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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2017 14:55:50 GMT -5
More of a question for writers and plotters of tales! cx But Seeing a few "rewrite warriors" around, here and on other sites, I was just curious! Plus my own sort of "headcanon" "what if" thing haha. cx
So! Based off your own writings (if your a writer) or story ideas, if you have been given warriors to write, how would it have been written? Only thing that must remain, in this, er, "challenge" per say is the clans, and most of the main characters/their roles, but what would you have displayed differently knowing your own preferences? cx I'm talking mainly besides the mistakes in the books, more like YOUR own style!
If I had written it: - Wouldn't be particularly realistic, but... at least have kitten open their eyes at the correct timespan, not one day after being born. cx
KITTYPETS AND LONER CHANGES:
- Ok this aside. Firstly Jake would be a kittypet dictator... emperor... thing. The cats ultimate goal in their "governments" here would be to stray from the undisciplined "savagery" of normal cats. Thus, Jake would try to preach this to loner, kittypets and rogues in his city. That being said, Rusty is his heir whereas Scourge was a illegitimate offspring not recognized by his "royal line". I never read Tallstar's Revenge, so this is all based on how I would have loved a kittypet and loner empire.
- This in mind, kittypets! Despite prejudice, they would not be deemed as lesser than clan cats- something that bothers me about the series, and I know it probably wouldn't have been there if I wrote it! Rather, kittypets would be seen as enemies, or, in some cases, potential recruits and mates to get new blood into the clan! Though ruled under Jake's family, the kittypet/loner/rogue empire thing could meet with the clans during the gathering. HOWEVER, things have changed during Jake's rule, and Jake's father's rule; clan cats and the empire in the city do not get along, and rumors abound about the clan cats being savage and wild. After Rusty runs away and meets Graypaw, who is... well, not savage, he decides they are better than the empire and seeks to mend all broken bonds.
- Kittypets who joined the clans would not necessarily give up their twoleg owners. Nor is there any rule against eating human food; rather, certain cats are just too feral to get near humans, while others, if hungry enough, don't really care what they eat.
- Scourge would rise to power alright, after Jake is assassinated. By this time, Rusty has abandoned his people, following his instinct to join the clans. Princess or an unnamed sibling would be the successor, but the rebellion against the empire- initially started by Bone- forbids them of such and they remain in house arrest, in fear for their lives. Scourge is chosen to lead the new rising empire by Bone, who fabricates all sorts of stories about Scourge and pretty much raises the kit to adulthood and makes him the emperor... but, despite being clever, Scourge is small, and very weak, and controlled by Bone, who, despite this, he sees as a friend and father figure. Scourge is still a killer, but less so than in the books.
- Rusty is disillusioned from his father's empire by learning secrets they have, and also knowing about his father not being faithful to his mother, Nutmeg. (Jake has other kits besides Scourge here, who is older than Firestar, and not with Nutmeg or Quince.) In other cat societies this would be somewhat common, as cats do not usually have permanent mates, but their customs teach them this- so having one mate is almost bred into their nature by now. That being said, his friend Smudge helps him escape to the clans, who he wants to learn more about. Bluestar recognizes him as the prophesied cat and we know the drill!
THE CLANS:
- StarClan cats do not fade, plus there are maybe some sort of "representative" spirits the cats that are revered above all by the clans, maybe the original founders?
- Kittens are elected, by prophecy, at birth, to if they'll be leader or not, or have the chance. If several kittens are born at the same time/day/month (?) then they are the ones who are destined to be leader- or rather, one of them is. An example is that Bluestar and Thistleclaw would be born at the same time, instead of one being older than the other, and so the two litters have to be better than the other. Perhaps this is how Thistleclaw joins the dark forest? He wants to beat Bluestar and Snowfur anmd his siblings so badly he wanted extra training.
- Leaders will not get nine lives if StarClan does not see them fit to be a leader. Thistleclaw becomes ThunderClans' leader, for example, but is rejected (Bluestar keeps her kits and still leads!), as for Tigerstar (which is why Scourge "rips him of all nine lives" - him having nine lives was a lie to keep ShadowClan and the others happy. Tigerstar becomes really paranoid towards the end of his life as well, feeling a greater sense of death since this rejection and him lying about having nine lives.
