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Post by *Faith* on Jan 14, 2017 13:11:27 GMT -5
So I decided to ask who was older, Pinestar or Windflight. I always believed that Pinestar was, but as it turns out, he's not.
"Windflight is slightly older than Pinestar. He inharitates the old-age-gene many WindClan cats seem to have, since they always grow very old"
Wow. 0_0" We know that he does become an elder late in life, but I never expected that he was, in fact, the oldest of the two.
Anyways, here are the mentor-apprentice stuff also confirmed:
ThunderClan Windflight - Moonflower Rockfall - Heronwing Littlestep - Poppydawn Cloudtail - finished Cherryfall's training.
SkyClan Billystorm - Rabbitleap Leafstar - Plumwillow Shrewtooth - Creekfeather Bouncefire - Nettlesplash Tinycloud - Birdwing Rockshade - Honeytail Bouncefire - Sandynose
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Jan 14, 2017 14:54:07 GMT -5
Thanks for the info! I find it interesting that many Windclan cats inherit an old age gene... I wonder who passes it down...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 15:12:52 GMT -5
Thanks for the info! I find it interesting that many Windclan cats inherit an old age gene... I wonder who passes it down... Maybe it was passed from Gorsestar as I always imagined him as old looking or oriental looking.
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Post by *Faith* on Jan 14, 2017 16:39:08 GMT -5
Thanks for the info! I find it interesting that many Windclan cats inherit an old age gene... I wonder who passes it down... Maybe it was passed from Gorsestar as I always imagined him as old looking or oriental looking. Well, he did succeed Windstar as leader. So he must have lived for a long time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 16:45:58 GMT -5
Maybe it was passed from Gorsestar as I always imagined him as old looking or oriental looking. Well, he did succeed Windstar as leader. So he must have lived for a long time. I think what had happened is maybe an epidemic or prey shortage happended and multiple cats died including the deputy when Windstar was on her last 2 or 3 lives. (( Ive always wanted to think Spotted fur was deputy or Dust flight )). So she had to choose her mate. Windstar is way wise to just choose her mate out of the bloom.
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Post by *Faith* on Jan 14, 2017 17:00:10 GMT -5
Well, he did succeed Windstar as leader. So he must have lived for a long time. I think what had happened is maybe an epidemic or prey shortage happended and multiple cats died including the deputy when Windstar was on her last 2 or 3 lives. (( Ive always wanted to think Spotted fur was deputy or Dust flight )). So she had to choose her mate. Windstar is way wise to just choose her mate out of the bloom. In Moth Flight's Vision, Wind Runner told Gorse Fur at one point that if anything were to happen to her then he would be leader. And in the original story back in Secret of the Clans, Gorse Fur (Gorsefur) was stated to be her deputy (I think). So Gorsestar was Windstar's deputy since the very beginning.
Also, it's Dust Muzzle.
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Post by Mistybreeze on Jan 14, 2017 23:31:41 GMT -5
So we won't be seeing EagleXSquirrel in PC, mousedung.
As the for the mentors, some of those make no sense. Bouncefire had three apprentices? When he's that immature? Then again, Leafstar was the type to forgive. Maybe she hoped training so many apprentices would force him to grow up. I always thought Rockshade would have a lot of apprentices, especially since he could fish, a skill only he possesses. Hold on sec, he couldn't possibly have trained both Nettlesplash and Sandynose. They were born less than six moons apart. We don't see Sandynose born, but he had to have been born right after the end of SD since Clovertail has close to kitting at the start of the book and SD covers about a moon. Nettlesplash would have been four moons old when Sandynose born.
It was also confirmed in ATF that Cherrytail and Waspwhisker are the mentors of Honeypaw and Birdpaw.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Jan 15, 2017 12:16:23 GMT -5
So we won't be seeing EagleXSquirrel in PC, mousedung. As the for the mentors, some of those make no sense. Bouncefire had three apprentices? When he's that immature? Then again, Leafstar was the type to forgive. Maybe she hoped training so many apprentices would force him to grow up. I always thought Rockshade would have a lot of apprentices, especially since he could fish, a skill only he possesses. Hold on sec, he couldn't possibly have trained both Nettlesplash and Sandynose. They were born less than six moons apart. We don't see Sandynose born, but he had to have been born right after the end of SD since Clovertail has close to kitting at the start of the book and SD covers about a moon. Nettlesplash would have been four moons old when Sandynose born. It was also confirmed in ATF that Cherrytail and Waspwhisker are the mentors of Honeypaw and Birdpaw. As for the age part, either one was apprenticed late or got their name early. We aren't exactly sure about how long training takes as it varies with each cat.
