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Post by Darkshine Laufeyson-Barnes on Apr 24, 2017 13:29:04 GMT -5
I don't even care right now how much backlash I'm going to get for this. You all can go ahead and spew at me why I'm wrong.
I am so sick and tired of how people treat Vicky and Su. It makes me disgusted. Sure, people don't have to agree with everything that's written or said, but then they just go around writing really rude remarks behind their backs. There is something seriously wrong with that! I was genuinely shocked and very sad when I read she wouldn't be writing for Warriors anymore this morning. Warriors has changed my life in multiple ways, and even if I did stop reading the books (which right now is a definite no) I wouldn't add to all the hate that some people have put out there. They are human beings, and maybe Vicky isn't writing anymore because she's ran out of ideas, but I still think that all of the things she's read that people have said might have been a factor to, even if she says it wasn't.
I didn't get to thoroughly plan this out, but I think I've made my point.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 13:38:16 GMT -5
the way the writers handle this series is in itself disrespectful. the only thing i agree with is that no one should send their hate directly to vicky or su. that's the only thing i don't like people doing. i have the right to feel this disgusted with how PROFESSIONAL WRITERS such as the erins handle their own series. and even the publishing company milking out this series which in itself resulted in all these bad decisions and contradictions in the first place. just let the series die so no one like me can complain about their poor decision making and poor writing ever again.
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Post by tiger beetle on Apr 24, 2017 13:43:47 GMT -5
I think complaining about their constant contradictions, lack of knowledge (or at least keeping a record so they can look stuff up, then actually checking it out) about their own series, and (subjective, but) poor writing decisions is legitimate, but I do agree they shouldn't be getting hate for this...I think that Vicky forgetting all her cats or whatever merits complaint (they are published authors), though of course not hate
if that makes sense
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Post by Tas on Apr 24, 2017 13:46:34 GMT -5
I totally agree with you. It's impossible not to make mistakes when there are so many writers making such a complicated series. I really dislike the editors, but the Erins are amazing and I hope they continue the series.
I had no idea Vicky was leaving, and I'm saddened. Is it because of Bravelands? Or is she leaving Erin Hunter fully?
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Apr 24, 2017 13:48:07 GMT -5
I agree. Vicky and Su shouldn't be getting hate, but then again, the Erins are supposed to be professional writers.
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Apr 24, 2017 13:49:15 GMT -5
I totally agree with you. It's impossible not to make mistakes when there are so many writers making such a complicated series. I really dislike the editors, but the Erins are amazing and I hope they continue the series. I had no idea Vicky was leaving, and I'm saddened. Is it because of Bravelands? Or is she leaving Erin Hunter fully? She's leaving it fully and none of the original Erins will even be involved with Bravelands, it'll be written by Gillian and her crew.
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Post by Tas on Apr 24, 2017 13:51:18 GMT -5
Interesting. I'm looking forward to it.
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Post by Darkfang โพ on Apr 24, 2017 14:28:32 GMT -5
I agree. Yes the series has some faults but without Vicky, Warriors wouldn't even exist. Let's face it, Warriors is fantastic. Whether you grew up with it, relate to it or like it just because it's a gateway to meet likeminded people, Warriors is a great series and none of this would be here without Vicky. I respect her.
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Post by luxray on Apr 24, 2017 14:41:45 GMT -5
I get what you're saying here, Darkshine, however I did want to say that I don't think people writing critiques, complaints or frustrations on their own blogs or in threads or etc, simply because they want better things, can be considered as talking trash behind someones back (especially when the people, behind the series they like, are professional writers and not fanfic authors). Sharing these things with the creators can also be fine & dandy (as long as they are constructive crit. and not just 'I HATE THIS U SUCK REEEEE'), since when you're in the field of creating things, criticism is actually beneficial and helps you grow. That aside it's a completely different ballpark when you go from voicing your opinions about these things in forums or blogs or etc, vs spitting in the face of the creators, of whatever series you like, and outright harassing them and flooding them with hate. Unfortunately all fandom groups are like this at the moment, though with Warriors it seems like what drew the vultureish people in was the #Confirmed****Cat stuff (which was a terrible idea on multiple fronts, but in regards to Vicky's harassment it just ended up fueling the bully types out there that already harass, trash-talk, and snap at other fans over things like age difference in fanon or canon pairings.) [side note: that is not me saying I like or am okay with Spotted/Thistle, its just me saying its made everyone feel justified in calling other ships, with age difference to some degree, ****philia or implying that's what they are.] What happened with Vicky really sucks, as much as I dislike how she handled everything regarding SH and a lot of her writing decisions in general, it's never appropriate for fans to harass a creator to the point of silence or closing up shop (and while she says that's not what caused it, I'm fairly certain it is, or at least that it played some part in her decision). If you don't like the way something is being written, drawn, acted, etc, to the point where you feel the need to attack other people, then you should stop consuming it. I've seen this happen in so many other fandom spaces though, the Steven Universe fandom for example, has harassed multiple crew members off tumblr or twitter + it's also happening in the Voltron fandom to everyone from the writers to the voice actors to other fans. It's terrible. Fandoms have always been full of vitrol (though it used to be avoidable), but now when the majority of people in them spend most of their time looking for reasons to attack others to fulfill their superiority complexes, this kinda stuff is unfortunately unavoidable until the people involved do a lot of, much needed, growing up.