- Rusty joins and has to go through several trials before gaining his warrior name. At this point, kittypets are no longer allowed to join and still be kittypets, due to tension with the city cats, but Rusty is fine with that, as he cannot return without being found out by his father- who he doesn't know is dead. Meanwhile, Scourge and Bone search for the missing heir they wish to execute; Scourge is apprehensive, but Bone insists.
- Graystripe joins RiverClan after Silverstreams' death and remains there till the end of the first arc, perhaps? I want some Graystripe and Fireheart conflict where they still wish to be friends but are always at odds when they meet.
- No Spottedleaf x Fireheart.
- Tigerclaw is born of another group of kits destined to, maybe, one day be leader. His father Pinestar feels pressured and, being allies with Jake before the "rift", goes to ask advice from his old friend, and does not return. He is suspected to have been killed by the kittypets and Tigerclaw is revengeful against them for killing him, as he had met his father and was close to him, despite Pinestar's apprehensions. Tigerclaw is thus all too happy to attack Scourge when he's an apprentice and is instantly disgusted by Firepaw being accepted into ThunderClan.
That's all I got so far, besides Brambleclaw initially joining Tawnypelt and Tigerstar in ShadowClan after his mother dies, only to later leave because his dad is evil lol. cx
I have some other ideas, but I sort of can't think of them right now... Besides the facts gatherings would be huge celebrations with prey sharing and a lot more interaction, trading and games- something that ended after the rift with the kittypet, loner and rogue empire and the clans becoming very hostile towards each other (why?), and something Firestar fixes ultimately.
So, what do you think of these ideas, and what would yours be if you wrote warriors?
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 23, 2017 16:31:39 GMT -5
This sounds so cool! I think I actually had a somewhat similar idea in mind, just for an entirely different thing I'm doing and it's with humans rather than animals.
Let's see... here are just some things I'd rewrite.
Sandstorm being the prophecy cat from the first arc instead of Firestar, who is simply mistaken to be the one by Bluestar and Spottedleaf. Either that, or both cats are involved in the prophecy.
Introduce BloodClan sooner and have Firestar and Scourge's kinship mean something in the story.
Romantic pairings staying platonic, like Fire x Spotted and Gray x Millie.
Killing Briarlight off sooner, and resolving the Millie-Blossomfall drama within the story or just not including the entire subplot at all.
Redtail, Lionheart, Spottedleaf, and Oakheart living longer.
Making Tigerstar into a less obvious villain, and the same goes for a few others as well.
Graystripe and Darkstripe being Whitestorm's kits.
Cats like Tawnypelt and Brindleface actually living up to their names.
More morally gray characters.
More developed romances, but less forbidden ones. I wouldn't mind forbidden romances in the background, though, like BeechxGorse.
BramblexFeather and StormxSquirrel, or StormxTawny and CrowxSquirrel, is something I wouldn't have minded.
Hawkfrost and Mothwing personality swap, with Hawkfrost being a red herring. Also, making them Leopardstar's kits instead of Sasha's.
A civil war within ThunderClan.
Tawnypelt and Crowfeather being the leaders of their Clans (had Crowfeather not attempted to run away, that is). Also, him being at least somewhat of a better father to Breezepelt than he was in canon or at the very least acknowledging his terrible actions and trying to make up for them.
Sparkpelt being named Sparkstorm and Needletail being named Needleclaw.
Either Hawkwing finishing Darktail off, or him and Onestar doing it together.
More developed supporting and background characters, if only slightly.
Although I didn't mind it in canon, I'd probably also have Hollyleaf be one of the Three while Dovewing and Ivypool are either just background or supporting characters.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2017 16:56:30 GMT -5
Quietly sneaks back and slowly fixed typos in my above post why. Ye thank you! Most of my favored storylines involved struggling government figures, a lot of character interaction and family drama, so, uh, yeah!
I have to agree with on some of those things- especially FirexSpotted being just friends (she should have lived longer too...). Also Hawkfrost actually being good (or, at least, not evil) I would have liked, I think. Also Bramble and Him meeting earlier on, perhaps? I haven't read the books in while, so I don't recall how they first meet, but I would have loved a closer relationship between the two- a very brotherly one that would make tehir conflicting views more dramatic!
Also I haven't read the newest series, but I know most of the major spoiler events hah- both Hawkwing and Onestar finishing him off would have been great, from just assuming. Reminds me a bit of my semi-spoof warriors fan fiction where two cats team up to kill the enemy, or when the apprentices killed Bone as a group.
