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Post by me on Jul 16, 2017 9:02:44 GMT -5
I can't imagine Tigerheart training in DF for a long time . He is a loyal cat to his clan and clever , one of which can understand what they' re doing is wrong . I think his training in DF was short , and I don't think that it help him so much , even though Tigerstar taught him . Even though I can't think that Tigerheart could trained in DF for a long time , as Ivypool , he is a strong cat , like her .
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jul 16, 2017 19:54:32 GMT -5
When it comes to who's possibly stronger, I'm moving my money on Ivypool. Not out of bias, but based off what we've been given. She's gotten a reputation for her fighting skills at this point, similar to Lionblaze who was feared by other clan cats. Also Tigerstar may have trained with Tigerheart, but that was probably due to them being direct kin, similar to how he tried to recruit Lionblaze(while he thought they were kin) and Bramblestar. Ivypool is shown to be much more brutal, killing Antpelt, twice, she was going to kill Flametail, but was stopped by Tigerheart, and she fought both Snowtuft and Thistleclaw off at the same time. Of course they both trained in the DF, but they probably got different training, but I'm still thinking Ivypool would use her quick-wittiness to win.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 20:02:23 GMT -5
When it comes to who's possibly stronger, I'm moving my money on Ivypool. Not out of bias, but based off what we've been given. She's gotten a reputation for her fighting skills at this point, similar to Lionblaze who was feared by other clan cats. Also Tigerstar may have trained with Tigerheart, but that was probably due to them being direct kin, similar to how he tried to recruit Lionblaze(while he thought they were kin) and Bramblestar. Ivypool is shown to be much more brutal, killing Antpelt, twice, she was going to kill Flametail, but was stopped by Tigerheart, and she fought both Snowtuft and Thistleclaw off at the same time. Of course they both trained in the DF, but they probably got different training, but I'm still thinking Ivypool would use her quick-wittiness to win. Don't forget that even Hawkfrost was terrified of her strength.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jul 16, 2017 20:09:58 GMT -5
When it comes to who's possibly stronger, I'm moving my money on Ivypool. Not out of bias, but based off what we've been given. She's gotten a reputation for her fighting skills at this point, similar to Lionblaze who was feared by other clan cats. Also Tigerstar may have trained with Tigerheart, but that was probably due to them being direct kin, similar to how he tried to recruit Lionblaze(while he thought they were kin) and Bramblestar. Ivypool is shown to be much more brutal, killing Antpelt, twice, she was going to kill Flametail, but was stopped by Tigerheart, and she fought both Snowtuft and Thistleclaw off at the same time. Of course they both trained in the DF, but they probably got different training, but I'm still thinking Ivypool would use her quick-wittiness to win. Don't forget that even Hawkfrost was terrified of her strength. That's true! It's truly interesting to see when the mentor becomes afraid of their own prodigy/student. Also there was the time when even Bramblestar was thankful Ivypool was on their side, when he saw how she was teaching the other cats to be vicious against Badgers. And when they were fighting them he noted how brutally she was attacking their face and eyes, that's crazy scary. I think even Ivypool is afraid of herself sometimes...
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jul 16, 2017 20:11:01 GMT -5
I think when it comes down to it, Tigerheart has morals and wouldn't fight in certain battles or certain ways, while Ivypool would be willing to if it meant something important was on the line, like her clan and her kin. She probably wouldn't hesitate. Her time in the DF has made her quite the character, she had everyone fooled, they even trusted her to train other cats, deeming that she's brutal enough to influence others. I think that's pretty interesting tbh. On the other hand...I see Tigerheart as a more strict version of Fireheart, who would put his morals before sacrifices.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 20:13:34 GMT -5
Don't forget that even Hawkfrost was terrified of her strength. That's true! It's truly interesting to see when the mentor becomes afraid of their own prodigy/student. Also there was the time when even Bramblestar was thankful Ivypool was on their side, when he saw how she was teaching the other cats to be vicious against Badgers. And when they were fighting them he noted how brutally she was attacking their face and eyes, that's crazy scary. I think even Ivypool is afraid of herself sometimes... What the Dark Forest warriors taught her most likely became a part of her instincts at this point. I think she feels guilty about it though. Still kinda salty that a fight between Needletail and Ivypool never happened, and this is coming from someone who doesn't even like Ivypool. She deserved a kick in the butt.
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Post by Basement Cat on Jul 16, 2017 20:27:10 GMT -5
I dunno man, I just want to see Lionblaze and Ivypool fight
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Post by Moonblazer on Jul 16, 2017 20:39:09 GMT -5
Can we just have a clan WWE fight? Like, on the ropes, cat suplexes, winner take all?
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jul 16, 2017 20:43:52 GMT -5
I dunno man, I just want to see Lionblaze and Ivypool fight I'd pay money for that.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jul 16, 2017 20:44:57 GMT -5
That's true! It's truly interesting to see when the mentor becomes afraid of their own prodigy/student. Also there was the time when even Bramblestar was thankful Ivypool was on their side, when he saw how she was teaching the other cats to be vicious against Badgers. And when they were fighting them he noted how brutally she was attacking their face and eyes, that's crazy scary. I think even Ivypool is afraid of herself sometimes... What the Dark Forest warriors taught her most likely became a part of her instincts at this point. I think she feels guilty about it though. Still kinda salty that a fight between Needletail and Ivypool never happened, and this is coming from someone who doesn't even like Ivypool. She deserved a kick in the butt. I was like YASSSS when Ivypool was ready to tear Needletail a new one, I bet she could have beaten up her and Rain at the same time, like omg what wasted potential!
