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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 14:48:04 GMT -5
What are your pet peeves in the Warriors Fandom? Mine would have to be when people defend Mapleshade just because they feel sorry for her. I cannot stand that. There is no justified reason for her killing 3 cats. Period. She's done it, she deserves kitty Hell.
I also dislike the overused "mary-sue" word people use for Dovewing and sometimes even the other cats from the Three. They have also used it on Cinderheart once, like... did you forget her major break out when she found out about Lionblaze's prophecy?? lol
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Post by kinkajou on Jul 21, 2017 15:59:46 GMT -5
When people defend Crowfeather, Rainflower, ect's parenting. You can like them, and explain the reasons behind their actions, but can't justify what they did
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Post by Basement Cat on Jul 21, 2017 17:17:29 GMT -5
People who just have to act superior and above everyone else because clearly they are the only ones who make any sense. You know, it's pretty sad. It's a book about fighting cats. It's not even that well written either. It's pointless to try and kick other people down in order to stay on top when it won't even amount to anything.
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Post by Darkfang ☾ on Jul 21, 2017 17:25:32 GMT -5
I don't like it when people are nasty to authors/helpers when something is 'confirmed' that they don't agree with like a cat's coloring. I know it's only a vocal minority of the fandom but still.
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Post by Wyver on Jul 21, 2017 17:25:41 GMT -5
Saying that Fireheart/Firestar was a flat-out mary-sue in the first series.
There were moments where he should have messed up more, and his lack of his more obvious flaws was definitely troublesome, but he was in no way, shape, or form a mary-sue. From Fire And Ice onward he was a trainwreck of constant stress and anxiety. He constantly broke the trust of his Clanmates, was honestly very quick to judge people (Bramblepaw, for instance), and had trouble with forgiving people at times (Longtail is a big one). There were also instances where he had trouble saying "no", thus only shoving himself into more trouble. He had to face everyday paranoia, not just from Tigerstar and Bluestar's breakdown, along with Graystripe's irritating romance endeavor, but also because every move he made could be—and was—used against him to prove his disloyalty to ThunderClan.
Yes, he wasn't very well written in the first place (him knowing almost everything that was going on definitely wasn't good writing at all), but he wasn't "perfect" like people like to make him out to be.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 17:31:29 GMT -5
It bothers me when people take one or two, or maybe a couple of instances of a character doing something and over exaggerate it and make it their whole character. I've probably even done this myself, but it annoys me.
For example, Dovewing is frustrated with her powers a couple of times, and now all of a sudden she's a useless immature crybaby who complains 24/7 about her powers. Or Firestar allows a few kittypets to join, and now he's made out to be like he's brought every single house cat on the face of the planet into ThunderClan.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jul 21, 2017 19:48:06 GMT -5
When people baby characters like Ashfur and Lionblaze, and defend characters like Millie and Crowfeather, I just...wha??
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Post by Moonblazer on Jul 21, 2017 19:58:34 GMT -5
When characters are given only one trait. Such as Berrynose being nothing but "annoying and immature" when he clearly is much more complex and respectable than countless other cats.
How it's some big and crazy event that Ashfur is in Starclan and not in the Dark Forest. It happened, it's over, he wasn't even relevantly used as a Starclan cat anyway? So...I don't know, I just don't care where he ends up.
The term Overrated. It's just me, but I really dislike using a term like that. A character is how we perceve them, just because alot of people enjoy a character, does not make them overrated or any kind of negative term, at least in my opinion.
Probably other stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 23:44:55 GMT -5
☁︎ out of character ☁︎ how pretentious we can be
☁︎ roleplay ☁︎
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Post by Mistybreeze on Jul 22, 2017 0:46:43 GMT -5
When people bash on certain characters making them out to be a whole lot worse than they really are. Dovewing and Ivypool, anyone?
When people bully another fan so much than she disappears off of social media entirely. Yes, the Su incident still makes my blood boil.
When the extremely vocal factions force the authors to give in to their wishes. Ferncloud did not deserve to die, d*mmit it!
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Post by Card against Humanity on Jul 22, 2017 13:38:06 GMT -5
That fact that 90% of this fandom doesn't seem to realise that "badly written character" is NOT the same as "mary sue."
I've seen so many characters be called mary sues, when in reality they were just badly written characters. The definition of a mary sue is a character with either 1. no flaws, or 2. flaws that are painted in a positive light/don't actually matter [see: Bella Swan].
Firestar is not a gary stu because he actually had intentional flaws, he just had a severe case of author favouritism. Dovewing is not a mary sue because, again, she had intentional flaws: she was just really annoying. Lionblaze was not a gary stu because, while he was very overpowered, he still had flaws. They weren't very well written, but they were still there. Starflower was not a mary sue because she was manipulative. Cinderheart is not a mary sue, she's just an unnecessary and annoying character. Silverstream is not a mary sue because she was a spoiled brat who ended up dying horribly. I don't think I have to explain why Millie isn't a mary sue.