Also I can't picture Crowfeather as leader after all taht happened, and I cannot recall any leadership qualities he had... but Tawnypelt, yeah! I'd like her as leader. Also, ShadowClan actually being... aha less shadowy for a change. Since we known they're not actually all bad. Why do ShadowCaln cats keep behaving so, so shady?
I forgot to mention I would also add way, way more RiverClan. RiverClan has my favorite territory and personality, its' sad they're not as well developed.
Also, if "the 4th" prophecy had to be a thing... instead of Firestar, Hollyleaf. Makes more sense. ^u^ Firestar is a good character and all but he already got his time to shine.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 23, 2017 17:14:35 GMT -5
Quietly sneaks back and slowly fixed typos in my above post why.Ye thank you! Most of my favored storylines involved struggling government figures, a lot of character interaction and family drama, so, uh, yeah! I have to agree with on some of those things- especially FirexSpotted being just friends (she should have lived longer too...). Also Hawkfrost actually being good (or, at least, not evil) I would have liked, I think. Also Bramble and Him meeting earlier on, perhaps? I haven't read the books in while, so I don't recall how they first meet, but I would have loved a closer relationship between the two- a very brotherly one that would make tehir conflicting views more dramatic! Also I haven't read the newest series, but I know most of the major spoiler events hah- both Hawkwing and Onestar finishing him off would have been great, from just assuming. Reminds me a bit of my semi-spoof warriors fan fiction where two cats team up to kill the enemy, or when the apprentices killed Bone as a group. Also I can't picture Crowfeather as leader after all taht happened, and I cannot recall any leadership qualities he had... but Tawnypelt, yeah! I'd like her as leader. Also, ShadowClan actually being... aha less shadowy for a change. Since we known they're not actually all bad. Why do ShadowCaln cats keep behaving so, so shady? I forgot to mention I would also add way, way more RiverClan. RiverClan has my favorite territory and personality, its' sad they're not as well developed. Also, if "the 4th" prophecy had to be a thing... instead of Firestar, Hollyleaf. Makes more sense. ^u^ Firestar is a good character and all but he already got his time to shine. Sure thing! ^^ Hawkfrost and Brambleclaw first met at a Gathering in Midnight after Hawkfrost and Mothwing became warriors, but they didn't become close until after Brambleclaw found out that Hawkfrost was his half-brother. The new arc is pretty good imo. Hope you get a chance to read it sometime. I think Crowfeather had a chance to be leader if he hadn't run away with Leafpool. This was kind of hinted at at least twice in TNP. And I agree, RiverClan needs more love. And yeah, Hollyleaf would've made more sense, but I think the Fourth was just overall unnecessary. Some other changes I'd include are more family relations being aknowledged, at least as far as immediate family is concerned. The daylight warriors being given a time limit to choose if they want to stay with SkyClan or continue being kittypets. I'd give them at least six moons to a year. Squirrelflight feeling pressured by being Firestar's daughter (this was hinted in Midnight, but nothing ever came out if it). Some other character arcs would be changed or expanded as well. Tadpole being alive. The cats being a little more realistic, like she-cats being called mollies, cats having multiple mates at a time, and she-cats giving birth to a litter of kittens with multiple fathers. Taking out "the leader's word is law" part of the code, or at least recording it. At least one openly gay or lesbian pairing and at least one cat who's barren. The Dark Forest being introduced as a concept sooner. Either have StarClan and the Dark Forest be left ambiguous, or at least have them not be as heavily involved as they were in the later arcs. Have the Tribe be similar to how they were in the past, as in less cult-like, I guess. Graystripe not being deputy, or at least not as soon as he did in canon and not just because it was Whitestorm's dying wish either. Introduce Sun Shadow and bring in Quiet Rain to the forest sooner. Leaders having an official council.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2017 17:32:53 GMT -5
Gonna quote a few things from your post like so. cx
Oh yeah, I think I remember that. Personally I think they should have become friends at a younger age- but I guess that wouldn't be possible.
Hope so too! Alderheart, Needletail and the two SkyClan kits seem like cool characters, and I like the idea of Onestar having a kid somewhere out there who is evil. cx
The first series needed more Crookedstar and Oakheart. owo I like those two.
Reminds me- do any of the cats use the term "mom" or "dad" when talking to their parents? While cats are... uh, pretty non social, even wit relations in real life, I feel more acknowledgment and relationships shown between relatives would have been nice, including calling their parents "mom and "dad" - unless it's, like, Millie and Blossomfall, I imagine she's start acting really haughty in her anger at her mother and referring to her by her name. Its' not that important but I dunno, would have been nice, and maybe it was in the books and I just don't remember.
