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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Jan 16, 2017 17:51:59 GMT -5
✎ Also add onto the fact that the Erins try to make her the best medicine alive when she's questionable in the healing department.
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Post by Dawnrise on Jan 16, 2017 20:15:18 GMT -5
Her relationship with Squirrelflight was really cool, and I thought it was nice how they stayed close after all of the secrets came out about Crowfeather. I don't really like her romance with him, but it added drama, so who cares?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2017 20:20:47 GMT -5
✎ Also add onto the fact that the Erins try to make her the best medicine alive when she's questionable in the healing department. Yeah I was actually wondering why Mapleshade got exiled as well as Yellowfang, but Leafpool got off scott-free. I won't buy that she would have been exiled because Firestar is her father. He would fight against the Clans to keep her.
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Official Queen of Fan Clans
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ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁
Official ThunderClan & ElmClan Leader
Easing back in
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Jan 16, 2017 20:42:59 GMT -5
✎ Also add onto the fact that the Erins try to make her the best medicine alive when she's questionable in the healing department. Yeah I was actually wondering why Mapleshade got exiled as well as Yellowfang, but Leafpool got off scott-free. I won't buy that she would have been exiled because Firestar is her father. He would fight against the Clans to keep her. ✎ Yeah, I think that was just said so Leafpool haters would be silenced. Yet that doesn't make much sense. It also irritates me how she took it upon herself to step down instead of allowing Firestar to decide her punishment. It makes him look weak in the eyes of the other Clans, like cats will be able to decide their own punishment.
As for the argument stating that she should be a medicine cat because she has the skills, then technically any cat with herb knowledge or healing knowledge should follow that logic. If she decided to be a warrior, then make her a warrior and keep it that way. It would benefit ThunderClan in battles and even hunting. Someone pointed out that medicine cats have a lot more power than we think and while it's dirty, it hasn't stopped cats in the past. -cough- Hawkheart -cough-
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Post by pastelpills on Jan 17, 2017 2:50:45 GMT -5
✎ Also add onto the fact that the Erins try to make her the best medicine alive when she's questionable in the healing department. Yeah I was actually wondering why Mapleshade got exiled as well as Yellowfang, but Leafpool got off scott-free. I won't buy that she would have been exiled because Firestar is her father. He would fight against the Clans to keep her. With Mapleshade, there was possibly some bias, since her mate was a cat from an enemy Clan who murdered his son, aka the supposed father. Yellowfang was exiled not because she had kits, but because she supposedly murdered kits. These two cases are completely different from Leafpool's.
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Post by Winterstorm on Jan 17, 2017 3:07:33 GMT -5
✎ Also add onto the fact that the Erins try to make her the best medicine alive when she's questionable in the healing department. Yeah I was actually wondering why Mapleshade got exiled as well as Yellowfang, but Leafpool got off scott-free. I won't buy that she would have been exiled because Firestar is her father. He would fight against the Clans to keep her. I don't like how Starclan pretty much punish Mapleshade and Yellowfang for having kits. And then worships Leafpool.
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Post by pastelpills on Jan 17, 2017 5:38:14 GMT -5
Yeah I was actually wondering why Mapleshade got exiled as well as Yellowfang, but Leafpool got off scott-free. I won't buy that she would have been exiled because Firestar is her father. He would fight against the Clans to keep her. I don't like how Starclan pretty much punish Mapleshade and Yellowfang for having kits. And then worships Leafpool. I'd say that the word "worship" is a bit too strong.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 11:16:39 GMT -5
I don't like how Starclan pretty much punish Mapleshade and Yellowfang for having kits. And then worships Leafpool. I'd say that the word "worship" is a bit too strong. Yes but that word is almost perfect for Leafpool. It annoys me how much she just got off with no one blaming her like she was some kind of Royalty. She just went like a hill. From so low to high in one or two books. No devolpment at all.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 12:25:29 GMT -5
Yeah I was actually wondering why Mapleshade got exiled as well as Yellowfang, but Leafpool got off scott-free. I won't buy that she would have been exiled because Firestar is her father. He would fight against the Clans to keep her. With Mapleshade, there was possibly some bias, since her mate was a cat from an enemy Clan who murdered his son, aka the supposed father. Yellowfang was exiled not because she had kits, but because she supposedly murdered kits. These two cases are completely different from Leafpool's. Yes, but keep in mind that Leafpool caused a lot of pain too. She made Squirrelflight lose everything and she didn't even want to lie in the first place (but I put the blame on stupid Yellowfang for this part), Hollyleaf went away, Lionblaze and Jayfeather were seen as traitors because they were half-Clan, Brambleclaw was upset with Squirrelflight for lying. Really, Leafpool shouldn't have run away in the first place. The Three were always going to be born. We didn't need another medicine cat breaking the warrior code. She was selfish and disrespected her mentor. She knew she wasn't supposed to break the code. I say she should have been exiled for causing so much pain for everyone.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 12:25:54 GMT -5
Plus it also bothers me how she got her rank back.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 12:36:52 GMT -5
Plus it also bothers me how she got her rank back. The whole rank thing Im conterversail about. But the fact that they made Leafpool go throught all of that drama and shes still the same old Leafpool is what bothers me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 12:38:21 GMT -5
Plus it also bothers me how she got her rank back. The whole rank thing Im conterversail about. But the fact that they made Leafpool go throught all of that drama and shes still the same old Leafpool is what bothers me. What do you mean by the "same"?
