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Post by Tas on Mar 6, 2017 20:44:51 GMT -5
Sunningrocks was a warm cluster of rocks in the old forest (TPB, TNP) and it was constantly being fought over on the ThunderClan-RiverClan border. But who should claim it REALLY?
Well, in those two sub-series it really seemed like Thunderclan. It was on their side of the river, after all - RiverClan had to swim to it. But if you look at old maps and in DotC, it wasn't always on ThunderClan's side.
In DotC, and mentioned as well by the Ancients, Sunningrocks used to be an island in the middle of the river. But the river must have flooded and widened, making the rocks on ThunderClan's side.
I'm sure this post exists already, but can we get a discussion going? Who should have claimed Sunningrocks?
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Post by whiteflight on Mar 7, 2017 9:59:04 GMT -5
I say Thunderclan, it's one their side but I mostly believe it's theirs because of what Hailstar said in Crookedstar's promise. He said that Thunderclan needed the rocks to hunt and all Riverclan did when they used it was to relax. So that's why I think Thunderclan should have the rocks
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Post by Theblazepanzer24 on Mar 8, 2017 8:39:32 GMT -5
Twolegs own the Sunningrocks now, assuming they where not destroyed. But I've always supported Thunderclan since it's on their side of the river.
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Post by уυησ gαѕαι on Mar 8, 2017 10:53:34 GMT -5
ThunderClan. I'm getting most of these things from the other post but, it's on their side of the river. It's doesn't matter it used to be in the middle. If I was a ThunderClan cat, I wouldn't want enemies that close to my territory! RiverClan still need to swim over, too. And they don't even use it for hunting, so wouldn't it be better to find another rock in the territory instead of swimming enough to just relax, instead of losing cats because of it? ThunderClan uses it for hunting too! Think about how much extra prey would be on the pile. It would of been useful when the Twolegs were destroying the forest, too! There would be prey hiding in the rocks. Maybe Dappletail wouldn't have died if there was another fat piece of prey on the pile. I'm pretty sure RiverClan are only keeping it so they don't seem weak.
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Post by DarkRedAsh on Mar 8, 2017 16:19:17 GMT -5
Now? The rocks are dead. But I think Thunderclan, they need it to hunt, survive, and it's on their side. Riverclan is just lazy on the rocks.
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Post by Tas on Mar 8, 2017 17:11:41 GMT -5
Agreed with all of y'all ^^^
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Post by mimikyutie on Mar 9, 2017 8:21:59 GMT -5
If I'm remembering correctly, there wasn't even prey around there, it was just somewhere nice to lay around in the sun. I always wondered why they couldn't share.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 10, 2017 11:03:06 GMT -5
RiverClan, they needed it for food when the stream froze over, ThunderClan only uses it to sunbathe.
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Post by Tas on Mar 10, 2017 14:42:09 GMT -5
I thought it was the opposite? Obviously it was a warm spot for both clans, but ThunderClan needed it to hunt after Snakerocks became unusable.
RiverClan had to swim across the river to access it, needed it only to sunbathe. When the river froze over they would hunt in the territory around the island. Rarely do we hear of RiverClan actually hunting there.
Or am I mistaken?
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Post by rainstorm5 on Apr 2, 2017 8:28:18 GMT -5
ThunderClan
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Post by Card against Humanity on Apr 2, 2017 9:02:22 GMT -5
So I will eternally be a Riverclan stan, but if anyone owned it I felt like it was Thunderclan. It was on their side of the river, after all.
Correct me if im wrong, but didn't both clans basically just use it for sunbathing? Why couldn't they just share?
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Post by Tas on Apr 2, 2017 11:45:25 GMT -5
ThunderClan used it as hunting, too.
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Post by Tas on Apr 3, 2017 6:24:15 GMT -5
How would Leopardstar ever agree on that? The leaders of that time period were much too proud.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 20:00:11 GMT -5
I don't know really, it depends on your perspective. If you consider any territory that was initially claimed by the clans when they were first founded their right to have it, then yes, RiverClan will always own Sunningrocks since they've owned in since Riverstar. BUT if you consider any territory that is a certain clan's possession as long as they claim it and successfully defend it that clan's territory, then it belongs to ThunderClan.