Honestly I love kittypets and the daylight warriors. So I found SkyClan's acceptance of them a nice change. cx Cats do have loyalty to their human owners, it should be understood, and feral cats mix with feral and strays all the time if they're not just indoor cats. I can understand it being inconvenient though- So I imagine daylight warriors will always be put down by the others.
All I can say is this would have been awesome! I also imagine him being a really heroic type, for some reason. I always thought if he survived Hawk and Moth wouldn't end up with the issues they did- with Moth loosing faith and Hawk being a villain.
This would been nice, I actually have an idea for a (mostly silly but still) fan fiction where the leader has a council of five, and they're very close and they depend on each other a lot for decisions.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 23, 2017 17:48:59 GMT -5
Hawkfrost and Mothwing joined RiverClan after Tigerstar's death, so it would've been a little unlikely, but I guess they could've met much sooner at a Gathering. I would also like more interaction between Mothwing, Brambleclaw, and Tawnypelt.
And cats have called their parents "Mama" or "Father" a few times, but it's usually kits who do this and Squirrelpaw only referred to Firestar as father after he lost a life due to a falling tree in Dawn.
I actually didn't mind the daylight warriors either. In fact, I really liked them and it's one of the reasons why I love SkyClan. I just feel like Leafstar giving them a time limit would've been a little better.
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Post by wadevvilson on Jul 23, 2017 17:53:00 GMT -5
I've discussed this on other sites before, but here's a few things I would gladly change. I say a few because otherwise I'd go on forever:
~ Rework the concept of StarClan/the Dark Forest. It could have been far better. ~ Some things in the warrior code are just common sense, so maybe just remove those and make them implied instead ~ Cut some of the background characters who have no plot impact, rework others so they have a bigger role ~ Don't bring back Holly just to kill her off ~ Rework some of the romances, cut others entirely ~ Make a good portion of the villains less obvious ~ Tawnystar? Tawnystar ~ The improved family relations would be nice, as well
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Post by kinkajou on Jul 23, 2017 18:11:55 GMT -5
Have at least one heteromantic and asexual cat with a nice happy relationship
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Post by Basement Cat on Jul 23, 2017 18:45:04 GMT -5
1. More representation. I'm aware it's a book about fighting cats, but it would make the books more interesting to have more cats with confirmed mental, physical or psychological disorders. I'd love if the LGBTQ+ community was represented better with more fleshed out and confirmed couples that represent them, and not making it some stupid bait or overly dramatic story.
2. More fleshed out background characters. Look, it isn't hard to give the background characters personality. Yet, for the current authors, they struggle with that.
3. Rewrite the entire TLH, and make it actually represent the title. No 'good guys easily win.' The cats would have to fight hard for their survival, and it would really be a 'last hope' situation. I could add onto it, but I created an entire topic dedicated to what I would do with TLH.
4. Leafpool and Crowfeather's secret would be obvious. Around the time they traveled to the Tribe in outcast, Crowfeather would piece together from how Hollypaw looked and behaved, even to their morning schedules, that Lionpaw, Hollypaw and Jaypaw were his kits. But, he wouldn't say anything, wishing to put it behind him. And it's not just him, either. Several other cats on the journey would notice the simularities. Tawnypelt mysteriously talks to Squirrelfight, which Lionpaw notices, and leave Squirrelflight looking a bit upset. Even Firestar pieces together something is off about Jayfeather and Hollyleaf's body shapes.
What would cause Hollyleaf to be pushed to the edge is that when she confronts Crowfeather to tell him, he was aware of it all along, but chose to ignore it and move on. Leapool, Crowfeather, Squirrelflight, and Brambleclaw, who she idolized, had lied to her. (Oh yeah, no 'Brambleclaw doesn't know bs. Squirrelflight trusts him.)
5. Rainflower goes to the Dark Forest after what she did. It's because Mapleshade reveals to him that in the days Stormkit was badly injured and unconscious, Rainflower tried to feed him deathberries because she couldn't bear for her son to be the way he was.
6. Dovewing's powers wouldn't be able to bypass the waking world so she could spy on the Dark Forest. Ivypool is absolutely integral in the final battle. Also, Dovewing and Bumblestripe's supbot would either be made into a parody, or completely written out.
