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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 13:04:39 GMT -5
You know how Crowfeather is always bitter and a total douchebag to everyone? Honestly, I think it's because he never had proper time to develop his own personality.
And someone (I think it was Maplefrost) pointed out that Crowfeather always wanted to be leader, and when he lost that chance after running away with Leafpool he became extremely bitter and angry about it. I think this makes sense too.
Crowfeather was still an apprentice, hoping to become leader one day when he left on the journey to find Midnight. But then he developed a crush on Feathertail and was devastated when she died. He even still grieves on her grave today even though she died years ago whenever he visits the Tribe. Feathertail's death has affected him so much that he even became suicidal, when he said that at least when he dies, Feathertail will be waiting for him.
So he tries to hide his feelings from Leafpaw. He knows he shouldn't fall for her, especially so soon after Feathertail died, but doesn't succeed and ends up saving her life. And he was actually really happy for once. In Leafpool's Wish we saw him playing with her like they were kits playing moss-ball. He was really gentle with Leafpool, and even accepting when he knew that her heart belonged to her Clan.
But I think he became bitter after she left him. Now he lost his reputation, ruined Nightcloud's life when he took her as a mate as well as Breezepelt's and everyone in all the Clans know that the family doesn't even truly love each other. Crowfeather became worse in OotS. He was really cold and selfish, and even said to Leafpool that even though she still loves him, it wasn't enough. But this also shows how much pain she had caused him for leaving him. Maybe Crowfeather had high hopes to finally be happy, because they actually had a chance to run away together. They didn't have to go back to the Clans. But Leafpool wanted to be there for ThunderClan.
We've seen how slow Crowfeather develops. He's still shown to care about his friends even after losing Feathertail, like when he supported Brambleclaw after Mudclaw doubted him. He named himself after Feathertail, which I think was really sweet. And like I said, he was very soft and kind around Leafpool, even kit-like because he was so happy with her.
I think Leafpool leaving him and ruining his reputation is what made him so bitter, and what Maple had said does make sense. He's lost so much and gone through a lot of grief, he still had a chance to be leader because no one really know about his crush for Feathertail, but now he has nothing since his reputation was ruined.
This doesn't excuse Crowfeather at all, but it does make sense as to why he's bitter. Not to mention he went through all of this when he was still young.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 25, 2017 14:53:50 GMT -5
Not to mention, he was actually forced to mature quite quickly, similar to Dovewing, because he was put in a situation where the clans were very reliant on him. Him being chosen to go on the journey was questioned by other StarClan cats because he was still an apprentice, which is understandable. But it's as if he was being set up to be leader one day, and he also showed that desire even when he was with Leafpool after Feathertail. He was willing to throw all that away for Leafpool, but Leafpool wasn't willing vice versa. Leafpool was able to return to her status as Medicine cat because of Cinderpelt's death, while Crowfeather had to struggle with his own, taking a mate to make himself seem loyal again to his clan. But the damage is already done. Where as Leafpool had an easier chance of getting her clan's trust back, because they needed her more than ever after the badger attack, Crowfeather stuck out like a sore thorn, it's hard not to be suspicious. So I can see how he'd come up with the idea of making a WindClan family of his own to divert attention. But that wasn't enough, he pretty much lost his right and position because he threw aside his status for a relationship that didn't even work out. And then he lost all his chances after the secret got out. I wouldn't be surprised if he was indeed bitter, not just about Leafpool leaving him, and Feathertail dying, but because there would be no chance for him to become leader now. Especially with a younger and healthier cat like Harespring taking the reins. And because he used Nightcloud and Breezepelt, they're constant reminders of how he screwed up in his attempt to fix the whole situation. I mean, I highly doubt Breezepelt will even let Crowfeather be near his grandkits. At this point Crowfeather has nothing left for his character, and he was a missed opportunity of a possible leader.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 15:38:35 GMT -5
Not to mention, he was actually forced to mature quite quickly, similar to Dovewing, because he was put in a situation where the clans were very reliant on him. Him being chosen to go on the journey was questioned by other StarClan cats because he was still an apprentice, which is understandable. But it's as if he was being set up to be leader one day, and he also showed that desire even when he was with Leafpool after Feathertail. He was willing to throw all that away for Leafpool, but Leafpool wasn't willing vice versa. Leafpool was able to return to her status as Medicine cat because of Cinderpelt's death, while Crowfeather had to struggle with his own, taking a mate to make himself seem loyal again to his clan. But the damage is already done. Where as Leafpool had an easier chance of getting her clan's trust back, because they needed her more than ever after the badger attack, Crowfeather stuck out like a sore thorn, it's hard not to be suspicious. So I can see how he'd come up with the idea of making a WindClan family of his own to divert attention. But that wasn't enough, he pretty much lost his right and position because he threw aside his status for a relationship that didn't even work out. And then he lost all his chances after the secret got out. I wouldn't be surprised if he was indeed bitter, not just about Leafpool leaving him, and Feathertail dying, but because there would be no chance for him to become leader now. Especially with a younger and healthier cat like Harespring taking the reins. And because he used Nightcloud and Breezepelt, they're constant reminders of how he screwed up in his attempt to fix the whole situation. I mean, I highly doubt Breezepelt will even let Crowfeather be near his grandkits. At this point Crowfeather has nothing left for his character, and he was a missed opportunity of a possible leader. Honestly I think he was just ruined because of bad writing. The Three were always going to be born - they didn't need Leaf X Crow to mate together for a night. Crowfeather was a strong warrior and we knew he was loyal to his Clan, at least when he was an apprentice. But even as a warrior, after losing