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Post by whiteflight on Dec 13, 2016 21:21:42 GMT -5
If you could change anything in Warriors what would it be? For me I would change Squirrelflight and Bramblestar always yelling at each other, I'll also change most of the Greencough death and maybe change Tigerstar not killing Bluestar in her den.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 21:25:49 GMT -5
I'd make Ashfur go to the Dark Forest
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Dec 13, 2016 21:31:32 GMT -5
To be honest, I would change a lot of things:
-Skyclan would never be driven out
-Firestar would not be portrayed as so perfect
-DF Battle would have been a lot more casualties, the cats with them would have stayed, and neither Firestar nor Brambleclaw would have survived
-Graystripe would not have gotten captured, or Brairlight would not have gotten crippled
-Hollyleaf would have had a power
-Jayfeather would have been a warrior, and Hollyleaf a medicine cat
-Brightheart would have gotten apprentices
-Stormfur would have been the silver cat, with the Tribe initially believing it to be Feathertail
-Bluestar would not have gone insane
-Tawnypelt would not have joined Shadowclan (or both the siblings would have)
-Either drop the Dovewing/Tigerheart drama or have her join Shadowclan
-Heathertail and Lionblaze would have kept the relationship going
-Leafpool and Crowfeather may not have happened
-Snowkit would have survived
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Dec 13, 2016 21:31:37 GMT -5
Here are some of mine: Ashfur going to the Dark Forest and have most of the relationships in DotC be at least a little more developed are two that instantly come to mind.
Most of the forbidden relationships would also be more developed or just non-existent at all.
Have Firestar's death at least be more clearer.
More ThunderClan cats would've died in the Great Battle, like Cloudtail.
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Dec 13, 2016 21:33:57 GMT -5
Also forgot to mention Mapleshade doing a lot more damage when she was alive... She said she earned her place in the DF, but killing three cats hardly seems like it when Tigerstar and Brokenstar did so much more harm...
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Post by Owlmoon on Dec 13, 2016 21:41:18 GMT -5
I would like to see a few more super powers and action. Like, more drama between Cloutail and Brightheart. I ean, woohoo, you got the girl, nothing else happens. Hurray!
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Post by Pyropelt on Dec 13, 2016 23:16:25 GMT -5
To be honest, I would change a lot of things: -Skyclan would never be driven out -Firestar would not be portrayed as so perfect -DF Battle would have been a lot more casualties, the cats with them would have stayed, and neither Firestar nor Brambleclaw would have survived -Graystripe would not have gotten captured, or Brairlight would not have gotten crippled -Hollyleaf would have had a power -Jayfeather would have been a warrior, and Hollyleaf a medicine cat -Brightheart would have gotten apprentices -Stormfur would have been the silver cat, with the Tribe initially believing it to be Feathertail -Bluestar would not have gone insane -Tawnypelt would not have joined Shadowclan (or both the siblings would have) -Either drop the Dovewing/Tigerheart drama or have her join Shadowclan -Heathertail and Lionblaze would have kept the relationship going -Leafpool and Crowfeather may not have happened -Snowkit would have survived I agree with a lot of what you said! I just like everything you wrote! I think if the prophecy were about Stormtail, it would've been more interesting. What if that were to happen after Feathertail had died. I bet it would have made Stormtail more developed as a character if he had been betrayed or been conflicted about helping the Tribe. I so wish Jayfeather would have been a warrior. And Snowkit would have survived. I really agree with SkyClan not being driven out. But, I think I'm biased since they're my favorite clan. I would enjoy it if they were in all of the series.
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Post by Lightflame on Dec 13, 2016 23:25:27 GMT -5
I would like to see a few more super powers and action. Like, more drama between Cloutail and Brightheart. I ean, woohoo, you got the girl, nothing else happens. Hurray!
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Post by Stoneflower on Dec 14, 2016 2:46:18 GMT -5
Less family drama. Everyone is so caught up with who fathered who, its old and annoying.
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Dec 14, 2016 3:05:55 GMT -5
I would like to see a few more super powers and action. Like, more drama between Cloutail and Brightheart. I ean, woohoo, you got the girl, nothing else happens. Hurray! A little off topic, but I love that picture! What's it from?
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Post by Sootfeather on Dec 14, 2016 9:50:37 GMT -5
A little off topic, but I love that picture! What's it from? A warrior cats fangame
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Dec 14, 2016 15:10:35 GMT -5
The Dark Forest battle, especailly Firestar and Togerstar's fight, would be less rushed,the DF would be more menacing, have a plan, and actually warch the trainees, and more trainees would be evil.