7. Completely rewrite Cinderheart. Cinderheart doesn't want to be a medicine cat. She doesn't think she has to fill in Cinderpelt's paws. The problem is, StarClan screwed up and tried to give Cinderpelt a second chance, but Cinderpelt didn't want a second chance, and so now she's trapped in Cinderheart's body, and still thinks she's a medicine cat and that nothing changed. She isn't aware she is dead. This leads to sudden moments where Cinderheart has completely different thoughts and memories, which terrifies her. She's essentially two spirits in the same body, which puts a major strain on her.
Also, the LionXCinder angst would be cut. It starts out because Lionblaze is determined to help her find her own path and help her cope after her best friend supposedly died, and it gradually develops into something more.
8. I find it incredibly hard to believe that Hawkfrost never had a kit. Multiple times he's been noticed by other cats to be attractive. So, I would have him get together with a RiverClan who passed away due to complications, and Hollowflight would be his kit. Really, it's just the suspension of belief I dislike about it.
9. I would either have Briarlight be less injured by the tree so she could realistically survive afterwards while still representing a disabled character, or completely write her out. Instead of her spine, it would be her hind-leg, or she loses a limb. And instead of pulling a Cinderheart she would try her best to carry out her path as a warrior. I she were to lose a limb, she could be a three-legged fighting warrior who has to be taught a new way to fight.
10. Sol would be more of a credible threat, and might actually kill a cat. Also, I would change his backstory to something more sinister. If he's the only confirmed sociopath, he's going to act like a more serial killer-y one.
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Post by Sea Drops by a Bird on Jul 24, 2017 13:47:21 GMT -5
For starters, I would keep the story moving more in the direction of the original series- more claws, less teleporting. Also, when a character is finished as the main character for their arc, I would move them to background/supporting so that maybe they can have a more peaceful life, instead of always having them in some drama even though there are new cats to focus on.
In regards to romances (particularly the forbidden ones), less of them but give them more nurturing. Most of their forbidden romances are written very romeo and Juilet, where two cats meet and they aren't supposed to be together, they fake resist only to go for it then risk it all then boom death and it's only been about a week.
Hollyleaf would have ended up living and becoming clan leader- sorry Bramblestar. You don't have to die, but you do have to get out of her way. Personally I think that she was always leadership material, and she would have given us lots of Bluestar vibes.
In regards to Lionblaze, while I'm not crazy about cats having powers, I would allow it only if Lionblaze's power were better defined. First it's that he can't be beaten in battle, then it's that he can't be hurt (both of which happen). If he can't be beaten in battle then he shouldn't struggle with any warrior, and so I would make it more that he was more skilled than any warrior in battle, that way you leave room for him to say struggle a little in a fight but eventually win, or maybe even loose a fight once in a blue moon if he's against several cats.
I would rotate clans; ThunderClan is great, but they aren't the only cats in the forest. That also opens you up to give previous main character's a break, and to do a time jump when you do come back to them.
As far as SpottedxFirexSand: I would either make FirexSpotted just friends or allow Spottedleaf to live a lot longer. It doesn't really make sense that there was ever really anything more than a crush between them, and that should have faded once she DIED. It never made sense that there was ever a choice for him to make, so what I would do is have Spottedleaf live (possibly until Rising Storm- I would go longer, but I still want Yellowfang and Cinderpelt to be TC medicine cats) and have an unspoken love exist between them, where they clearly have the feelings but they don't address it. Then she dies, and Sandstorm enters the picture, initially as a friend and shoulder to lean on, and then as something more. That way his feelings of conflict are real- he loved Spottedleaf, but they never got to be together and now she's dead, and then here's Sandstorm, a she cat he can love and be with, but he isn't over Spottedleaf and can't even say so.
The Dark Forest needs a lot of work. It was an interesting concept and it added lots of drama to the series, but the way they handled it did way more damage than good to the story. It was one thing when Tigerstar was visiting his relatives, but it was another when they could just visit any cat. At that point they were already as powerful as StarClan, and then they were able to train cats and have multiple cats in the DF at once and even injure and kill living cats. And since they could do this in the fourth apprentice, they were already more powerful than StarClan long before the final battle. The series got way too syfy and did so way too poorly for it to stay. In order to have living recruits in the DF, you'd have to explain why they're there- so, how about just having a representative or two from each clan train in the DF, and then have them train living cats in the living world. Also, I don't know that I would keep the DF cats being able to walk among the living as if they are alive, because if they can do that, and kill cats in their sleep, and visit any cat they want, then they could just kill all the living cats in their sleep and skirt the whole battle. If you're going to rip of Nightmare on Elm Street, might as well do it right.
