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Post by Rainshadow on Jan 24, 2017 15:28:03 GMT -5
Honestly, I feel a bit sorry for WindClan for having loyalty as their second trait. Loyalty is key (well, theoretically) for any warrior in any Clan. It makes it sound a bit as if they couldn't find anything else to say about WindClan other than they're swift.
Anyway, that aside, what do think about WindClan in general?
Personally, I really enjoyed WindClan in TR. The whole divisive society with the Moorrunners and the Tunnellers gave the Clan a unique flavour. It caused its inner dynamics to differ greatly from that of the other Clans and gave opportunity for interesting inner Clan conflict. I also liked the whole deal with the visitors. Overall, I thought the Old Forest WindClan was the most interesting in term of organization and such. The other Clans have interesting aspects as well but WindClan's stand out more. The Lake WindClan doesn't really seem all that special in comparison and that's a pity really.
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Post by Pyropelt on Jan 26, 2017 14:10:14 GMT -5
I like WindClan, especially during Tallstar's reign.
I think Onestar shouldn't have been leader, instead it should have been Mudclaw. I think he would have made WindClan be strong and civilized.
I like both of their territories. If they were to ever bring back tunneling, that would be ok. It'd be interesting to see how they'd handle it as opposed to back then. There could be some useful advantages. If it were to happen, hopefully the Erins would write/show it well enough.
Deadfoot and Heatherstar are cool.
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Post by Owlmoon on Jan 27, 2017 13:22:33 GMT -5
I like WindClan during Tallstar's reign. Not so much during Onestar's, but he is a better leader than Mudclaw.
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Post by Rainshadow on Jan 28, 2017 10:45:06 GMT -5
Ah yes, Deadfoot, he was an interesting (I use that word too often...) character and I kinda wish we'd seen some scenes of him being trained under Tallstar after the latter's return.
I don't know if Mudclaw would've been a better leader but it would have been different. Onestar's leadership was controlled heavily by his need to prove he was worthy to be leader and didn't need ThunderClan's assistence. Mudclaw would not have suffered from this. Still, I agree that Mudclaw should have been leader. He was deputy, after all, and so he should be the next leader. Tallstar shouldn't have changed that but he was clearly lead by his emotions in those final moments.
That being said, I do like Onestar. He's quite complex, especially for a not-POV character, and I like that.
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Post by Pyropelt on Jan 30, 2017 18:34:25 GMT -5
Yeah it would have been interesting! If they showed more of how he was a deputy might have been cool too. I remember Deadfoot and how he helped instrategize in a tunnel (I think?).
And seeing more Deadfoot fights would've been neat too.
I don't like Onestar all that much. More neutral on him. I liked him when he was Onewhisker more. Though I'm hoping if they showed him in StarClan maybe he could have a change in personality. Ooh or even have a talk with Tallstar about why he ruled the way that he did.
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Post by Pyropelt on Jan 31, 2017 14:37:02 GMT -5
I also like that WindClan came back to the forest after they were driven out.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 13:31:39 GMT -5
Windclan just makes me think of repuplicans.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 13:34:54 GMT -5
I mean Republicans and Windclan are so similar. Most of WC hates the other clans and thinks their better. Republicans are mainly hating most races besides white.
WC lives on moors. Most states that support republicans are in the south.
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Post by Rainshadow on Feb 12, 2017 5:27:21 GMT -5
I think that 'resilient' might be a better word for them. Their Clan has been through so much that it's definitely earned that title. Resilient is a good trait for them. I agree they certainly earned it!
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Feb 12, 2017 11:56:19 GMT -5
I'm not particularly fond of Windclan under Onestar, but I understand why he acts the way he does. Tallstar relied a lot on Thunderclan, and Onestar trying to make it so his Clan can rely on themselves. The problem is he's failing miserably, and doesn't seem to acknowledge that he is failing…
Part of me wonders what would have happened if Tallstar had confided in someone about his relationship with Jake. They would have understood why he was so willing to help Thunderclan, and at the same time, Thunderclan would've gotten the message that any new leader did not have that relationship, and therefore would not be as close. I could also see someone like Onestar explaining to Tallstar that Firestar is not Jake, so he needs to let his past with Jake go in order for his Clan to be strong in the future.
