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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 22:20:56 GMT -5
So, what's your opinion about this couple? I used to hate them, but then I realized that they actually have history together, they don't fight, they have a good family together and it really seems like Berrynose has matured a lot since he became her mate. Berrynose is also very protective of Poppyfrost, which I think is kind of cute since he's terrified of losing her like how he lost Honeyfern. I still like Honeyfern more as a character than Poppyfrost, but I still don't mind Poppy x Berry.
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Post by snowfoot on Jul 26, 2017 22:31:59 GMT -5
I have to say that at first I was uncomfortable that he went for his dead crush's sister so soon, but seeing how they've grown together I'm a bit of a fan ahaha. It helps that Berrynose has become more bearable since becoming Poppyfrost's mate
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Post by kestrelstrike on Jul 26, 2017 22:34:50 GMT -5
maybe if we saw a bit more of them I'd like them more. I don't really have any strong feelings about their relationship.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jul 27, 2017 1:31:26 GMT -5
Dislike, it feels like collateral damage for Berrynose's character after killing off Honeyfern for a useless plot device and main character drama. Also, imo, they've become a more modern day version of Jagged x Holly and it's utterly annoying. Berrynose hasn't shown any real maturity until BrS, when it's noted by Bramblestar, and many readers.
Not long after Honeyfern's death, during the gathering where Hollyleaf revealed the secret, both Berrynose and Poppyfrost are whispering to each other and shooting Hollyleaf with dirty hostile glances. (Which is ironic cause Berry is hostile towards her when she returns and talking crap but when he finds out she actually saved his kits suddenly he's grateful???) They do this again toward the DF trainees, they're whispering angrily to one another, they also don't help the situation saying that the trainees are untrustworthy. In the middle of the night they were being passive-agressive and moving their nest away from the Ex-DF trainees, wanting them to be isolated. When Birchfall offered to help on a patrol, Poppyfrost shot him down and went to Millie instead, and even Dovewing noted how obvious she was being and how hurt Birchfall looked. Her and Berrynose are both implied in the clan meeting about doubting the trainees after they kill the fox, and Poppyfrost feels ashamed.
Also lets be real here, her kits aren't that great either....Molekit, going on Molepaw, actually refused his name at first because he didn't want to do apprenticeship task. They both pulled a stunt, that almost got several cats killed by a fox, and even as warriors, the only one that seems to improve is Cherry. Mole is down right impatient with Alder, and kinda harsh, I didn't think he was the best mentor for him tbh.
Honestly I blamed Cherry and Mole's actions on their parents, for that so called prank from when they were apprentices, and it's rightfully to be blamed on them. Honestly they need to set a better example for their kits, and not be the source of gossip and taking jabs at others in the clan half the time.
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Post by kinkajou on Jul 27, 2017 13:17:49 GMT -5
Not a big fan
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Post by Mistybreeze on Jul 27, 2017 13:18:45 GMT -5
Poppyfrost always struck me as an independent cat. She never seemed like she would be one to settle down with a family, much less with a cat like Berrynose. Berrynose was rude, immature, and quick to start a fight. Poppyfrost is calm, collected, and thoughtful. At first, I thought that Poppyfrost might make him calm down a bit and become a better character. I felt that Honeyfern wouldn't do that for him. But the relationship with Poppyfrost did nothing for his character. If anything, he seemed a lot more pleasant with Honeyfern. What finally seemed to start calming him down was having kits, but that would have happened regardless of who his mate is. And even then it was slow. What seemed to have the greatest effect was the DF battle. Maybe he had a moment of mortality in the battle that made him rethink things or something. But it's clear that neither one of his mates made him mature at all.
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Post by Jei-Dinofelini on Jul 27, 2017 16:03:32 GMT -5
I think its cute. I like both HoneyxBerry and PoppyxBerry ♡♡♡
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Post by Moonblazer on Jul 28, 2017 14:37:02 GMT -5
I really like this pairing, and I really don't think it's bad that Berrynose took on a mate after Honeyfern died. He clearly shows that he loves Poppyfrost for her own strengths and personality, NOT as a replacement for Honeyfern.
