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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2017 17:31:16 GMT -5
This actually happened? What a shame, I don't remember this at all. Really makes me dislike ShadowClan.
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Post by Stoneflower on Jan 16, 2017 17:59:39 GMT -5
I know. I like to think that the apprentice rebellion was due to a cultural shift in shadowclan. We haven't had a story from their point of view since yellowfang's secret many generations ago, so there's really no telling just how much shadowclan has changed without us noticing, making their current state even more shocking. But even with being said, there is not excuse for their treatment towards such a great medicine cat. Surely the senior warriors or even the elders would have known to change his bedding and get him a drink, like damn.
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Post by Pyropelt on Jan 16, 2017 18:02:12 GMT -5
It made me sad for Littlecloud. After all he's done for ShadowClan, the least he deserves is to be at peace with everything he needs before he dies, but he didn't even have that I think. Hopefully Littlecloud will be shown in StarClan, as a closure kind of.
Maybe it's just me but I felt that when Violetpaw was thinking about his death, that Leafpool's POV should have been shown instead. She was closer to Littlecloud rather than an outsider's (in a way) perspective. But I also know that Leafpool's main POV story has been done with for a while now, and that's probably the reason why the Erins didn't put her thoughts.
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Jan 16, 2017 18:13:05 GMT -5
Yeah, that was sad. The only cat looking out for him was Dawnpelt. Needlepaw's attitude towards him was also terrible. By the way she talked, she sounded like she didn't care about him because he was about to die anyway, and judging by the state he was in, the rest of the clan thought the same thing. It's really sad to think that this is what ShadowClan had come to, not even caring for their old medicine cat who has served them well for so many seasons.
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Post by *Faith* on Jan 16, 2017 19:50:12 GMT -5
Yeah, that was sad. The only cat looking out for him was Dawnpelt. Needlepaw's attitude towards him was also terrible. By the way she talked, she sounded like she didn't care about him because he was about to die anyway, and judging by the state he was in, the rest of the clan thought the same thing. It's really sad to think that this is what ShadowClan had come to, not even caring for their old medicine cat who has served them well for so many seasons. And don't forget about Sleekpaw. She said that Littlecloud was so old he should have died long ago. I got really mad at her!
Personally, Sleekpaw was also one of my most hated characters in the whole book.
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Post by Dawnrise on Jan 16, 2017 20:08:16 GMT -5
Yeah, Littecloudputs all of his energy into healing for ShadowClan, and they let him die in dirty bedding. smh
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2017 20:40:44 GMT -5
After all what he has done for SC. Guiding Shadowclan throught so much. Helping Blackstar. I can't believe they treated him like that.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jan 17, 2017 0:11:58 GMT -5
The only ones that actually seemed to be trying, despite their warrior duties on top of that, were Tawnypelt and Dawnpelt. It's the apprentice's job to care for Littlecloud, and I'm honestly annoyed and appalled by how they treated him.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jan 17, 2017 0:13:36 GMT -5
I know. I like to think that the apprentice rebellion was due to a cultural shift in shadowclan. We haven't had a story from their point of view since yellowfang's secret many generations ago, so there's really no telling just how much shadowclan has changed without us noticing, making their current state even more shocking. But even with being said, there is not excuse for their treatment towards such a great medicine cat. Surely the senior warriors or even the elders would have known to change his bedding and get him a drink, like damn. Maybe this is why the Erins decided to go with Tigerheart...for the new SE, to show the changes leading up to this since the final battle with the DF cats?
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Rainbow
Pandean
Ferncloud Deserves Better
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Post by Pandean on Jan 17, 2017 12:57:31 GMT -5
After all what he has done for SC. Guiding Shadowclan throught so much. Helping Blackstar. I can't believe they treated him like that. Heck, he managed to help them with the big illness in the OS and was part of the reason they managed to not all die out.