I would remove some of the backstory on character's that really only makes them sympathetic when they aren't meant to be sympathetic.
Tigerstar would have to be a little more complex; he was a little too obvious as a villain for no one else but Firestar, Ravenpaw and Graystripe to see it. Maybe include a scene where he risks his life to save Bluestar, which would explain why she wouldn't see him as a bad cat unless she absolutely had to, which would also put doubt in Firestar's mind and in the minds of everyone else.
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Post by Tas on Jul 25, 2017 9:42:59 GMT -5
This sounds so cool! I think I actually had a somewhat similar idea in mind, just for an entirely different thing I'm doing and it's with humans rather than animals. Let's see... here are just some things I'd rewrite. Sandstorm being the prophecy cat from the first arc instead of Firestar, who is simply mistaken to be the one by Bluestar and Spottedleaf. Either that, or both cats are involved in the prophecy. Introduce BloodClan sooner and have Firestar and Scourge's kinship mean something in the story. Romantic pairings staying platonic, like Fire x Spotted and Gray x Millie. Killing Briarlight off sooner, and resolving the Millie-Blossomfall drama within the story or just not including the entire subplot at all. Redtail, Lionheart, Spottedleaf, and Oakheart living longer. Making Tigerstar into a less obvious villain, and the same goes for a few others as well. Graystripe and Darkstripe being Whitestorm's kits. Cats like Tawnypelt and Brindleface actually living up to their names. More morally gray characters. More developed romances, but less forbidden ones. I wouldn't mind forbidden romances in the background, though, like BeechxGorse. BramblexFeather and StormxSquirrel, or StormxTawny and CrowxSquirrel, is something I wouldn't have minded. Hawkfrost and Mothwing personality swap, with Hawkfrost being a red herring. Also, making them Leopardstar's kits instead of Sasha's. A civil war within ThunderClan. Tawnypelt and Crowfeather being the leaders of their Clans (had Crowfeather not attempted to run away, that is). Also, him being at least somewhat of a better father to Breezepelt than he was in canon or at the very least acknowledging his terrible actions and trying to make up for them. Sparkpelt being named Sparkstorm and Needletail being named Needleclaw. Either Hawkwing finishing Darktail off, or him and Onestar doing it together. More developed supporting and background characters, if only slightly. Although I didn't mind it in canon, I'd probably also have Hollyleaf be one of the Three while Dovewing and Ivypool are either just background or supporting characters. More Sol. Simple! More. Sol. I agree that they could have used more red herrings in Warriors. Hawkfrost and Tigerstar were way too obvious, and in my personal opinion having Ravenpaw secretly be Tigerstar's spy until Ravenpaw realizing what Tiger was up to would have been a good thing to add. Firestar and Scourge, definitely!!! I don't love the name Sparkstorm; I prefer Sparkfire or Sparkfur ... although anything's better than Sparkpelt. More Hawkwing, more Redtail, but I'm still glad Lionheart died early. ItW had WAY too many good, fair, just adult males: Lionheart, Redtail, Whitestorm... A civil war would be incredible - but I can see it more in somewhere like RiverClan or WindClan. Although another WindClan fight over leadership wouldn't be good. RiverClan, though, for sure. Some cats think that Mistystar is too soft and that she shouldn't have appointed her son as deputy... ahhhh I can TASTE it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 10:38:24 GMT -5
While a lot of you have good points, I was mainly talking from the view point of "if you had been given a brief summary of a warriors arc (into the wild and the prophecies begin, for example, like for my ideas in the first post- say the prompt is "A housepet named Rusty feels called to live the life of a wildcat among four clans- RiverClan, ThunderClan, ShadowClan and WindClan, after being predicted by their medicine cat to be ThunderClans future hero- the fire that'll save their clan." - or something like that, judging by the basic outline of warriors, and judgng by your own reading/writing preferences (ex; do you like family drama in stories like me? Would you add something more between the Jake, Firestar and Scourge connection, thus? What stories, classical stereotypes (ex, certain types of heros) or otherwise, influence your ideas? I seem to like characters who are ultimately brave, but start out by making an escape from fear or distrust. ex, Rusty would leave because he dislikes his father's kingdom and did not want to be heir.). Basically, remake the story in your style, but not so it is completely different. Clans and at least some main cats must stay the same from whatever series you would start from. However, their actions and the way they face things, as well as their history, in same cases, may be changed to reflect ow you would have portrayed the base character.