The only two characters in Warriors who could be considered borderline Mary Sues are Spottedleaf and Brightstream, and even Spottedleaf might not even fit the criteria, considering that she was apparently in love with an apprentice when she was a full-grown adult.
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Post by Solarmyr on Jul 22, 2017 14:35:19 GMT -5
When people try to justify the bad things an antagonist did or said, sometimes to the point of treating them like a "sweet innocent baby who could do nothing wrong uwu". I dislike this generally, but it seems kind of prevalent in the Warriors fandom with the likes of Ashfur, Scourge, Mapleshade, Breezepelt and a couple of other characters.
Antagonists do bad things. That's their thing. They can have reasoning behind their actions, but that reasoning doesn't justify said actions and make them okay, regardless as to how bad their past was or the bad things they've went through.
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Post by finland on Jul 22, 2017 17:41:31 GMT -5
When people guilt trip those who ship something that they don't. Like when they draw Cinderpelt crying and looking heartbroken while Firestar and Sandstorm are together. When people have a crush on the cats.
When people bash artists who draw head tufts on the cats.
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Post by Rainstorm1026 on Jul 22, 2017 18:17:23 GMT -5
When people call rogues "Rouges" I know it's small but every time...just...grr...
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Post by 𝕡𝕖𝕡𝕡𝕖𝕣𝕞𝕚𝕟𝕥 on Jul 22, 2017 18:28:28 GMT -5
When people refuse to accept that other people have different opinions from them. It's perfectly fine to disagree with others—that's inevitable, of course—but you need to accept that not everyone will agree with you. There's a difference between respectful debate and full-on flaming.
This is especially notable since this series has many controversial aspects that are constantly argued over by fans.
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Post by M𝖊𝖙𝖆𝖑 𝖈𝖔𝖇𝖗𝖆 on Jul 23, 2017 20:33:26 GMT -5
When people refuse to see characters as villains or at least antagonists, despite the Erins very clearly meaning for them to be so. And then, of course, when you explain why the character is meant to be a villain and provide proof, you obviously favor another character and your argument is invalid. ._.
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Post by Mistybreeze on Jul 23, 2017 23:52:03 GMT -5
When people try to justify the bad things an antagonist did or said, sometimes to the point of treating them like a "sweet innocent baby who could do nothing wrong uwu". I dislike this generally, but it seems kind of prevalent in the Warriors fandom with the likes of Ashfur, Scourge, Mapleshade, Breezepelt and a couple of other characters.
Antagonists do bad things. That's their thing. They can have reasoning behind their actions, but that reasoning doesn't justify said actions and make them okay, regardless as to how bad their past was or the bad things they've went through. Let me add on to this and say when the opposite happens. Far too many people assume that anyone explaining why a villain did something agrees with them. Explanations does NOT equal agreement. This still happens when debating Clear Sky.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jul 24, 2017 0:54:09 GMT -5
When people try to justify the bad things an antagonist did or said, sometimes to the point of treating them like a "sweet innocent baby who could do nothing wrong uwu". I dislike this generally, but it seems kind of prevalent in the Warriors fandom with the likes of Ashfur, Scourge, Mapleshade, Breezepelt and a couple of other characters.
Antagonists do bad things. That's their thing. They can have reasoning behind their actions, but that reasoning doesn't justify said actions and make them okay, regardless as to how bad their past was or the bad things they've went through. Let me add on to this and say when the opposite happens. Far too many people assume that anyone explaining why a villain did something agrees with them. Explanations does NOT equal agreement. This still happens when debating Clear Sky. Omg this so much. I don't know how many times people thought I was agreeing with Breezepelt, Ashfur and Darktail's actions when I'm simply explaining why they did what they did, there reasoning, etc. Also sure, maybe I like them as a character, but you can like a character and still not agree with their actions. I've seen so many people do this with characters like Crowfeather and Millie, but ridicule people that like villain characters. It makes no sense to me.
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Post by Mistybreeze on Jul 24, 2017 1:44:43 GMT -5
Let me add on to this and say when the opposite happens. Far too many people assume that anyone explaining why a villain did something agrees with them. Explanations does NOT equal agreement. This still happens when debating Clear Sky. Omg this so much. I don't know how many times people thought I was agreeing with Breezepelt, Ashfur and Darktail's actions when I'm simply explaining why they did what they did, there reasoning, etc. Also sure, maybe I like them as a character, but you can like a character and still not agree with their actions. I've seen so many people do this with characters like Crowfeather and Millie, but ridicule people that like villain characters. It makes no sense to me. The only villain I've ever tried to explain is Clear Sky. Every single thread on him has at least one person attacking someone who is explaining his actions. It's ridiculous.