Feathertail, he's been shown to have a softer side for his friends and yet he knew what was best for WindClan and that was why he supported Onewhisker to become deputy. He was once what a leader needed - a kind heart, but still willing to put himself behind for his Clan and care for his Clanmates. This was proven when he tried to hide his feelings for Leafpaw. Yes, he felt guilty because he knew he shouldn't have fallen for her so soon after Feathertail, but I also think it's because he still wanted to try to become leader. But now he's just a bitter douchebag and I can't help but wonder if he just takes out his emotions on his family because he knew he screwed up and no one likes him anymore. It doesn't make it right, but I think this helps others understand him more. He would have been a fine leader. It's a shame that a forbidden love couples that wasn't even necessary ruined his chance. I also feel like this was also partly Leafpool's fault as well. She dropped all of his hopes to find happiness together and ruined it. It was for the best, but after getting his hopes up like that is messed up, tbh. If she knew all along that her heart belonged in her Clan, then she shouldn't have run off with Crowfeather. One selfish mistake really can cause pain for everyone. Leafpool paid a high price when she chose to be with him. Squirrelflight lost everyone, Crowfeather became a bitter douchebag and ruined his son's and mate's lives, Bramblestar was hurt, she ruined ThunderClan's reputation, and Lionblaze and Jayfeather were both judged and seen as disloyal, Hollyleaf killed Ashfur and ran away. I mostly blame Leafpool for all of this, honestly. It's kind of sad how one choice can really screw up so many lives.. makes her look so selfish.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 25, 2017 16:19:52 GMT -5
-You make some really good points but I don't think we can blame Leafpool too much either. If the badgers hadn't attacked and they weren't warned by Midnight, they might've not gone back. And the fact that Cinderpelt was killed made it impossible for her to go with him anyway. I also think that she truly thought her heart was with Crowfeather--there was that whole Spottedleaf conversation implying it (now that I think about it what if StarClan manipulated them into running away for the three could be born?) and all. So, yeah I agree with most of it but I think some of the stuff accused of Leafpool is really out of her paws. I agree with this as well. As much as I don't like Leafpool either, I can't put more of the blame on her because of this. She would have been condemning her clan to death if she had left even after knowing about the badger attack. There's also other events that followed as well the like time skip deaths, and Firestar almost dying in a fox trap thanks to Ashfur and Onestar. ThunderClan would be incredibly weak without a medicine cat, because Cinderpelt would be dead, and Leafpool would be gone. Also keep in mind that Spottedleaf berated her for running away, she probably assumed her heart belonged with her clan, but she chose Crowfeather for a moment. Also the three didn't have to be born from Crow and Leaf, it just had to be a kin of Firestar that somewhat fit the bill. It could have been Squirrelflight, and even Whitewing, or Cloudtail. I personally think StarClan set up that whole Fire and Tiger prophecy to kill two birds with one stone. To get Brambleclaw as deputy and one day leader, and for Squirrelflight to be his mate to have the three. But things didn't work out that way since CrowLeaf came first.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 16:34:23 GMT -5
-You make some really good points but I don't think we can blame Leafpool too much either. If the badgers hadn't attacked and they weren't warned by Midnight, they might've not gone back. And the fact that Cinderpelt was killed made it impossible for her to go with him anyway. I also think that she truly thought her heart was with Crowfeather--there was that whole Spottedleaf conversation implying it (now that I think about it what if StarClan manipulated them into running away for the three could be born?) and all. So, yeah I agree with most of it but I think some of the stuff accused of Leafpool is really out of her paws. I agree with this as well. As much as I don't like Leafpool either, I can't put more of the blame on her because of this. She would have been condemning her clan to death if she had left even after knowing about the badger attack. There's also other events that followed as well the like time skip deaths, and Firestar almost dying in a fox trap thanks to Ashfur and Onestar. ThunderClan would be incredibly weak without a medicine cat, because Cinderpelt would be dead, and Leafpool would be gone. Also keep in mind that Spottedleaf berated her for running away, she probably assumed her heart belonged with her clan, but she chose Crowfeather for a moment. Also the three didn't have to be born from Crow and Leaf, it just had to be a kin of Firestar that somewhat fit the bill. It could have been Squirrelflight, and even Whitewing, or Cloudtail. I personally think StarClan set up that whole Fire and Tiger prophecy to kill two birds with one stone. To get Brambleclaw as deputy and one day leader, and for Squirrelflight to be his mate to have the three. But things didn't work out that way since CrowLeaf came first. I think I already stated that the Three didn't need to be born from Leaf X Crow. But it had to be kin of Firestar's kin - Squirrelflight wouldn't have worked out, but if Alderheart was born from her earlier then he could have been a part of the prophecy, and Cloudtail might have worked since he was kin of his sister, Princess. However, Leafpool is just his kin, not kin of his kin, so someone else would have to take her spot. I am not fond of how Spottedleaf did that either, though. But I honestly have mixed feelings about her character.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 25, 2017 16:38:27 GMT -5
Lol I said Onestar instead of Ashfur, but yeah.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 17:09:18 GMT -5
Lol I said Onestar instead of Ashfur, but yeah. Gross, Trashfur isn't allowed on this topic. Actually, he isn't allowed anywhere in the books. Not even in the Dark Forest, that's why he's in StarClan. The Dark Forest didn't want him either.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 17:31:06 GMT -5
That's why, despite everything, I still sort of...like Crowfeather? Mostly because he is a sad guy who lost a lot, and I LOVE angst.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 26, 2017 0:06:50 GMT -5
Lol I said Onestar instead of Ashfur, but yeah. Gross, Trashfur isn't allowed on this topic. Actually, he isn't allowed anywhere in the books. Not even in the Dark Forest, that's why he's in StarClan. The Dark Forest didn't want him either. Lets be real if he went into the Dark Forest, he'd become Mapleshade's scratching post.
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