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Rainbow
Pandean
Ferncloud Deserves Better
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Post by Pandean on Jan 17, 2017 13:01:42 GMT -5
I know. I like to think that the apprentice rebellion was due to a cultural shift in shadowclan. We haven't had a story from their point of view since yellowfang's secret many generations ago, so there's really no telling just how much shadowclan has changed without us noticing, making their current state even more shocking. But even with being said, there is not excuse for their treatment towards such a great medicine cat. Surely the senior warriors or even the elders would have known to change his bedding and get him a drink, like damn. I feel like ShadowClan has always had a....disrespectful culture from what I've seen. Even in YS. I wonder if the elders were even being taken care of... It made me sad for Littlecloud. After all he's done for ShadowClan, the least he deserves is to be at peace with everything he needs before he dies, but he didn't even have that I think. Hopefully Littlecloud will be shown in StarClan, as a closure kind of. Maybe it's just me but I felt that when Violetpaw was thinking about his death, that Leafpool's POV should have been shown instead. She was closer to Littlecloud rather than an outsider's (in a way) perspective. But I also know that Leafpool's main POV story has been done with for a while now, and that's probably the reason why the Erins didn't put her thoughts. I agree, Leafpool would've been more of a good POV. But then she didn't have a POV in the arc and the only other ShadowClanner with a POV was Violetpaw. ShadowClan is a mess. Yeah, that was sad. The only cat looking out for him was Dawnpelt. Needlepaw's attitude towards him was also terrible. By the way she talked, she sounded like she didn't care about him because he was about to die anyway, and judging by the state he was in, the rest of the clan thought the same thing. It's really sad to think that this is what ShadowClan had come to, not even caring for their old medicine cat who has served them well for so many seasons. ShadowClan is a right mess. They were pretty good with Blackstar as a leader (TBH I think Blackstar was one of the best leaders of ShadowClan and in general) but as soon as Rowanstar was leader....everything tanked. The only ones that actually seemed to be trying, despite their warrior duties on top of that, were Tawnypelt and Dawnpelt. It's the apprentice's job to care for Littlecloud, and I'm honestly annoyed and appalled by how they treated him. Right? I mean, at least they helped him. But seriously, the Clan was so awful. Show some respect!
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Jan 17, 2017 19:34:27 GMT -5
Yeah, that was sad. The only cat looking out for him was Dawnpelt. Needlepaw's attitude towards him was also terrible. By the way she talked, she sounded like she didn't care about him because he was about to die anyway, and judging by the state he was in, the rest of the clan thought the same thing. It's really sad to think that this is what ShadowClan had come to, not even caring for their old medicine cat who has served them well for so many seasons. And don't forget about Sleekpaw. She said that Littlecloud was so old he should have died long ago. I got really mad at her!
Personally, Sleekpaw was also one of my most hated characters in the whole book.
Oh, right. I though Sleekpaw was worse than Needlepaw, especially considering she's the daughter of Crowfrost and Dawnpelt, two of the better ShadowClan cats. Though I was always curious on her and why she seems to hate StarClan.
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Jan 17, 2017 19:44:51 GMT -5
Yes, Littlecloud did deserve better… But how he died also makes sense, considering it was right in the middle of the apprentice rebellion... Not to mention a lot of the apprentices probably don't remember or were not born when he did all those things for the Clan…
Having Skyclan come back to the lake reminds me of something… When Dawnstar is giving Leafstar one of her lives during the leader ceremony, Firestar notes how different she looks from the Shadowclan he has known. He wonders if the Clan back in those days had been different, and if they could change again.
It really makes me wonder if this is some sort of foreshadowing. If Skyclan being rebuilt gives us a glimpse of what they were like when they were functioning like the other Clans, then maybe Skyclan coming back will finally be the time where they make the complete change back to what things were like at the time of Dawnstar…
It would certainly make the fact that the theme of this arc seems to be rebellion and old ways being replaced with something new and the fact that Shadowclan was the first of the lake Clans to fall makes sense…
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on Jan 19, 2017 1:30:08 GMT -5
Yes! They were so terrible to him!
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Post by Ligerfrost on Jan 19, 2017 18:19:45 GMT -5
ShadowClan has always been flippant about their medicine cats. Even when Blackstar was leader. It was inexcuseable. At least Dawnpelt was trying to help him even if she didn't do a very good job. I mean how hard is it to change bedding?
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Post by Mistybreeze on Jan 20, 2017 0:34:55 GMT -5
That made my blood boil. He served his Clan for how many years and they leave him to die in his own filth? No wonder Darktail took them over, they're worse than rogues.
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Post by Cinderleaf on Jan 20, 2017 10:45:13 GMT -5
It was awful. I can't believe the amount of disrespect they had for him after he was so loyal for so long.
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Post by Owlmoon on Jan 23, 2017 8:42:43 GMT -5
It made me sad for Littlecloud. After all he's done for ShadowClan, the least he deserves is to be at peace with everything he needs before he dies, but he didn't even have that I think. Hopefully Littlecloud will be shown in StarClan, as a closure kind of. Maybe it's just me but I felt that when Violetpaw was thinking about his death, that Leafpool's POV should have been shown instead. She was closer to Littlecloud rather than an outsider's (in a way) perspective. But I also know that Leafpool's main POV story has been done with for a while now, and that's probably the reason why the Erins didn't put her thoughts. Exactly...
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