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Post by Darkshine Laufeyson-Barnes on Apr 24, 2017 14:59:44 GMT -5
I get what you're saying here, Darkshine, however I did want to say that I don't think people writing critiques, complaints or frustrations on their own blogs or in threads or etc, simply because they want better things, can be considered as talking trash behind someones back (especially when the people, behind the series they like, are professional writers and not fanfic authors). Sharing these things with the creators can also be fine & dandy (as long as they are constructive crit. and not just 'I HATE THIS U SUCK REEEEE'), since when you're in the field of creating things, criticism is actually beneficial and helps you grow. That aside it's a completely different ballpark when you go from voicing your opinions about these things in forums or blogs or etc, vs spitting in the face of the creators, of whatever series you like, and outright harassing them and flooding them with hate. Unfortunately all fandom groups are like this at the moment, though with Warriors it seems like what drew the vultureish people in was the #Confirmed****Cat stuff (which was a terrible idea on multiple fronts, but in regards to Vicky's harassment it just ended up fueling the bully types out there that already harass, trash-talk, and snap at other fans over things like age difference in fanon or canon pairings.) [side note: that is not me saying I like or am okay with Spotted/Thistle, its just me saying its made everyone feel justified in calling other ships, with age difference to some degree, ****philia or implying that's what they are.] What happened with Vicky really sucks, as much as I dislike how she handled everything regarding SH and a lot of her writing decisions in general, it's never appropriate for fans to harass a creator to the point of silence or closing up shop (and while she says that's not what caused it, I'm fairly certain it is, or at least that it played some part in her decision). If you don't like the way something is being written, drawn, acted, etc, to the point where you feel the need to attack other people, then you should stop consuming it. I've seen this happen in so many other fandom spaces though, the Steven Universe fandom for example, has harassed multiple crew members off tumblr or twitter + it's also happening in the Voltron fandom to everyone from the writers to the voice actors to other fans. It's terrible. Fandoms have always been full of vitrol (though it used to be avoidable), but now when the majority of people in them spend most of their time looking for reasons to attack others to fulfill their superiority complexes, this kinda stuff is unfortunately unavoidable until the people involved do a lot of, much needed, growing up. You wrote this better than I could have, but I'm glad we're on the same page here. I agree that constructive criticism is fine, I mean, I enjoy it from other people, just as long as it isn't hurtful like you said. Who I'm really talking about is the people who critique but decide to be all rude about it. And comparing it negatively to other series, I believe, is wrong as well. For example, "Such-in-such series doesn't do this, but Warriors does, so why can't the Erins write like them?!" (I know, I'm not the best at debating, explaining, or giving examples, but you know what I'm saying) But if the Erins have a way of writing things, then just let them be. Not every author is going to have the same strategies, and you may like the strategies of one author more than the other. She already admitted that she wasn't able to keep track of family trees and gave valid reason, and since this is a very complicated series with it's enormous cast, and even though there are a ton of editors, I understand why there are so many of those mistakes. But I don't think we need to complain about them, we just need to ignore it.
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Post by Gัฮฑั Sะบั on Apr 24, 2017 15:02:21 GMT -5
I'm so confused. I was gone for like a day or two and now there is all this outrage. Can someone explain to me what is going on?
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Apr 24, 2017 15:04:23 GMT -5
I'm so confused. I was gone for like a day or two and now there is all this outrage. Can someone explain to me what is going on? Here's the short version: Vicky announced that she's officially leaving the series behind, everyone's hating on Su again for something as minor as Rosetail's design change, and apparently Missing Kits isn't canon.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 15:06:17 GMT -5
Billystormplease stop being cringey. this isn't the place to roleplay.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 15:11:04 GMT -5
Billystormcan you stop pretending to be billystorm from the books? this isn't the place for that kind of roleplay. i am being serious. there is a whole other section on ths forums to roleplay. please.
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Post by mimikyutie on Apr 24, 2017 15:15:56 GMT -5
I'm not pretending. What are the books? nobody thinks you're funny
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 15:16:31 GMT -5
mimikyutiedon't bother. just report this person and move on. i already did. twice.
