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Post by *Faith* on Mar 22, 2017 20:28:20 GMT -5
Sorry I didn't check the post until now... Yes Frostpaw and Brindlepaw are apprentices! In the first chapter they're all kits besides Whitepaw and Tigerpaw (btw apparently his mother Leopardfoot doesn't mind Thistleclaw training him so harshly which is interesting... and I think he gets teased because of Pinestar) and in the second chapters right away it's Spottedpaw's apprentice ceremony along with her siblings. Frostpaw and Brindlepaw are seen cheering but I don't know their mentors. I don't know how long the time skip is. In fact it's not even mentioned in a scene it just goes straight to that battle. Frostpaw's mentor is Bluestar. She's listed as one of Bluestar's apprentices in Secret of the Clans and Bluestar's Prophecy also states that Bluestar was her mentor. She became a warrior before Bluestar discovered she was pregnant if I recall correctly.
Brindlepaw's mentor was Stormtail.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 22, 2017 20:31:40 GMT -5
Hey Firepup, can you clarify more about what happened between Violetpaw and Twigpaw? Also why did Juniperclaw attack Twigpaw. And is Blossomfall's mate really Thornclaw?
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Post by Firepup16 on Mar 22, 2017 20:33:13 GMT -5
Oh yeah! I remember now. (: Well hopefully the Erin's don't forget and change that.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 22, 2017 20:35:29 GMT -5
So, the book opens with a battle then? Cool! And despite this, I still don't dislike Violetpaw. In fact, I find her way more interesting that Twigpaw, though I can see where both cats are coming from in terms of their views.
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Post by *Faith* on Mar 22, 2017 20:36:25 GMT -5
Oh yeah! I remember now. (: Well hopefully the Erin's don't forget and change that. Like how Poppydawn is now the mentor of Willowpelt. BP stated that the mentors of Redpaw and Willowpaw were Sparrowpelt and Adderfang, though didn't tell us who mentored who.
At least Spottedleaf still has Thrushpelt for her mentor.
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Post by Firepup16 on Mar 22, 2017 20:38:07 GMT -5
Here is the scene between Violetpaw and Twigpaw! imgur.com/k6bw5USimgur.com/ebgPzYXimgur.com/2P4iVlrJuniperclaw attacked her since the Clans were fighting the rouges and he's a rouge. Ivypool fights him off though. Thornclaw wasn't mentioned ever.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 22, 2017 20:45:34 GMT -5
Interesting. Even now Twigpaw still loves her sister, but it seems Violetpaw...really has fallen in with the wrong crowd. At this point I don't care about Rain and Needletail anymore, they're terrible cats, so as far as I'm concerned I want them dead haha. I don't really see either of them as likable, even as villains
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Mar 22, 2017 20:47:04 GMT -5
Yep, disliking Rain, Needletail, and Violetpaw.
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Post by *Faith* on Mar 22, 2017 20:55:05 GMT -5
Well, then. I'm going to wait until I read the whole story to decide if I still like Violetpaw or not. Because, right now, I still like her. I don't even think she was going to attack until Needletail and Rain convinced her to.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 22, 2017 20:59:31 GMT -5
Honestly, I see Twigpaw as kind of an idiot here. Look, I get that she cares about her sister despite everything especially since Violetpaw is her only family left, and it's sweet... but it's still a battle.
Interesting that Violetpaw hesitated though until Rain and Needletail pressured her into it. It's obvious she still cares for Twigpaw, but she's young and being around Darktail's group clearly isn't doing her any good.
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Post by *Faith* on Mar 22, 2017 21:03:52 GMT -5
Honestly, I see Twigpaw as kind of an idiot here. Look, I get that she cares about her sister despite everything especially since Violetpaw is her only family left, and it's sweet... but it's still a battle. Interesting that Violetpaw hesitated though until Rain and Needletail pressured her into it. It's obvious she still cares for Twigpaw, but she's young and being around Darktail's group clearly isn't doing her any good. Yep. I wonder what Violetpaw was going to say to Twigpaw's "I miss you" before Rain and Needletail came along.
Also, Twigpaw asking her sister if she's okay in the middle of a battle, even thought they're on opposite sides. Yeah...I'm not surprised that Violetpaw's eyes widened at the question.
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Post by Firepup16 on Mar 22, 2017 21:06:34 GMT -5
Yeah I feel like she's a little naive and unknowing, but that was her first battle so I'll give her that.
Even if I'm not a huge fan of Violetpaw, I think her character is interesting and more in-depth than most. I hope we get to see more of her soft side though or not even that but maybe just what her emotions are in that scene.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 21:08:24 GMT -5
I think I can understand why the clans struggled so much. Sure, it was about 55 clan cats vs 25 rogues, but 4 of the clan cats, Rowanstar, Tawnypelt, Tigerheart, and Twigpaw, were barely affective because of their ties, WindClan chickened out early on because of Onestar, RiverClan probably weakened at the sight of Mistystar, and the rogues were probably using pretty deadly moves against the clans, which is as usual a dirty tactic that weakens your apponent faster- hence a couple rogues wiping out Onestar and his patrol in moments, even though they were even. By the climax of the battle it probably felt a lot more like 25 vs 20.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 22, 2017 21:10:19 GMT -5
Honestly, I see Twigpaw as kind of an idiot here. Look, I get that she cares about her sister despite everything especially since Violetpaw is her only family left, and it's sweet... but it's still a battle. Interesting that Violetpaw hesitated though until Rain and Needletail pressured her into it. It's obvious she still cares for Twigpaw, but she's young and being around Darktail's group clearly isn't doing her any good. Yep. I wonder what Violetpaw was going to say to Twigpaw's "I miss you" before Rain and Needletail came along.