Ashfur would also be in the Dark Forest.
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Dec 14, 2016 17:25:13 GMT -5
I would still have Mudclaw be deputy… If Blackstar could do all he did and still be a good leader to his Clan, then there's no reason Mudclaw couldn't be a good leader too… Honestly, one has to wonder that vision Tallstar was even true or not…
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Post by Kibui on Dec 14, 2016 17:43:14 GMT -5
- Let Yellowfang stay a warrior for as long as Sagewhisker was alive but still interested in herbs and only become a med cat after Sagewhisker dies and no other cat is fit for the job
- Not ruin Yellowfang's character in OotS
- Make Alderheart a normal (warrior) apprentice
- A more epic final battle in The Last Hope
- Let Daisy go back to the Horseplace (or remove her from the books all together)
- Stop LeafXCrow from happening
- Make Cinderheart an ACTUAL REINCARNATION of Cinderpelt instead of just a possession (or alternatively let her go to StarClan right from the start)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 13:54:02 GMT -5
Ugh where do I start and where do I end. Make Lionheart leader of Thunderclan Frostfur would be portrayed as younger and would come on the journey. At least one of Tigerstar's sisters woulve survived Firestar and Sandstorm would be younger and have more kits. Mapleshade would not br evil and actully fall in love with Birchface. Bloomheart would be evil instead. Crow x Night would be more loving. AND I HAVE A BILLION MORE. But I wanna keep this short
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Post by dashingshadows on Dec 18, 2016 22:40:39 GMT -5
A little off topic, but I love that picture! What's it from? A warrior cats fangame Where can one download this game?
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Post by finland on Dec 19, 2016 9:44:33 GMT -5
Fidgetpaw would have never been taken away.
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Post by Leonard on Dec 19, 2016 10:30:51 GMT -5
A little off topic, but I love that picture! What's it from? A warrior cats fangame Where can one download this game? It's from Lightflame's game, Warriors: Rebirth, and it's awesome. He hasn't released it yet, though.
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Post by max on Dec 22, 2016 13:06:26 GMT -5
To be honest, I would change a lot of things: -Skyclan would never be driven out -Firestar would not be portrayed as so perfect -DF Battle would have been a lot more casualties, the cats with them would have stayed, and neither Firestar nor Brambleclaw would have survived -Graystripe would not have gotten captured, or Brairlight would not have gotten crippled -Hollyleaf would have had a power -Jayfeather would have been a warrior, and Hollyleaf a medicine cat -Brightheart would have gotten apprentices -Stormfur would have been the silver cat, with the Tribe initially believing it to be Feathertail -Bluestar would not have gone insane -Tawnypelt would not have joined Shadowclan (or both the siblings would have) -Either drop the Dovewing/Tigerheart drama or have her join Shadowclan -Heathertail and Lionblaze would have kept the relationship going -Leafpool and Crowfeather may not have happened -Snowkit would have survived I agree with most of what you said, except 1 Thistlestar would happen, and Bluefur would still have her kits 2 instead of Blue and Oak, it would have been Crooked and Blue Shrewpaw wouldn't've chased the dang pheasant
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Dec 22, 2016 13:34:54 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, why do you want Thistleclaw to be leader? He was shown to be bloodthirsty and violent, so it would spell bad news for the Clans if he was…
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Post by dashingshadows on Dec 22, 2016 20:22:44 GMT -5
Thistlestar's ThunderClan could be an interesting au
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Dec 22, 2016 23:08:07 GMT -5
Mmm there's a lot of things I'd change. But I'mma gonna just stick with the biggest factors, like romance and how much of a pain it is in the series since it wasn't executed well and affected a lot of characters.
Firestar would end up with Cinderpelt instead. How? Basically Sandstorm and Dustpelt become a thing, and Fernpaw or Cloudpaw could have become a medicine cat apprentice instead. Heck, or even Longtail, instead of him having to retire the way he did.
Hollyleaf stays a medicine cat apprentice, and Jayfeather trains to become a blind warrior under Tigerstar. Tiger did offer to train him before, would have been interesting if this was the route they went instead. Also Cinderheart having nothing to do with Cinderpelt whatsoever, ugh. And Heathertail x Lionblaze never existing period. Lionblaze imo didn't deserve anyone.
Yellowfang never taking a mate, let alone being forced to become a medicine cat, lol, even if she stayed a warrior she should have went with Nightstar or Cloudpelt. Raggedstar is utter trash, but they could have still had Brokenstar, just would have been better if Yellowfang moved on from Ragged.