As for Mudclaw, maybe he should have been leader, but there's no telling what he might've done. Mudclaw is repeatedly shown to be ambitious and aggressive, and it's also shown many times throughout the series that those two traits together cause disaster for many. So Tallstar’s vision could have very well been correct, and Thunderclan could have still been cut off from Windclan, but for very different reasons…
It's interesting how their trait is loyalty, but now the definition is so twisted. It's gotten to the point where are not loyal to their leader, and even his own deputy is betraying him. And even in his madness, Onestar probably knows that if he does anything else to displease his Clan, they could rebel against him (especially with Darktail having completed one successful rebellion already). Not to mention that now with the news of the yellowcough problem out in the open, all of his clan is clearly displeased with him… I have a feeling Onestar’s reign as leader is going to come to a bloody end, one way or another…
As for Tallstar not being loyal as a warrior, he asked permission from his leader to leave the Clan for while, and she let him go. Therefore, he didn't actually run away, and was still loyal.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2017 12:03:06 GMT -5
Oh good , Windclans here * rolls eyes *
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2017 20:16:48 GMT -5
I mean Republicans and Windclan are so similar. Most of WC hates the other clans and thinks their better. Republicans are mainly hating most races besides white. WC lives on moors. Most states that support republicans are in the south. is this a joke?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2017 20:30:04 GMT -5
I mean Republicans and Windclan are so similar. Most of WC hates the other clans and thinks their better. Republicans are mainly hating most races besides white. WC lives on moors. Most states that support republicans are in the south. is this a joke? Yes mainly.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2017 22:57:16 GMT -5
Well, it's actually not that "unfortunate" that loyalty is their second trait, as WindClan takes it very, very seriously, probably more serious than any other clan. While most clans usually hold a grudge for a year or so when someone breaks the code- unless they do something very bad like Brokenstar or Tigerstar- WindClan almost never lets go of the grudge unless the code-breaker does something pretty big to make up for it. Onestar had to end his friendship with Firestar completely and even started a 4-clan war over it, Crowfeather had to take a WindClan mate immediately or else his clanmates would never treat him well again, and I assume that Ryewhisker took custody of his kits not only to stay as deputy but to keep the respect of his clan.
Compare that to ThunderClan with Graystripe who's clan forgave him in little more than a year, RiverClan with getting over Willowbreeze and Graypool being half-clan even quicker, and ShadowClan who not only has the largest amount of outsiders in it's history but also quickly got over it, maybe even faster than ThunderClan themselves.
WindClan's loyalty is arguably their #1 trait, not just because it's important to them, but because of how far they'll go to make sure you're loyal.
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I'm not sure how I feel about WindClan. I don't like them cause they're extremely xenophobic, freak out over things very easily, and all they do is starve every leaf-bare cause they've created so many enemies that no one will help them and they won't receive help, but at the same time, they are extremely organized and obedient, probably causing the most terror in raids against other clans despite their small sizes, and seem to care a lot about each other as long as they don't do anything sketchy. They seem a very well put-together clan- and that's probably a result of generations and generations of training strict, loyal warriors who only have friends at home- but the other characteristics they have generally bother me.
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Post by Rainshadow on Feb 13, 2017 13:19:25 GMT -5
Part of me wonders what would have happened if Tallstar had confided in someone about his relationship with Jake. They would have understood why he was so willing to help Thunderclan, and at the same time, Thunderclan would've gotten the message that any new leader did not have that relationship, and therefore would not be as close. I could also see someone like Onestar explaining to Tallstar that Firestar is not Jake, so he needs to let his past with Jake go in order for his Clan to be strong in the future. Hmmm, I don't know. For a leader to confide into a member of his Clan that he was biased towards the leader of a rival Clan because of a relationship with said cat's father would be a gamble. What if word got out? How would his Clan feel about this? A Clanleader's own Clan should always come first, after all. If the Clan found out they might lose faith in Tallstar. I can understand that he would have liked to tell someone and if he did I think that cat would be Barkface, and not Onewhisker. Barkface might be able to convince him to let go of Jake but what about the prophecy? StarClan told Tallstar kin of Jake would appear and need him help. And if Barkface learnt about that he would be less inclined to stop Tallstar's support of Firestar. Perhaps, but still, if Tallstar had this worry he should have at least made the change earlier on. He mentions that WindClan needed Mudclaw on the journey and therefore he waited but then he's also implying that Onewhisker wouldn't have done as good a job and what does that say about his leadership qualities? (I haven't read Thunder and Shadow yet so I can't comment on Onestar's actions in that book) True, plus Heatherstar knew he had to leave already as well since she's had that prophecy. Not to mention he came back even more loyal than before.