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Post by luxray on Apr 24, 2017 15:18:45 GMT -5
Darkshine Laufeyson-Barnes Don't worry I get what you meant in your explanation haha! For the most part I agree with you, series comparisons rarely work because everything (whether it's books, comics, manga, etc etc) always has different writers. Like you said, no two people will ever write exactly the same or have the exact same ideas, thought process, and way of putting words onto the page, and Warriors has always been written by a team of people vs just one writer so there's bound to be a lot of jumbling. (However proper communication, keeping thorough and updated lists about their characters, their designs, and their relations that they could tab to when necessary, would have probably helped them a lot here.) Sometimes comparisons, in that two series both had a similar subject material, that was simply handled differently, can be effective comparisons but with Warriors I think most people comparing it forget its marketed as a children's series first and foremost and therefore can't really be compared to anything that doesn't also come from the children's series section. Now I firmly believe Warriors should be marketed for teens and up, I have since I was a kid due to the amount of gristle and gore that's littered throughout the series, but I still remind myself to remember that it's not. Do I think it could benefit from being marketed towards older audiences? For sure! But is it and will it ever be? No and probably not haha. Sending hate towards creators is never a good idea, but I'll still say I think it's okay to dissect and dig into the media you consume (especially if you have plans on creating yourself) because it can really help you learn and grow as well, plus sometimes when you're a creator if you get too comfortable in one thing you end up slipping and forgetting a lot of your basics so again, that reminder or constructive crit. from fans or etc really does help sort you out! That aside though you are in the right place when it comes to having to acknowledge that Warriors has a lot (perhaps a bit too much imo) going on behind the scenes and that every writer is always going to be different, and that's something that people have to keep in mind when it comes to comparing series and disappointing themselves in the process.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 15:18:57 GMT -5
BillystormStop replying now.
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Post by Redfleck on Apr 24, 2017 15:22:17 GMT -5
Lololol just ignore the troll lololol
I know they're supposed to be professional writers and that they didn't do a good job with the books, but being rude and being critical are two different things. Sure, we can say that Vicky was irresponsible with her planning or that she was just bad at keeping consistency. But I think saying back things about Vicky, as a person, is unacceptable. You don't need to like her; after all, she's bad at writing. But I hope that she didn't leave the Erins because she felt harassed by her readers or anythingโeven if she didn't mention it.
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Post by Ligerfrost on Apr 24, 2017 19:02:42 GMT -5
the way the writers handle this series is in itself disrespectful. the only thing i agree with is that no one should send their hate directly to vicky or su. that's the only thing i don't like people doing. i have the right to feel this disgusted with how PROFESSIONAL WRITERS such as the erins handle their own series. and even the publishing company milking out this series which in itself resulted in all these bad decisions and contradictions in the first place. just let the series die so no one like me can complain about their poor decision making and poor writing ever again. Except they've made it clear that the editors are just as much to blame and they are. In fact most of the errors in the books if not all of them can be blamed on the editorial team since THEY'RE the ones whose job is to fix any mistakes and make sure the books flow properly and make sense.
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Post by Owlmoon on Apr 24, 2017 19:26:36 GMT -5
This is me half the time- (I would never say something this mean to their face, only in my head)
Jeez person, it's not like YOU could do any better. They put so much effort into this. IF YOU DONT HAVE ANYTHING NICE TO SAY JUST KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT. They are professional writers. I bet YOU couldn't say the same. They make some mistakes, but WHO DOESN'T?
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on Apr 24, 2017 19:38:21 GMT -5
What she's quitting!!?
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Post by ๐ก๐๐ก๐ก๐๐ฃ๐๐๐๐ฅ on Apr 24, 2017 19:48:32 GMT -5
Apparently so. An author was literally cyberbullied out of her own fandom.
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on Apr 24, 2017 19:50:16 GMT -5
Apparently so. An author was literally cyberbullied out of her own fandom. Woooow
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 20:33:36 GMT -5
Apparently so. An author was literally cyberbullied out of her own fandom. Actually she left because she has run out of ideas for the books, saying Pinestar's Choice is the last thing she can think of to write about. That's probably the reason she didn't write Thunderstar's Echo, and if that's the case this is probably something that has been in motion for a long time but was just never announced until now. I'm not making excuses for how she was treated, but I wouldn't say she left just because people were mean to her online.
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Post by Alpha on Apr 24, 2017 20:58:59 GMT -5
Apparently so. An author was literally cyberbullied out of her own fandom. Actually she left because she has run out of ideas for the books, saying Pinestar's Choice is the last thing she can think of to write about. That's probably the reason she didn't write Thunderstar's Echo, and if that's the case this is probably something that has been in motion for a long time but was just never announced until now. I'm not making excuses for how she was treated, but I wouldn't say she left just because people were mean to her online. She didn't write Thunderstar's Echo because she didn't work on DotC Yeah, she was probably going to quit anyways.
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Post by โ
Maplefrostโ
on Apr 25, 2017 0:07:50 GMT -5
This is disappointing considering the movie was already greenlit...
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Post by Crash Keys on Apr 25, 2017 12:18:57 GMT -5
I agree. Thank you for posting this. Disagree with the ideas and writing of Su and Vicky but remember that they're people who have feelings and deserve to be treated with respect.
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Post by Tas on Apr 25, 2017 14:03:44 GMT -5
Will this affect the movie? That's my question.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 14:59:23 GMT -5
Tasprobably not since it will cover the first arc (if i remember correctly). unless u are referring to the publicity or ownership? then idk lol
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