Also, Twigpaw asking her sister if she's okay in the middle of a battle, even thought they're on opposite sides. Yeah...I'm not surprised that Violetpaw's eyes widened at the question.
Personally out of the two, Violetpaw was my favorite, but because she kept going back to Needletail, I just got tired of her idiocy as well. But you're right it is a battle...at the same time who knows when was the last time Violetpaw and Twigpaw saw one another? I think the only reason Needle and Rain are still manipulating Violetpaw so much is because the clans believe that she's part of the prophecy. I feel like this would be a similar scenario if Lionblaze had followed in Tiger's footsteps, or if Jayfeather agreed to train with him. I understand Violetpaw is being manipulated but I'm just very much baffled as to why she keeps going back to those jerks...when she herself ran away from them before in the first place???
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Post by *Faith* on Mar 22, 2017 21:10:22 GMT -5
I can't wait to read Violetpaw's POV. I really want to see how ShadowClan is fairing with Darktail as their leader. Speaking of which, I feel as if there were cats from Darktail's rogues missing in the allegiances.
We had Darktail, Rain, Raven and Nettle. Silt is dead. Were Roach and Flame there?
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 22, 2017 21:16:58 GMT -5
I think I can understand why the clans struggled so much. Sure, it was about 55 clan cats vs 25 rogues, but 4 of the clan cats, Rowanstar, Tawnypelt, Tigerheart, and Twigpaw, were barely affective because of their ties, WindClan chickened out early on because of Onestar, RiverClan probably weakened at the sight of Mistystar, and the rogues were probably using pretty deadly moves against the clans, which is as usual a dirty tactic that weakens your apponent faster- hence a couple rogues wiping out Onestar and his patrol in moments, even though they were even. By the climax of the battle it probably felt a lot more like 25 vs 20. There's a tactic, I think it's called the Chess tactic, something like that. But if you take out the "King/Queen" the subjects will fall. Take out the leader and the others will lose hope or falter. Darktail is actually quite smart, I'll give him that. Think about how he took over ShadowClan. He made himself known, he displayed his power, offered his cats to join as some sort of sign of alliance or association, making Rowan look bad for turning them down. Then taking over while they're still recovering from sickness after another clan has done them wrong, he also accepted Rowan's fight over his clan. Making easy work of him, probably would have killed him if not for Tawny and Tiger. Fast forward to the fight, I predicted when the first blurbs came out that Darktail would go after Misty and One. Why? They're leaders for one, Misty is the oldest cat in the forest, and One seems to be having paranoia from his age. Who knows how many lives either of them have left...they're easy targets for Darktail now that he has the majority of ShadowClan under him. Add that to the fact that his cats know deadly moves, and don't regard the Warrior code in any way, you have a really challenging villain on your hands. I applaud the Erins, he's a better improvement compared to Slash. But yeah...pretty much what I thought would happen, sorta happened, Onestar retreated, Mistystar got injured and her cats faltered, giving ShadowClan the edge. The only way they could possibly win against them at this point...might lay with SkyClan. They'd have more cats that way, and these are cats not bound to any of the ones at the lake, they wouldn't hesitate. Not to mention maybe they might have valuable information?