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Post by Moonblazer on Jul 16, 2017 20:48:04 GMT -5
I WAS ABOUT TO GET SO LIT FOR A NEEDLETAIL IVYPOOL BRAWL I WAS LIKE
GET HER IVYPOOL, WRECK HER ENTIRE LIFE BBY
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jul 16, 2017 20:51:46 GMT -5
OMG RIGHT DOH! Ivypool would have have taken that pride, and thrown it into a shredder machine, cause lmao it won't be worth nothing when she done. Imagine how embarrassing it would be to get beaten up in front of your boyfriend and adopted sister and her sister, lmaoo. Then you gotta watch your boyfriend get beaten up too, omg---
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Post by Moonblazer on Jul 16, 2017 20:54:53 GMT -5
And the best part.
Needletail thinks she's rebellious and has suffered and can act high and mighty. But fact in case is that Ivypool has killed cats, has walked and trained in literal hell, battled in the greatest battle for the clans, and got beat and bruised and torn apart before earning any kind of respect from the cats she was spying on, before becoming a feared and respected fighter alongside Lionblaze and others.
So tell me, Needletail sweetie.
Who gonna win?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 21:23:56 GMT -5
But the real question is, would Ivypool win against Scourge? He beat Tigerstar after all. But that's because Tigerstar underestimated him. Ivypool is smart, so it's possible..
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jul 16, 2017 21:39:52 GMT -5
Just imagine, Ivypool after she beat up Rain and Needletail and she has her paw on Needletail's face shoving her into the dirt. "If I ever smell your rat stench ever again I'll make sure next time you'll be left with more than a few scratches." her voice would be so cold and deadly, literally scaring Needltail. And when she lets up she and Rain bolt.
On the other hand what if things happened like they did in canon, and Ivypool warned her not to touch Twigpaw ever again. But then in SS during that battle, she attacks Twigpaw and Ivypool shows up, dragging her up and tearing into her with blow after blow on top of her. *grabs some popcorn*
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Post by whiteflight on Jul 17, 2017 19:56:49 GMT -5
XDDD watching you guys talking about Ivypool beating up Needletail is making me laugh cause I'm loving what you guys are saying.
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Post by Lightflame on Jul 25, 2017 13:28:35 GMT -5
I mean, Ivypool's feats aren't as good as her fans claim, but Tigerheart's only feats are carrying a corpse and almost drowning when a log fell on him.
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Post by smoshfang on Aug 4, 2017 8:02:52 GMT -5
In all honesty, Tigerheart seems scarier than he is due to his kin being Tigerstar in my opinion. In the end, he hasn't had as much real battle experience as cats like Ivypool and so on. He's more intimidating than powerful and that's his only real advantage. But Ivypool is one of the best fighters from what I've heard and is one of the more humble cat's I've read about in the series while Tigerheart acts like he's all tough tbh. Tbh I bet even a cat like Needletail, Dawnpelt, Birchfall or even Sparkpelt could beat him. In the end Ivypool has skill and strategy which can easily overpower strength, and I know that from experience tbh. Sometimes, the strongest warrior isn't thorugh physical strentgh. tigerheart, like someone else said, would be a more strict version of fireheart. Where instead of going for the kill, like Ivypool would, Tigerheart would go for blows that would only disable but not seriously harm Ivypool. despite this, I could see Ivypool Winning, but it's much closer than anyone can imagine...+ we haven't seen his full potential. with TS, that can change and we can how good of a fighter he is. tbh, This quote would make sense in a fight between the 2. do you know who said it? "You can kill me, but you will never destroy me. It takes strength to resist the dark side. Only the weak embrace it." Tigerheart would be saying this to Ivypool in a sense saying "I have control of my actions. I choose not to kill for it is wrong. Can you say the same?" so as I said a minute ago, Ivypool would win, but only barely and would be in deep thought afterward.
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Post by Owlmoon on Aug 4, 2017 15:27:16 GMT -5
Ivypool vs. Tigerheart? Ivypool would beat him, paws down.
tbh, I don't understand why it's never mentioned that Tigerheart was a member of the DF. It was so strange. Especially when he didn't even need to be convinced to fight on the side of ShadowClan.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 22:52:05 GMT -5
Ivypool vs. Tigerheart? Ivypool would beat him, paws down.
tbh, I don't understand why it's never mentioned that Tigerheart was a member of the DF. It was so strange. Especially when he didn't even need to be convinced to fight on the side of ShadowClan. Tigerheart said he came to spy, like Ivypool. But even then, I'm not sure why he spied.. it was never really explained, besides that.
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Post by Owlmoon on Aug 6, 2017 17:22:56 GMT -5
Ivypool vs. Tigerheart? Ivypool would beat him, paws down.
tbh, I don't understand why it's never mentioned that Tigerheart was a member of the DF. It was so strange. Especially when he didn't even need to be convinced to fight on the side of ShadowClan. Tigerheart said he came to spy, like Ivypool. But even then, I'm not sure why he spied.. it was never really explained, besides that. Oh. I didn't know that. Thanks, Aqua.
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