Daisy x Thornclaw or Minty x Thornclaw; I found Minty to be more interesting than the other two kittpets, and Daisy deserves someone better than her past two mouse brain mates. Also this would make more sense than Blossomfall x Thornclaw, ugh.
Sunstar and Moonflower being a thing instead, I doubt Sunstar would have left his mate to fend for herself, also his own kit. Things could have been so much better imo.
Erasing Leaf x Crow, so unnecessary, Squirrelflight x Stormfur/Bramblestar could have had the three instead. Speaking of which, Stormfur joining ThunderClan or becoming deputy in RiverClan over Reedwhisker. Also Brackenfur becoming deputy over Bramblestar, would be great, and then Squirrelstar, thanks.
Ashfur going to the Dark Forest, where he belongs, and being in the final battle, I want to see him and Ferncloud fight, Ferncloud trying to protect Squirrelflight from him. Also a better well written death for Firestar, smh.
Spottedleaf being developed as an actual better character instead of supposedly loving Firestar's shadow. Also sprinkle in some Tiger x Spotted.
Bumblestripe and Rosepetal becoming a things sooner, and Dovewing ending up with Hawkwing when SkyClan returns, or just staying a single pringle. Tigerheart doesn't deserve to be deputy, and his father didn't deserve to be leader, should have been Tawnystar.
Jake joining WindClan would have been down right interesting haha. Or Reena staying to be with Shrewclaw, thanks.
Bluestar joining RiverClan maybe? Or all three of her kits surviving.
Deadstar, or Mudstar, either is good, and Nightcloud becoming mates with Mudclaw, and their kit becomes Heathertail's mate. I also want Crowfeather to die sooner, him or Leafpool.
Honeyfern not dying and staying with Berrynose, they have kits, and don't turn into jerks, while Poppyfrost either stays a single pringle or ends up with a girlfriend lol.
Storm and Gray Wing having Thunder instead of Clear Sky.
Mapleshade offing off Oakstar too, would have been fun to see her try.
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Post by Alpha on Dec 22, 2016 23:45:56 GMT -5
I have an AU re-write for PoT and OotS, and here are some of the changes in the story:
- Ashfur goes to the Dark Forest(though he did do more carp).
- The Dark Forest doesn't do anything until far later.
- PoVs from cats from different Clans.
- More deadly version of the Final Battle(most fatalities weren't from the Clans though).
- The tribe only appears in one book.
- Genetically accurate warriors(exceptions: Blackstar, Firestar, and possibly a few more due to new confirmations).
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Post by x -- ʙʀɪᴀʀʜᴇᴀʀᴛ on Dec 23, 2016 23:32:39 GMT -5
Nothing specific, but if I could change anything, I'd do something to make Crowfeather happy for StarClan's sake ;_;
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Post by ≈ rippleheart ≈ on Dec 26, 2016 19:22:03 GMT -5
(Apologies in advance for how long this is, great StarClan!) I would change these two things if I could: 1) Giving Hollyleaf an appropriate power and letting her be one of the Three. I have nothing against Dovewing or Ivypool as characters really, but it feels like a waste of potential character and plot development to just make Hollyleaf go crazy and run into the tunnels in POT, instead of brainstorming a power for her and using the character they already made. Let Dovewing and Ivypool have their own prophecy or other struggles, that would've been fine too - but tossing out Hollyleaf? What a waste! 2) Writing Ashfur like a proper villain (to replace Sol). The ending of TNP really felt like a big buildup to him being the new villain of POT (especially with the chapters where Ashfur trains Lionblaze as Lionpaw and hurts him in the process), and you could really see the progression as he got more and more bitter with the thoughts and heartache that come after being used and then thrown away. It would've been absolutely fantastic to see him become the main villain and really do something to break the psyches of the Three (beyond even the infamous fire scene). It would also help to give Ashfur's character more respectability, since people could acknowledge him as a true villain in the series, instead of a "broken, misunderstood baby" like some people saw him previously (and still do, unfortunately). Gonna put the rest of my thoughts into a spoiler so it doesn't turn into an essay, but the spoiler contains what I'd do if i were given the chance to "rewrite" POT. Firstly, Sol is out of the picture... for the most part. He would come into play later on, but that would be saved for the next arc, for story focus's sake.
Anyhow, the original 3 siblings would all have powers - including Hollyleaf. Jayfeather would still have the power with the Ancients and seeing into others' minds/emotions, Lionblaze would still have super battle recovery, and Hollyleaf's power would be a modified version of invisibility. It suits her night-black pelt (as well as a possible character route later on), but she would be able to turn virtually or totally invisible pretty much at will (once she learns how to control it - as an apprentice, it might take a couple accidents and lots of practice to master, as usual), even in broad daylight and in a crowd of cats (although that's a bad idea in general.