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Post by gannetstorm on Jul 24, 2017 6:33:20 GMT -5
People who don't understand that sometimes you like villains and dislike heroes and there's not really a particular reason for it. As someone who used to like Thistleclaw before Spottedleafs Heart completely ruined him and who still dislikes Bluestar, conversations about fave/least fave cats could very quickly become frustrating.
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Post by Amber on Jul 24, 2017 13:21:10 GMT -5
When people say the cats being genetically accurate would be boring, when in reality that's quite the opposite. Yes, you have the common ginger, cream, gray, tortoiseshell, black and brown tabby, but there's so much more than that. There's silver, silver-shaded cats, silver tortoiseshells, amber cats, russet cats, colorpoints, albinos, chocolate, cinnamon, lilac, fawn and any of those as tortoiseshells, white recessive genes, cool looking chimeras, different types of tabbies, various mutations, the list just goes on!
When people have names like "Hopefeather", "Darkback", "Boltsand", "Dogfoot" and "Tigerbite". They just sound really weird and un-Warriors like to me at least. Also having names that end in -ed or -ing.
Fanfictions that have canon characters as OOC characters. I've seen this with a few Bramblestar and Jessy fanfics that pain Squirrelflight in a negative light. Also other fanfictions that try to force people to sympathize bad guy and hate the good guy. I also don't really like how a lot of things in fanfictions are black and white and not gray.
This might have already been said a few times, but when people flat-out excuse villainous actions because a character "loved too much" or "had a bad childhood". Yes I get it, having bad childhoods or being rejected can cause someone to act out, but it shouldn't excuse their actions because they still have control over them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 13:41:51 GMT -5
When someone calls out someone a mary-sue yet they point out their flaws.
EX: Dovewing is such a sue! She sneaks out to meet with Tigerheart and she is so mean to Ivypool!
Just.. did you not read what you just said? Ugh.
Also, when people dislike characters for minor reasons. Like Millie keeping her name, or Daisy and Ferncloud being "useless". That doesn't mean they're not loyal. They still serve the clan, they just want to he respected for what they do and still have a different purpose.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 13:43:28 GMT -5
Finally, "She took his mate away from her!"
Like Spotted x Fire x Sand. Sandstorm gets a lot of hate for apparently taking Firestar away from Spottedleaf, despite being a well developed character, while they don't realize that Spottedleaf has an obsession over Firestar nor does she respect his space.
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Post by Sootfeather on Jul 26, 2017 16:15:39 GMT -5
When people say the cats being genetically accurate would be boring, when in reality that's quite the opposite. Yes, you have the common ginger, cream, gray, tortoiseshell, black and brown tabby, but there's so much more than that. There's silver, silver-shaded cats, silver tortoiseshells, amber cats, russet cats, colorpoints, albinos, chocolate, cinnamon, lilac, fawn and any of those as tortoiseshells, white recessive genes, cool looking chimeras, different types of tabbies, various mutations, the list just goes on! When people have names like "Hopefeather", "Darkback", "Boltsand", "Dogfoot" and "Tigerbite". They just sound really weird and un-Warriors like to me at least. Also having names that end in -ed or -ing. Fanfictions that have canon characters as OOC characters. I've seen this with a few Bramblestar and Jessy fanfics that pain Squirrelflight in a negative light. Also other fanfictions that try to force people to sympathize bad guy and hate the good guy. I also don't really like how a lot of things in fanfictions are black and white and not gray. This might have already been said a few times, but when people flat-out excuse villainous actions because a character "loved too much" or "had a bad childhood". Yes I get it, having bad childhoods or being rejected can cause someone to act out, but it shouldn't excuse their actions because they still have control over them. Actually, Hopefeather isn't an impossible name. One of Yellowfang's deceased kits was named Hopekit, and -feather is a very common suffix.
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Post by M𝖊𝖙𝖆𝖑 𝖈𝖔𝖇𝖗𝖆 on Jul 26, 2017 18:10:31 GMT -5
When people have names like "Hopefeather", "Darkback", "Boltsand", "Dogfoot" and "Tigerbite". They just sound really weird and un-Warriors like to me at least. Also having names that end in -ed or -ing. Real talk, I've heard stories about people using names like "Highheels" and "Paperballerina" for warrior names. -shudder- If anything kills me inside, it's names like those.