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Feb 13, 2017 14:08:31 GMT -5
True that a leader’s Clan should come first, but the fact of the matter is that Tallstar wasn't putting his own clan first when he relied so heavily on Firestar because he was the son of Jake… I feel like he needed someone to snap him out of it, but there was no one, so things with Windclan went downhill without anyone knowing what happened…
As for Onestar, I recommend you should read Thunder and Shadow. Let's just say the things he does in that book is the main reason why people really hate him now, and also why I think his reign will come to bloody end from within his own Clan…
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Post by Rainshadow on Feb 27, 2017 12:43:59 GMT -5
True that a leader’s Clan should come first, but the fact of the matter is that Tallstar wasn't putting his own clan first when he relied so heavily on Firestar because he was the son of Jake… I feel like he needed someone to snap him out of it, but there was no one, so things with Windclan went downhill without anyone knowing what happened… As for Onestar, I recommend you should read Thunder and Shadow. Let's just say the things he does in that book is the main reason why people really hate him now, and also why I think his reign will come to bloody end from within his own Clan… That's true. Tallstar appointing Onewhisker last minute is ultimate proof that he was not always putting his Clan first. At least not when it came to Firestar. But still, letting go of sentiments is one thing, the fact that StarClan told him to look after Firestar is another all-together. Why ever did they do that...? Sure, Firestar was important to the Clans but to tell a leader of a rival Clan to look after him, isn't that a bit much? I don't think Tallstar would have treated Firestar unfairly even if he hadn't known him to be Jake's son. I doubt his kittypet history would have caused Tallstar to look down on him or something either since Jake taught him how formidable kittypets could be. Idk just seems like a(nother) weird decision on StarClan's part. I wonder if Tallstar would have realized Firestar was related to Jake if he hadn't had the prophecy? I think he might've had his suspicions. Yeah, I was getting the impression Thunder and Shadow was the reason people hate Onestar so much. I really want to read the book but alas I have to wait a bit longer. I have it ordered but it's apparently currently in reprint sooo--- more waiting. Oh well, at least I have Hawkwing's Journey now.^^
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Post by уυησ gαѕαι on Feb 28, 2017 12:29:32 GMT -5
I think WindClan is the Clan people hates most - for Onestar. It's a good Clan during his leadership. Maybe they did attack a Clan in the night, but they didn't know the other Clans would join them. (I don't think so?) They had to, to show Firestar they don't need another Clan's help and that was in the past. Onestar was the leader WindClan needed.
But enough about Onestar. I haven't read TR yet but from what I've heard (pretty much all of it), it sounds good, especially with the moor runners and tunnelers. Heatherstar was right to make tunneling banned. As a Clan, it just seems like.. a normal Clan, you know? Maybe quite... rude to the other Clans, but that might change with Onestar's death which better happen before the end of avos otherwise i'll cry
It's good in the story too, having to make TC worry about more than just SC. Most of the excitement about it, though, came from Onestar's leadership.
im done
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 10, 2017 11:07:14 GMT -5
Heatherstar was a foolish leader imo. Windstar, never fond of her. Tallstar was good until the deputy drama. And Onestar was down right terrible. I hope Harestar is better than all of them.
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Post by Rainshadow on Mar 10, 2017 11:58:19 GMT -5
I am curious what direction Harestar will take WindClan in. It will doubtlessly be a big change from Onestar.
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Post by Quickkit on Mar 19, 2017 3:04:45 GMT -5
i agree
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Post by Alpha on Mar 19, 2017 7:57:14 GMT -5
I mean Republicans and Windclan are so similar. Most of WC hates the other clans and thinks their better. Republicans are mainly hating most races besides white. WC lives on moors. Most states that support republicans are in the south. We have bogs and forests; there are no grasslands here. Also, Montgomery(capital city of the southern state of Alabama) voted for Hillary. The great plains of the central US are what you're referring to. Republican, flat, tornadoes, farms. Only a really small part of a state in there, Kansas, voted for Hillary during the last election. And no county in Oklahoma(right below Kansas) voted democratic. Even if it is a joke, I see the comparisons.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 11:21:49 GMT -5
I mean Republicans and Windclan are so similar. Most of WC hates the other clans and thinks their better. Republicans are mainly hating most races besides white. WC lives on moors. Most states that support republicans are in the south. We have bogs and forests; there are no grasslands here. Also, Montgomery(capital city of the southern state of Alabama) voted for Hillary. The great plains of the central US are what you're referring to. Republican, flat, tornadoes, farms. Only a really small part of a state in there, Kansas, voted for Hillary during the last election. And no county in Oklahoma(right below Kansas) voted democratic. Even if it is a joke, I see the comparisons. Do you support it or are you argueing against the point ?
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Post by Alpha on Mar 19, 2017 11:23:44 GMT -5
We have bogs and forests; there are no grasslands here. Also, Montgomery(capital city of the southern state of Alabama) voted for Hillary. The great plains of the central US are what you're referring to. Republican, flat, tornadoes, farms. Only a really small part of a state in there, Kansas, voted for Hillary during the last election. And no county in Oklahoma(right below Kansas) voted democratic. Even if it is a joke, I see the comparisons. Do you support it or are you argueing against the point ? Supporting.
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Post by Tas on Mar 19, 2017 12:59:19 GMT -5
We all wonder what Ashfoot would have been like as leader, yes? I do. She would have been a great leader, I think, but really old.
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Post by Silv on Mar 19, 2017 20:09:47 GMT -5
I don't think Hare{spring? Lol, I can't remember xD } will become leader- the deputies tend to change at least once before a leader dies. Soo, I'm not thinking of where Hare---- will take the clan, but rather who will be deputy next {If it is Breezepelt I will cry}. Honestly, if I was given the choice of which clan to join, I would join Windclan {Or riverclan- I can't decide}. I even have a hoodie that says "I run with Windclan, strength and speed". I don't quite agree with the strncgth part, but oh well...
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Post by mymerlincat on Mar 19, 2017 20:21:08 GMT -5
I don't like Windstar, Onestar needs to stop, and Heatherstar is my least favorite character in the series, but WindClan is pretty cool I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 23:55:31 GMT -5
Like with most things in this series, I liked them in the first arc and then hated them when the Erins ruined it.
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