While Jayfeather and Lionblaze go through their own personal character arcs and discover/harness their new powers and deal with the revelation of their destinies, Hollyleaf's arc is a little different. Being a very ambitious cat with dreams of being important and righteous (as every ThunderClan cat "should", especially as the kin of Firestar AND part of a prophecy), she embraces the news completely, and vigorously dedicates her time to using her power (discovered previously, originally on accident while training with her mentor Brackenfur). As time goes on, she eventually adopts the Warrior Code as her "guide", and a duty of "fixing others" like a knight living with chivalry and doling justice. She uses her power to 'spy' on others, and help them with things (or report evil-doings to the officials, if she can't handle the situations herself). At first it's just a pleasant 'surprise', and she's credited as a master of stealth (which garners *some* mistrust from her Clanmates, comparing her to a ShadowClan cat).
Eventually she notices some especially suspicious behavior as she sneaks around the territory per usual - Ashfur is stalking in the undergrowth angrily. Once an opportunity reveals itself, she confronts him about it, and in turn, he attacks her with intent to kill, while clearly deranged. Lionblaze overhears the scuffle and interrupts it, and Ashfur is forced to flee since he knows he can't win against both warriors at once. Hollyleaf is intent on reporting the attack to Firestar, but Lionblaze reasons that it might have been an accident, like mistaking her for a rogue because of the expert stealth. Though doubtful, Hollyleaf goes along with it, and decides to stay quiet about the incident, but still intent on figuring out the problem that seems to plague Ashfur all the time.
Some time later, lightning strikes near the ThunderClan quarry, and the famous *Fire Scene* takes place, where Ashfur forces Squirrelflight to confess the truth about "her" kits, and naturally the Three are shocked at the revelation. Afterwards, Hollyleaf is broken mentally (as she was in the original, though with slight differences b/c of the circumstances) as her own self-image of the righteous upholder of the Warrior Code disintegrated in front of her, considering she shouldn't even exist according to the Code.
After that, the original events transpire, albeit in a different order - Hollyleaf runs away and attempts to poison Leafpool to "purge" both the Clan and her own conscience of her "illegal" birth mother, and then when it fails and her pure inner morality kicks in, she runs off. Finding her brothers Jayfeather and Lionblaze confronting the now openly-evil Ashfur, the three siblings fight him in an epic ultimate climax for all 3 of them. During her insanely zealous attack , Hollyleaf feels overwhelmingly powerful, even though her actual body weakens incredibly with the effort to fight Ashfur. When Jayfeather and Lionblaze are both satisfied that they defeated and pinned the villain after the battle, they decide to send Lionblaze out to fetch Firestar and tell him about what happened. However, under Jayfeather's nonexistent watch, Hollyleaf loses control and kills him for "ruining" her. Jayfeather notices the action, and is appalled, being dragged into Hollyleaf's shattered mental state by her overwhelming emotional waves and his own overwhelming need for an answer. Before Lionblaze returns with backup, they both silently agree to not let the others know about Ashfur's unlawful death, instead claiming self-defense.
Some time after that (likely no more than a moon), Hollyleaf leaves on an impromptu hunting trip, and Lionblaze follows her with concern, only to find that she'd headed for the tunnels, and the exit closed behind her. Though highly unlikely, future books/arcs may explore a return, like the original series write did, but it probably wouldn't be the same circumstances.
I'd explain Ashfur's arc in more detail as well, but this spoiler is long enough as it is, so probably not ^_^;;
There's definitely much more I could alter, but I'd be okay if they weren't changed as well, since they're more of nitpicks rather than actual problems I have with the series and how it's written.
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Post by kinkajou on Jan 6, 2017 16:45:13 GMT -5
Gorsepaw would live and have 400 kits and be leader
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Post by Rainshadow on Jan 16, 2017 12:15:24 GMT -5
Let Firestar and Tigerstar have their epic showdown at the end of the first series and erase Tigerstar's presence (or at least severely reduce his influence) in later series. Following up on that: fulfil Hawkfrost's potential and let him be an antagonist in his own right instead of Tiger's puppet.
Also more POVs from different Clans in the main series.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jan 16, 2017 13:10:05 GMT -5
Gorsepaw would live and have 400 kits and be leader Gorsestar! Gorsestar! Gorsestar!
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