Though I have to agree on some of the stuff you've all said though, especially in regards to certain cats living longer and getting to know some background characters a bit better! c: Also, I wish Firestar and Scourge found out they where half siblings... that would have been interesting.
And more mysterious Sol would be cool. Didn't like or dislike his backstory in the series, but it was a bit weak, I guess? Could have had more work. I do think this series would get a lot more care though if it was just one or two authors, or the group was assigned certain characters to flesh out better. Characters and stories get more heart to them when the author really cares for and understands them, I would say.
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Post by Lightflame on Jul 25, 2017 13:22:17 GMT -5
- It doesn't really make sense that only Firestar could have saved the Clans when anyone could have done what he did. I would change it to, "Iron Man alone can save our Clan." - The Sight would just be a straight up tournament arc book. Each Clan sends their four strongest warriors to fight each other in the tournament. However, one of the warriors gets sick, and a mysterious stranger shows up, offering to take that cat's place and fight for that Clan in the tournament. - I would change Omen of the Stars into Omen of the Tsars and have Dovewing be a Russian spy. - I would kill off Whitestorm in Bluestar's Prophecy. Since he's alive in the first arc, it would be a really shocking death that no one would expect. - I would cancel Return to the Wild and just have the Seekers be revealed as the true rulers of the Dark Forest. It would show why Lionblaze was needed, since it would be difficult for the Clans to fight bears on their own. - Hawkfrost would only be knocked unconscious by Brambleclaw staking him through the neck. In Power of Three, he would return and join ThunderClan. - The Tribe is unpopular, so I would replace them with a Wal-Mart in the mountains, but keep the plots of their books generally the same. Feathertail would kill Sharptooth with the best-priced stalactite, and Outcast would be about a Target starting up nearby. - Sharpclaw would travel back to the days of the Ancients with Jayfeather, and be very confused. - I would change all the names to be consistent with a random blog on tumblr. Breezepelt would become Cormorantclaw.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 13:28:03 GMT -5
Lightflame... Crowfeather then gets a deal on forbidden romance - have 2 forbidden romances, get 1 Nightcloud free?
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Post by Jei-Dinofelini on Jul 25, 2017 16:47:55 GMT -5
I will write my part here as well but I believe it will be a quite long essay. I have a lot to say about this but that needs to be done in few days. I need to think.
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Post by Lightflame on Jul 25, 2017 17:00:58 GMT -5
Also, Slash would be a horse with eight legs and One Eye would control two ravens named Thought and Memory.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 3:56:59 GMT -5
Probably not what you meant, but hey, these are my ideas:
- The book 1 prologue is just Spottedleaf getting the fire prophecy.
- Ravenpaw watches the fight between Graypaw and Rusty, as Graypaw and him were out hunting together.
- Longtail attempts to fight Rusty, but Bluestar tells him not to.
- Dustpaw shows no romantic attraction toward Sandpaw but they're just best friends.
- Brokenstar is the only villain in the 1st arc.
- Three moons after Firepaw joins ThunderClan, Redtail is killed by warriors from ShadowClan trespassing on ThunderClan territory.
- Since Tigerclaw isn't a villain yet, Ravenpaw stays in the Clan.
- Sandpaw becomes Sandstorm and Dustpaw becomes Dustclaw.
- RC, WC, and TC fight SC, where they notice Brokenstar has taken in many rogues.
- Brokenstar and his rogues are driven out, and Blackfoot becomes the new leader of SC.
- After the battle, Graypaw becomes Graystripe, Ravenpaw becomes Ravenfang and Firepaw becomes Fireheart.
- Ravenfang asks Fireheart to be his mate. He agrees.
- Graystripe becomes mates with Silverstream - they had been secretly meeting since they were apprentices.
- Silverstream dies while kitting, giving birth to Silverkit and Stormkit.
- RC allows RD to keep the kits and Graystripe stays in TC.
- Raventhroat is discovered dead, with the scent of rogue and faint SC all over his body.
- Saddened, Fireheart takes Sandstorm as his mate.
Finishing this later
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