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Post by Redclaw on Jan 15, 2017 12:28:05 GMT -5
So we won't be seeing EagleXSquirrel in PC, mousedung. As the for the mentors, some of those make no sense. Bouncefire had three apprentices? When he's that immature? Then again, Leafstar was the type to forgive. Maybe she hoped training so many apprentices would force him to grow up. I always thought Rockshade would have a lot of apprentices, especially since he could fish, a skill only he possesses. Hold on sec, he couldn't possibly have trained both Nettlesplash and Sandynose. They were born less than six moons apart. We don't see Sandynose born, but he had to have been born right after the end of SD since Clovertail has close to kitting at the start of the book and SD covers about a moon. Nettlesplash would have been four moons old when Sandynose born. It was also confirmed in ATF that Cherrytail and Waspwhisker are the mentors of Honeypaw and Birdpaw. As for the age part, either one was apprenticed late or got their name early. We aren't exactly sure about how long training takes as it varies with each cat. as far as I can see, training an apprentice has an average span of 6 moons. there are exceptions, like fighting well in a battle or doing something heroic, like Thistleclaw saving the camp from a dog, or training as hard as possible, almost like Mistystar's Omen. those are my thoughts
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Jan 15, 2017 12:33:35 GMT -5
As for the age part, either one was apprenticed late or got their name early. We aren't exactly sure about how long training takes as it varies with each cat. as far as I can see, training an apprentice has an average span of 6 moons. there are exceptions, like fighting well in a battle or doing something heroic, like Thistleclaw saving the camp from a dog, or training as hard as possible, almost like Mistystar's Omen. those are my thoughts It's actually seemed top fluxuate from what we've been given. The first arc it varied a lot and the SE's also don't follow this trend often.
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Post by Redclaw on Jan 15, 2017 12:37:07 GMT -5
as far as I can see, training an apprentice has an average span of 6 moons. there are exceptions, like fighting well in a battle or doing something heroic, like Thistleclaw saving the camp from a dog, or training as hard as possible, almost like Mistystar's Omen. those are my thoughts It's actually seemed top fluxuate from what we've been given. The first arc it varied a lot and the SE's also don't follow this trend often. that's true, but it seems to still be about six to seven moons on average. that's what I can see, not counting medicine cat apprentice training, which takes way longer.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Jan 15, 2017 12:51:05 GMT -5
It's actually seemed top fluxuate from what we've been given. The first arc it varied a lot and the SE's also don't follow this trend often. that's true, but it seems to still be about six to seven moons on average. that's what I can see, not counting medicine cat apprentice training, which takes way longer. Let's agree to disagree? I feel like we'll go in circles with this. xD
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Post by Mistybreeze on Jan 15, 2017 13:15:21 GMT -5
So we won't be seeing EagleXSquirrel in PC, mousedung. As the for the mentors, some of those make no sense. Bouncefire had three apprentices? When he's that immature? Then again, Leafstar was the type to forgive. Maybe she hoped training so many apprentices would force him to grow up. I always thought Rockshade would have a lot of apprentices, especially since he could fish, a skill only he possesses. Hold on sec, he couldn't possibly have trained both Nettlesplash and Sandynose. They were born less than six moons apart. We don't see Sandynose born, but he had to have been born right after the end of SD since Clovertail has close to kitting at the start of the book and SD covers about a moon. Nettlesplash would have been four moons old when Sandynose born. It was also confirmed in ATF that Cherrytail and Waspwhisker are the mentors of Honeypaw and Birdpaw. As for the age part, either one was apprenticed late or got their name early. We aren't exactly sure about how long training takes as it varies with each cat. Assuming that there was one of those special circumstances, why would Bouncefire get an apprentice right after another? There is no reason why he would. There are plenty of cats available to mentor. And what about Sagenose and Mintfur? What are they, chopped liver?
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Post by Redclaw on Jan 15, 2017 13:18:46 GMT -5
that's true, but it seems to still be about six to seven moons on average. that's what I can see, not counting medicine cat apprentice training, which takes way longer. Let's agree to disagree? I feel like we'll go in circles with this. xD sounds good. XD
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Post by *Faith* on Jan 15, 2017 14:54:02 GMT -5
So we won't be seeing EagleXSquirrel in PC, mousedung. As the for the mentors, some of those make no sense. Bouncefire had three apprentices? When he's that immature? Then again, Leafstar was the type to forgive. Maybe she hoped training so many apprentices would force him to grow up. I always thought Rockshade would have a lot of apprentices, especially since he could fish, a skill only he possesses. Hold on sec, he couldn't possibly have trained both Nettlesplash and Sandynose. They were born less than six moons apart. We don't see Sandynose born, but he had to have been born right after the end of SD since Clovertail has close to kitting at the start of the book and SD covers about a moon. Nettlesplash would have been four moons old when Sandynose born. It was also confirmed in ATF that Cherrytail and Waspwhisker are the mentors of Honeypaw and Birdpaw. Yeah, probably not. Though Squirrelwhisker would be around at the time.