I'm going to put a halt on all this talk of "immaturity" because it's graciously to god the only thing I hear about Berrynose. Of course Berrynose and Poppyfrost are going to be cross around the Dark Forest Trainees. They lied to their clan and trained with cats who desired to bring harm to the clans. Berrynose's own brother trained there, and Poppyfrost certainly must remember being, oh, I don't know, attacked by Breezepelt, who, you guessed it, was a Dark Forest Trainee, along with the ghost of Brokenstar himself, who also hurt Jayfeather right in front of her when she was pregnant. So, yes, I understand her reluctance to trust the Ex-Trainees.
Again, Berrynose and Poppyfrost were upset that their kits were in danger, and had no way to tell Hollyleaf helped them until she stated so. They made a mistake, and once they knew it was Hollyleaf, they showed gratitude.
Berrynose showed far more loyalty and maturity than many cats I can name, so the whole "maturity" thing always grates at me, as if he's a horrible cat for being hot-headed and bold in his words. Born as a rouge/loner, he had his tail mauled while Shadowclan cats watched, was insulted and called a kittypet at the gatherings, by Harespring and others, so I can also understand his personality as someone who tries to prove himself, but overdoes it and comes off as arrogant or immature.
Poppyfrost and Berrynose are realistic. That's the thing. They genuinely love eachother and their kits, they are not saints in the slightest, but they don't have to be. Like everyone else, they've been betrayed by clanmates and are not quick to jump on forgiveness, which has to be earned, in my opinion. They support eachother and seem not to argue or mistreat their kits like many cats apparently do. They do their duties, worry for their clan, and have accepted that Honeyfern is perfectly okay with their relationship.
I want a lot more scenes with these two, I really really do, because both are characters I always saw something in, and I like their family dynamic far more than most others.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jul 28, 2017 22:41:03 GMT -5
I really like this pairing, and I really don't think it's bad that Berrynose took on a mate after Honeyfern died. He clearly shows that he loves Poppyfrost for her own strengths and personality, NOT as a replacement for Honeyfern. The problem is that Poppyfrost IS a replacement for Honeyfern, by the writing perspective. The Erins didn't execute it properly, the best they've ever done that with was with Tallstar's mother Palebird, and Woollytail. They almost did a good job with Millie and Graystripe, if not for Millie similar description to Silverstream, and how poorly their relationship was handled after entering into the canon book series. Poppyfrost and Berrynose got together literally not long after Honeyfern died, and I would be lying if I said many people in society wouldn't find it morally strange for someone married their dead ex's sister not long after she died?? Not to mention Honeyfern's death, again from the writing perspective, was literally unnecessary and for the sake of plot and MC drama. This isn't even the first time the Erins have done collateral damage for characters, like making Rowan get with Tawny because they keep getting his gender wrong. Even if the Erins were trying to drive home the point, "Berry genuinely loves Poppy" they did it in a poorly written manner.I'm going to put a halt on all this talk of "immaturity" because it's graciously to god the only thing I hear about Berrynose. But he is immature. Berrynose is literally one of the most arrogant and rash characters in the modern warriors verse. Toadstep would have probably gave him a run for his money, but at least we know the reason behind his personality and behavior. When an in verse character literally notes about a cat finally mature, that pretty much means that yes they were immature, and that was one of the biggest factors of Berrynose's character. Of course Berrynose and Poppyfrost are going to be cross around the Dark Forest Trainees. They lied to their clan and trained with cats who desired to bring harm to the clans. Berrynose's own brother trained there, and Poppyfrost certainly must remember being, oh, I don't know, attacked by Breezepelt, who, you guessed it, was a Dark Forest Trainee, along with the ghost of Brokenstar himself, who also hurt Jayfeather right in front of her when she was pregnant. So, yes, I understand her reluctance to trust the Ex-Trainees. But as the reader, that is not the case, also everyone, at that point, was aware of the situations. A good amount of cats, including the ones in TC, were tricked into going there. Under misconception, and kept there out of fear for their own life. Mouse, Thorn, Blossom and Birch didn't even fight in the final battle, they were hiding, not wanting to fight their own teammates. It was Ivypool that helped them and convinced them to do the right thing, in the end they helped their clans, proving they still remain loyal to them. This is why Bramblestar is so fed up with all of this after the fox attack, there was NO need for them to be acting so crossed still, and treating them like enemies, even instigating capital punishment and teaching kits that "traitors" should be killed. If Poppyfrost has a post traumatic experience, which she literally showed no signs of, then sure that could be argued. But there is literally no reason for her to treat her clanmates no different than murderers and outsiders, after they proved, and then proved again, that they are loyal to their clan. I could understand if Poppyfrost showed signs of being nervous, surprised, scared, etc. Both her and Berrynose were treating them, and this is pretty much in the books, like they invited a bunch of DF cats into their camp at any moment. Also the fact that Berrynose showed zero compassion for his brother, like Bumblestripe did his sister, is disturbing. Mouse, Birch, Thorn and Blossom didn't fight on the side of the DF, and nor were they there because they were blood thirsty and no longer were loyal to the clan. Every cat knew this by that point, so Poppyfrost and Berrynose were being excessively hostile, along with a few other cats.