From my perspective, whoever has taken over new territory and successfully defended it from other clans owns that land. As long as ThunderClan was able to defend Sunningrocks from RiverClan, it was there's. Whenever they lost a battle and RiverClan took Sunningrocks back, it wasn't theirs anymore, simple as that. When SkyClan was driven out and people turned most of SkyClan's territory into treecut place, which ThunderClan later took over, just because it was originally SkyClan's territory doesn't mean it's still their land. It was now ThunderClan's because they claimed it and defended it from then on. When Brokenstar and ShadowClan drove out WindClan and took over their land, it wasn't WindClan's anymore because ShadowClan now claimed it and defended it- regardless of the land's history. When Firestar decided to take over the campground originally owned by ShadowClan and successfully defended it, it was now ThunderClan's land, regardless of the injustice ShadowClan felt afterwards.
That's why I think Sunningrocks belonged to Thunderclan- or at least as long as they were able to defend it. History is nice and means a lot to certain clans, but stories and claims mean nothing if they don't actively succeed in enforcing that claim.
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Post by Tas on Apr 6, 2017 8:01:13 GMT -5
YES.
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Post by Owlmoon on Apr 8, 2017 8:56:50 GMT -5
It was ThunderClan's. RiverClan failed to protect it.
Besides, ThunderClan needs it while RiverClan uses it for SUNNING. ThunderClan hunts, RiverClan sunbathes. Tell me, which has more use?
ThunderClan deserves Sunningrocks.
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Post by Tas on Apr 8, 2017 9:46:16 GMT -5
Agreed.
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Post by LynxSoul on Apr 9, 2017 22:50:01 GMT -5
I also agree that Thunderclan owns Sunningrocks.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 8:35:32 GMT -5
❈ -- When in the books did it say that any cat hunted? I only remember TC elder's sunbathing and RiverClan doing the same... But then again, those who are strong enough to take it and defend should keep it. Just like it is in the real world. -- tbh, it should've been no one's land though. It's not really possible to 'share' land unless if it was the Moonstone/pool or a Gathering area. Clan's don't really mix, and they shouldn't be forming bonds between each other.
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Post by Tas on Apr 10, 2017 13:41:53 GMT -5
❈ -- When in the books did it say that any cat hunted? I only remember TC elder's sunbathing and RiverClan doing the same
In multiple occasions in TPB and TNP, they state that ThunderClan uses it for hunting as well, while RiverClan only uses it for relaxing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 14:26:38 GMT -5
❈ -- When in the books did it say that any cat hunted? I only remember TC elder's sunbathing and RiverClan doing the same
In multiple occasions in TPB and TNP, they state that ThunderClan uses it for hunting as well, while RiverClan only uses it for relaxing. ❈ -- They stated it as in ThunderClan's POV saying that they hunted? Or actually described them hunting on Sunningrocks?
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Post by Tas on Apr 11, 2017 5:41:05 GMT -5
Both, if I'm not mistaken.
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Post by ♥Snowfire♥ on Apr 11, 2017 16:27:02 GMT -5
I also remember multiple books stating that ThunderClan used Sunningrocks for actual hunting purposes, as opposed to RiverClan's needs for pleasure. After the river changed, it was on ThunderClan's side, and if Sunningrocks belonged to RiverClan it would be potentially dangerous to let them so close to ThunderClan's camp. Besides that point, I believe ThunderClan had the area for longer than RiverClan.
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Post by tord on Apr 15, 2017 9:34:25 GMT -5
rivervlan. they needed it for food PLUS it was originally theirs.
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Post by Tas on Apr 15, 2017 19:49:00 GMT -5
I think it's the opposite. RiverClan only used it for sunbathing and they had to swim across to get to it. It was on ThunderClan's territory, plus they used it for hunting.
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Post by Snowfire on Apr 15, 2017 20:19:36 GMT -5
Difficult choice honestly.. RiverClan originally had it, so it should be theirs--I don't see why a change in the river's course should change that.
At the same time however, they did fail over and over to keep it in their grasp. And I have heard that RiverClan only sunbathed while ThunderClan actually needed it to hunt for survival. However, who deserves it should also be able to defend it--as RiverClan failed.
So, it really depends on how you look at it. Sunningrocks could belong to either Clan. But, I guess I'm leaning more towards ThunderClan due to survival purposes, plus RiverClan don't deserve the rocks if they cannot defend it.
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Post by Cloudpelt on Apr 18, 2017 8:49:02 GMT -5
This probably would start conflict and probably more battle between the two Clans. However, i think after every moon they should swap sunningrocks, so on the first moon, ThunderClan has Sunningrocks, then after the next gathering RiverClan has Sunningrocks.
I know that is probably wouldnt work but still, its a solution
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Post by -Aspenpaw- on May 28, 2017 15:24:17 GMT -5
I think they should make them neutral ground. Any cat from TC or RC can go there at any time.
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