Also, I joined a Warriors RP once that had this admin that was VERY particular about names. Even names that are used fleetingly in histories. I literally came up with a few names like "Glidepaw" or "Ambereyes", which were only mentioned once, and the admin PMed me saying that if I didn't change the names, the application was going to be denied. Her reasoning? "Glide-" isn't a warrior prefix because "it's a verb, and verbs aren't used as prefixes" -cough there's literally a warrior named Slightfoot cough-. Oh, and the other one? "Kittens don't open their eyes until 10-14 days of age, so it's impossible to know the eye color of a cat to name it". Because there definitely wasn't a ThunderClan deputy named "Greeneyes" or anything. -.-
Like, dear StarClan, if you're going to be a jerk about name choices that aren't even OCs, maybe don't exclude rules that were established in the books?
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Post by Alpha on Jul 26, 2017 19:01:44 GMT -5
When people have names like "Hopefeather", "Darkback", "Boltsand", "Dogfoot" and "Tigerbite". They just sound really weird and un-Warriors like to me at least. Also having names that end in -ed or -ing. Real talk, I've heard stories about people using names like "Highheels" and "Paperballerina" for warrior names. -shudder- If anything kills me inside, it's names like those.
Also, I joined a Warriors RP once that had this admin that was VERY particular about names. Even names that are used fleetingly in histories. I literally came up with a few names like "Glidepaw" or "Ambereyes", which were only mentioned once, and the admin PMed me saying that if I didn't change the names, the application was going to be denied. Her reasoning? "Glide-" isn't a warrior prefix because "it's a verb, and verbs aren't used as prefixes" -cough there's literally a warrior named Slightfoot cough-. Oh, and the other one? "Kittens don't open their eyes until 10-14 days of age, so it's impossible to know the eye color of a cat to name it". Because there definitely wasn't a ThunderClan deputy named "Greeneyes" or anything. -.-
Like, dear StarClan, if you're going to be a jerk about name choices that aren't even OCs, maybe don't exclude rules that were established in the books?
(I don't think Slight- was used that way. All prefixes are nouns or adjectives, so Glidingpaw would be valid but Glidepaw wouldn't. There's a reason why it's Runningwind and not Runwind) (I also disagree with your statement about the other name)
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Post by M𝖊𝖙𝖆𝖑 𝖈𝖔𝖇𝖗𝖆 on Jul 26, 2017 19:51:56 GMT -5
Real talk, I've heard stories about people using names like "Highheels" and "Paperballerina" for warrior names. -shudder- If anything kills me inside, it's names like those.
Also, I joined a Warriors RP once that had this admin that was VERY particular about names. Even names that are used fleetingly in histories. I literally came up with a few names like "Glidepaw" or "Ambereyes", which were only mentioned once, and the admin PMed me saying that if I didn't change the names, the application was going to be denied. Her reasoning? "Glide-" isn't a warrior prefix because "it's a verb, and verbs aren't used as prefixes" -cough there's literally a warrior named Slightfoot cough-. Oh, and the other one? "Kittens don't open their eyes until 10-14 days of age, so it's impossible to know the eye color of a cat to name it". Because there definitely wasn't a ThunderClan deputy named "Greeneyes" or anything. -.-
Like, dear StarClan, if you're going to be a jerk about name choices that aren't even OCs, maybe don't exclude rules that were established in the books?
(I don't think Slight- was used that way. All prefixes are nouns or adjectives, so Glidingpaw would be valid but Glidepaw wouldn't. There's a reason why it's Runningwind and not Runwind) (I also disagree with your statement about the other name) The thing was, I talked to her about changing "Glidepaw" to "Glidingpaw", and she still wouldn't have it. ._. Again, because it "wasn't a real warrior name".
And what do you mean about the other name?
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Post by Lightflame on Jul 28, 2017 8:28:46 GMT -5
- When Breezepelt apologists don't have any good arguments, so they start ranting about Lionblaze instead of replying to what was said about Breezepelt. - People who complain about the Erins not using traditionalism. I'm okay if people would like if all the suffixes had a meaning, but these people specifically want the Erins to use traditionalism. Especially when they suggest terrible replacement names for characters, like Cormorantclaw for Breezepelt and Juniperleaf for Jayfeather. - People who say that ShadowClan is just the edgy, evil Clan, when that's always been untrue, all the way back since the first book. Especially when they complain about ShadowClan being the "evil Clan". There are many valid complaints that could be made about the portrayal of ShadowClan, but that's not one of them. (I'll list those complaints on request.) - This is just personal, but I honestly can't stand humanized versions of the characters. I just ignore them though, letting other people enjoy what they like. Although there was one time I questioned someone's headcanon that Graystripe had dyslexia, before finding out it was a humanized Graystripe. That got added to a callout post for me, as proof I was ableist and hated minors. - WCkin on tumblr.
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Post by Maplestone360 on Jul 28, 2017 10:40:19 GMT -5
When people completely misunderstand some of the characters. And when they judge/hate a character for that one mistake they made.
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on Jul 28, 2017 11:26:35 GMT -5
When people are just plain rude for no reason.
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