from here. 1) The challenge is denied by majority. 2) The challenge is accepted, the Leader can face off against the challenger in a manner decided by the Leader himself. Whether it be hunting, fighting, hopscotching you name it. 3) The challenge is accepted, and the Leader rather than fight for his title, can simply decide to do a clan vote for Leadership. However this can be vetoed by the previously mentioned committee (The Meddy, Deputy, and Elders). This is mainly used by older Leaders who don't have a lot left in the tank. 4) The Leader accepts the challenge, but has another cat take place in his stead. If a Leader does this, if the cat fighting in his stead wins the challenge, that cat will become the new Leader. This is mainly used by older Leaders who vote to deny a challenger's right to challenge but end up loosing. Thus they potentially choose a successor they would prefer. 5) The committee comes to a draw and the clan will vote on if the challenge is accepted. If there are an even amount of clan members, then the Medicine Cats vote will count as two votes as to avoid another tie.
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Post by Aphelyon on Sept 18, 2017 17:07:14 GMT -5
Hmmmm. Overall I like it, except for two things. One, I don't think the current leader should get a vote in whether to accept the challenge or not, mainly because it's almost guaranteed they'll vote no unless they're very confident that they'll win. Thus I think it should be up to the medicine cat, deputy, and elders, and not the leader. Secondly, if you did decide you wanted to go with the toms fight, she-cats hunt dynamic, as well as the leader normally being a tom, then it would make more sense for the contest to always be battle. Especially because the way that I see it is that the male leader is more in charge of keeping the territory and Clan safe from enemies, while it's the deputy's job to organize and keep the Clan fed and running; and thus it's battle prowess that matters most for that position. If not brute strength alone, then strategy, which even in old age could help the current leader to win. However, I'm not sure if you had the same idea for leadership dynamic so it's up to you lmao.
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Post by Aphelyon on Sept 19, 2017 10:47:47 GMT -5
Aw rip. I hope it's fixable at least. I always do my hair myself because of that XD if I mess it up at least i did it for free lmao.
Anyways, what do you think of the nomads then? Personally I think it's super cool (of course, since it's my idea) But it's up to you lol
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Post by Aphelyon on Sept 20, 2017 13:45:59 GMT -5
Sure. I'm thinking the Mojave Desert would be an ideal place. It's arid, dry, and- of course- a desert, but not the same kind of completely barren sand wasteland that the Saharah is. It still has foliage and such, meaning it's possible, and likely even, for cats to be able to survive there, with some difficulty of course. And, depending on where it's not SO isolated that kittypets and twolegs are unheard of.
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Post by Aphelyon on Sept 20, 2017 16:22:51 GMT -5
Yeeee. As far as I know it's gonna mostly be tiny rodents, moderately dangerous reptiles, and birds, especially birds of prey. And, of course, a FEW larger animals like coyotes and pronghorn.
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Post by Aphelyon on Sept 20, 2017 16:33:15 GMT -5
Hmmm so I'm thinking that if we go Mojave, the Clan should have some kind of spring of oasis in their borders that they protect jealously. That could make an interesting plot point, as they would have to constantly fend of other cats and predators wanting to access the water. Also, since large cities are draining more and more water, eventually their spring could begin to run dry, which could cause all sorts of problems.
Assuming you DO decide to go with the nomads idea, that could be an extra reinforcement. Like, the Clan's main territory surrounds the oasis, with nomads (or whatever they ended up being called) forming a sort of "buffer" territory around that as a second line of defense. The benefits of remaining a monad instead of going rogue would be having most likely limited but guaranteed access to water, as well as (possibly) being allowed to retire to the Clan's elders' den after a certain age or if disabled.
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Post by Aphelyon on Sept 20, 2017 20:17:23 GMT -5
Yeah that's kind of what I was thinking. It would probably be a fairly small spring with a pool in roughly the middle of the territory, with the camp likely nearby but not directly next to it, since they can't completely stop every kind of potentially-dangerous animal from reaching the water. Then the rest of the territory would serve as a barrier between outsiders and the water, with POSSIBLY another ring of territory where the nomads live. They would be able to stop a lot of creatures from getting to the oasis, but some- especially far larger animals like coyotes and pronghorn, or flying animals like hawks and owls- would still be able to get to the water, plus the occasional other felines or similar animals quick or wily enough to get through the territory. So animals would constantly be trying to get to the water, and they would constantly have to fend them off, but it's not like there would constantly be rogues at their oasis or anything. Just, ya know, at their borders trying to get to the oasis lmao.
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Post by Aphelyon on Sept 21, 2017 15:05:28 GMT -5
So what, there are always four cats who are acting as nomads? If I'm understanding right, it's not really what I was thinking at all, but it could still be cool. I'm not sure I like the idea quite as much, but I don't necessarily have a complaint either. It's your Clan so if you think it's a good idea go for it.
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Post by Aphelyon on Sept 21, 2017 15:28:34 GMT -5
Yeah a history is good, even if it's brief, to explain the more unique aspects of the Clan. And don't shelve your idea on my account! Like I said, it's not bad by any means.
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Post by Aphelyon on Sept 21, 2017 16:24:37 GMT -5
Well for name, it depends on if you wanna roll with the lion theme still. When I came up with the concept I thought PrideClan might be cool, but I'm not sure if it would work with this Clan very well. Besides that, all I can think of are really generic ones like SandClan or something :/
As for history, I like yours but could maybe expand a bit more. So maybe cats were constantly fighting over water and one day a cat comes from somewhere else is like whatch'all doin and they're like fighting over water and he's like well stop that we can share and they're like aw sh!t we didn't think of that
And thus _Clan was born.
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tenny
please talk me into doing homework
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Post by tenny on Sept 21, 2017 17:19:44 GMT -5
#FAD089 #FF9C5B #F5634A #ED303C #3B8183
what do you think of this color scheme?
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