Again, Berrynose and Poppyfrost were upset that their kits were in danger, and had no way to tell Hollyleaf helped them until she stated so. They made a mistake, and once they knew it was Hollyleaf, they showed gratitude. That's interesting, so a misunderstanding, they apologized for, and were forgiven. But the DF ex-trainees, who were being misled, threatened, and lied to, but in the end were loyal and said a new oath to their clan, its understandable that they shouldn't be forgiven? Sure its on a greater scale, but they definitely did more than just a verbal apology as well. Whether they were worried for their kit or not, they were quite quick to be hostile towards Hollyleaf, whom is a former member of their clan.Berrynose showed far more loyalty and maturity than many cats I can name, so the whole "maturity" thing always grates at me, as if he's a horrible cat for being hot-headed and bold in his words. Born as a rouge/loner, he had his tail mauled while Shadowclan cats watched, was insulted and called a kittypet at the gatherings, by Harespring and others, so I can also understand his personality as someone who tries to prove himself, but overdoes it and comes off as arrogant or immature. When? Again, he is one of the most immature cats in the series who doesn't notable shape up up until BrS. He's been like this since he was a kit, and then when he became a warrior he got worse, and it's not just Bramble who notes this, but in other character POV's as well. No one is saying being immature makes him horrible, just more unlikable. Also you seem to be making a lot of excuses for him, he was proud of his tail from the moment they freed him from the fox trap. Firestar got called a kittypet plenty of times, even when he was a long time leader and never acted in a similar way or even near as arrogant as Berrynose. His behavior is just caused by his inflated ego, not his physical disability. Which actually doesn't even seem to affect his character in any way.Poppyfrost and Berrynose are realistic. That's the thing. They genuinely love each other and their kits, they are not saints in the slightest, but they don't have to be. Like everyone else, they've been betrayed by clanmates and are not quick to jump on forgiveness, which has to be earned, in my opinion. They support eachother and seem not to argue or mistreat their kits like many cats apparently do. They do their duties, worry for their clan, and have accepted that Honeyfern is perfectly okay with their relationship. Realistic? No. Unlikable? Yes. There are much more realistic cat characters in the series than these; Ivypool, Blossomfall, Graystripe, Bramblestar, even Firestar. Berrynose and Poppyfrost only get as realistic as that one couple that likes to spread around rumors and whisper in the background. Apparently that forgiveness wasn't earned until their kits nearly got several of their clanmates killed then? Also arguing in a relationship is literally one of the most natural things, now and then is fine, all the time is a no. Not all arguing is negative, Sand and Fire have argued a few times but because of this got a better understanding of each other's perspectives. Poppyfrost just seems to go along with everything Berrynose wants to do...Also Honeyfern having accept them as a couple literally has nothing to do with their nasty behavior.I want a lot more scenes with these two, I really really do, because both are characters I always saw something in, and I like their family dynamic far more than most others. What family dynamic though, we barely see much of that in canon...and for the most part they don't seem like a good influence on their kits anyways.
Also before anything possibly gets out of hand, you're free to have your own opinion, that's find, but understand others have their own as well. If the books depict Berrynose as immature, he's immature, if I think he is, then I think he is, if you don't that's fine too, and so on. I'm not trying to be rude or anything like that, this is just my response is all.
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Post by Moonblazer on Jul 29, 2017 5:24:34 GMT -5
Yes, I understand and respect your opinion. I suppose we just see and read this character differently, so I'm not offended. I suppose we can just agree to disagree on the matter.
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Post by Owlmoon on Aug 2, 2017 14:05:31 GMT -5
I was surprised that he immediately went to Honeyfern's sister right after her death, but other than that, I don't mind it.
- Owlmoon
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