Where was it stated that Cherryfall and Waspwhisker were the mentors? I don't think that was ever confirmed.
Hm, maybe Nettlesplash and his littermates became warriors early? Idk...
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Post by *Faith* on Jan 15, 2017 14:59:16 GMT -5
As for the age part, either one was apprenticed late or got their name early. We aren't exactly sure about how long training takes as it varies with each cat. Assuming that there was one of those special circumstances, why would Bouncefire get an apprentice right after another? There is no reason why he would. There are plenty of cats available to mentor. And what about Sagenose and Mintfur? What are they, chopped liver? Er, maybe they mentored one of Leafstar's kits?
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Post by pastelpills on Jan 16, 2017 10:25:50 GMT -5
Assuming that there was one of those special circumstances, why would Bouncefire get an apprentice right after another? There is no reason why he would. There are plenty of cats available to mentor. And what about Sagenose and Mintfur? What are they, chopped liver? Er, maybe they mentored one of Leafstar's kits? It would be cool if his apprentice was Firefern.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Jan 16, 2017 10:41:55 GMT -5
As for the age part, either one was apprenticed late or got their name early. We aren't exactly sure about how long training takes as it varies with each cat. Assuming that there was one of those special circumstances, why would Bouncefire get an apprentice right after another? There is no reason why he would. There are plenty of cats available to mentor. And what about Sagenose and Mintfur? What are they, chopped liver? ✎ Maybe he did a fine job at it? There are a lot of cats that should have gotten an apprentice, yet didn't. Cloudtail has had plenty of apprentices, I think he got to mentor Hollytuft right after he finished Cherryfall's training. It's not that uncommon that some cats get looked over in favor of others.
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Post by *Faith* on Jan 17, 2017 13:04:59 GMT -5
As for the age part, either one was apprenticed late or got their name early. We aren't exactly sure about how long training takes as it varies with each cat. Assuming that there was one of those special circumstances, why would Bouncefire get an apprentice right after another? There is no reason why he would. There are plenty of cats available to mentor. And what about Sagenose and Mintfur? What are they, chopped liver? This is what Su said:
"Nettlekit, Creekkit, Rabbitkit and Plumkit are born in Winter after Firestar left. Then we see "SkyClan's Destiny" in late Spring. Nettlepaw, Creekpaw, Rabbitpaw and Plumpaw are made apprentices in early Summer, while Sandypaw, Honeypaw and Birdpaw are born after that. Nettle, Creek, Rabbit and Plum became Warriors in late autumn and Sandypaw, Honeypaw and Birdpaw were made apprentices in winter.
Leafstar hoped especially for Bouncefire to get a bit more mature with having his second apprentice, since he still was pretty wary about the daylight warriors and behaved unsuitable and arrogant some times."
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Post by Mistybreeze on Jan 17, 2017 13:25:51 GMT -5
Assuming that there was one of those special circumstances, why would Bouncefire get an apprentice right after another? There is no reason why he would. There are plenty of cats available to mentor. And what about Sagenose and Mintfur? What are they, chopped liver? This is what Su said:
"Nettlekit, Creekkit, Rabbitkit and Plumkit are born in Winter after Firestar left. Then we see "SkyClan's Destiny" in late Spring. Nettlepaw, Creekpaw, Rabbitpaw and Plumpaw are made apprentices in early Summer, while Sandypaw, Honeypaw and Birdpaw are born after that. Nettle, Creek, Rabbit and Plum became Warriors in late autumn and Sandypaw, Honeypaw and Birdpaw were made apprentices in winter.
Leafstar hoped especially for Bouncefire to get a bit more mature with having his second apprentice, since he still was pretty wary about the daylight warriors and behaved unsuitable and arrogant some times."
That still doesn't make any sense. Clovertail was heavily pregnant when they were three moons. A moon passed from the beginning of SD to the end. So that would only make them four moons old when Clovertail kitted. So that means that Clovertail had her kits two moons late. She and the kits would have died. That can't possibly be right.
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