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Post by Firepup16 on Mar 22, 2017 21:19:28 GMT -5
Darktail, Rain, Raven, Roach, and Nettle are in the allegiance but Flame and Slit are not so they probably died.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 22, 2017 21:24:42 GMT -5
I think I can understand why the clans struggled so much. Sure, it was about 55 clan cats vs 25 rogues, but 4 of the clan cats, Rowanstar, Tawnypelt, Tigerheart, and Twigpaw, were barely affective because of their ties, WindClan chickened out early on because of Onestar, RiverClan probably weakened at the sight of Mistystar, and the rogues were probably using pretty deadly moves against the clans, which is as usual a dirty tactic that weakens your apponent faster- hence a couple rogues wiping out Onestar and his patrol in moments, even though they were even. By the climax of the battle it probably felt a lot more like 25 vs 20. There's a tactic, I think it's called the Chess tactic, something like that. But if you take out the "King/Queen" the subjects will fall. Take out the leader and the others will lose hope or falter. Darktail is actually quite smart, I'll give him that. Think about how he took over ShadowClan. He made himself known, he displayed his power, offered his cats to join as some sort of sign of alliance or association, making Rowan look bad for turning them down. Then taking over while they're still recovering from sickness after another clan has done them wrong, he also accepted Rowan's fight over his clan. Making easy work of him, probably would have killed him if not for Tawny and Tiger. Fast forward to the fight, I predicted when the first blurbs came out that Darktail would go after Misty and One. Why? They're leaders for one, Misty is the oldest cat in the forest, and One seems to be having paranoia from his age. Who knows how many lives either of them have left...they're easy targets for Darktail now that he has the majority of ShadowClan under him. Add that to the fact that his cats know deadly moves, and don't regard the Warrior code in any way, you have a really challenging villain on your hands. I applaud the Erins, he's a better improvement compared to Slash. But yeah...pretty much what I thought would happen, sorta happened, Onestar retreated, Mistystar got injured and her cats faltered, giving ShadowClan the edge. The only way they could possibly win against them at this point...might lay with SkyClan. They'd have more cats that way, and these are cats not bound to any of the ones at the lake, they wouldn't hesitate. Not to mention maybe they might have valuable information? This is exactly why I'm not surprised with the outcome, either. It's just like how LionClan defeated BloodClan—take out the leader, and the others will surrender. Possible overconfidence doesn't really help either.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 21:25:02 GMT -5
There was probably a lot of overconfidence too. All 4 leaders with nine lives + nearly warriors in all the clans + a very tactical strategy and the advantage of surprise must = automatic victory, right? The unexpected difficulty probably caught them off guard. Plus, since ShadowClan were on the defense, they would naturally fight harder and fiercer. Back in Forest of Secrets, ThunderClan were low in numbers but were still able to survive a ShadowClan and WindClan combined onslaught out of sheer fear for their lives, and they weren't nearly as strong as Darktail and his rogues.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 22, 2017 21:28:44 GMT -5
There was probably a lot of overconfidence too. All 5 leaders with nine lives + nearly warriors in all the clans + a very tactical strategy and the advantage of surprise must = automatic victory, right? The unexpected difficulty probably caught them off guard. Plus, since ShadowClan were on the defense, they would naturally fight harder and fiercer. Back in Forest of Secrets, ThunderClan were low in numbers but were still able to survive a ShadowClan and WindClan combined onslaught out of sheer fear for their lives, and they weren't nearly as strong as Darktail and his rogues. True, that was when Nightstar and Tallstar both attacked ThunderClan to kill Brokenstar. I must say, this is getting rather interesting. I dare even say, better than the DF vs SC war. There's no beating around the bush and there's so many theories. Plus Darktail is a worthy villain, smart and powerful.
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Post by Firepup16 on Mar 22, 2017 21:30:33 GMT -5
I can see your point! Plus Shadowclan was in their own territory like you said so they had an advantage there.
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Post by *Faith* on Mar 22, 2017 21:32:23 GMT -5
Darktail, Rain, Raven, Roach, and Nettle are in the allegiance but Flame and Slit are not so they probably died. I think Kate confirmed that Silt died from Yellowcough. So yeah, she's dead. Not sure about Flame though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 21:36:49 GMT -5
And the interesting thing is that not only are Darktail's "kin" going to get a major boost of confidence and be more formidable in future battles, but the less loyal cats in the other clans might be more inclined to desert. I can totally see a couple WindClan cats saying, "Our leader is nuts, we just lost a major battle... we're doomed anyway, so if we can't beat them, might as well join them".
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 22, 2017 21:39:49 GMT -5
And the interesting thing is that not only are Darktail's "kin" going to get a major boost of confidence and be more formidable in future battles, but the less loyal cats in the other clans might be more inclined to desert. I can totally see a couple WindClan cats saying, "Our leader is nuts, we just lost a major battle... we're doomed anyway, so if we can't beat them, might as well join them". I can see that tbh...they've never really had a strong loyalty to Onestar since the rebellion tbh.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 22, 2017 21:53:51 GMT -5
And the interesting thing is that not only are Darktail's "kin" going to get a major boost of confidence and be more formidable in future battles, but the less loyal cats in the other clans might be more inclined to desert. I can totally see a couple WindClan cats saying, "Our leader is nuts, we just lost a major battle... we're doomed anyway, so if we can't beat them, might as well join them". I can see that tbh...they've never really had a strong loyalty to Onestar since the rebellion tbh. That certainly wouldn't surprise me at all.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 22, 2017 21:55:07 GMT -5
I can see that tbh...they've never really had a strong loyalty to Onestar since the rebellion tbh. That certainly wouldn't surprise me at all. Onestar's retreat will definitely make him look cowardly especially when he had the best opportunity to attack and possibly kill Darktail but turn and fled instead.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 21:59:39 GMT -5
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 22, 2017 22:00:52 GMT -5
Kate's Blog: Q: Who's on the cover? Kate: I don't know, I'm afraid Kate is so helpful.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 22, 2017 22:10:46 GMT -5
That certainly wouldn't surprise me at all. Onestar's retreat will definitely make him look cowardly especially when he had the best opportunity to attack and possibly kill Darktail but turn and fled instead. Exactly. I can imagine some cats who sided with Mudclaw to join (Nightcloud's the only one left alive who we know supported Mudclaw, unless her loyalty to WindClan and love for Breezepelt is stronger than to leave for Darktail's rogues).
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