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Post by Rainshadow on Jan 17, 2017 12:39:09 GMT -5
StarClan worshipped it? Hardly. Spottedleaf even tells Leafpool off when she goes to the Moonpool to ask StarClan what to do with the kits. She just blames Leafpool, telling her how she should've thought of the consequences more, calling her foolish, and yet later Yellowfang and Feathertail go on and on about how important the kits are but only because StarClan knows she's carrying the Three.
Anyway, about Leafpool running away with Crowfeather. You're forgetting something important. At that time, Leafpool didn't feel she was needed in her Clan anymore. ThunderClan had Cinderpelt and Leafpool had no reason to think she'd die anytime soon. Cinderpelt knew and that's why she was so adamant in her warnings but because she refused to tell the whole truth (which I understand, she didn't want to force Leafpool's paw, so to speak), it didn't make much sense to Leafpool. Furthermore, she felt replaced by Brightheart. Her assumption was wrong but it is how she felt at that time. Plus, she was in love and in order not to break the code and be with Crowfeather the only option was leaving the Clans and the code behind. Was it a smart move? No. Did it cast long shadows? Most definitely. But Leafpool had no way of knowing it would. If she had, she would never have left. And after she received the warning, after she learned she was needed, that her absence did have consequences, she returned and stayed, focusing all her attention on her medicine cat duties. StarClan blamed her afterwards, telling her to think of the consequences, but that's easy for them to say. Or it's easy to say in hindsight as well. If starClan wanted Leafpool to stay, they should've given her a warning of some sort. They should've told her how important it was she'd stay. It didn't even need to be specific because Leafpool had faith in StarClan and if they advised her to stay then she would've. But instead, Leafpool gets to witness how Feathertail encourages Crowfeather to love Leafpool. What sort of message do you think that gave her?
Also, Leafpool didn't drag Squirrelflight into her mess. Leafpool asked StarClan for guidance about what to do and all they told her was contradictions and vagueness, telling her they were with her, then blaming her and then telling her to "be smarter than Yellowfang". It's only natural Leafpool sought some cat to confide in and who else than her own sister with whom she'd always been close? She told Squirrelflight and asked to help her but she never once asked her to take her burden. She even took her sister's initial advice and asked Brightheart if she were interested in being a full-time medicine cat (to take her place though she didn't say so out loud) but Brightheart refused and Leafpool respected that choice, never bringing it up again.
Then when Leafpool and Squirrelflight went to the Moonpool, to ask StarClan once more for advice because they couldn't figure out a solution, it was Yellowfang who suggested Squirrelflight raised the kits and then lied to her about being barren. That lie was Yellowfang's own choice. Leafpool had nothing to do with. Yellowfang wasn't forced at all. And when Squirrelflight refused, Leafpool respected her choice once more. Even after giving birth, when Feathertail visited them and said the kits needed a mother and father in ThunderClan to be proud of (rather rude way to say it btw), Leafpool was about to say it was impossible. The thought of Squirrelflight didn't even occur to her anymore until she saw Feathertail was addressing her sister. And then it was Squirrelflight who decided she'd do it. Not Leafpool. I agree, Squirrelflight was pressured into it, but never by her sister.
If anyone's to blame it's StarClan for its illogical selectiveness on when to intervene and their tendency to send contradicting messages.
(The change I was thinking of was how she behaved differently in POT and OOTS compared to TNP which is why I said she's gone through a lot so it's only natural she'd change)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 12:39:23 GMT -5
The whole rank thing Im conterversail about. But the fact that they made Leafpool go throught all of that drama and shes still the same old Leafpool is what bothers me. What do you mean by the "same"? As there was no new charecter devolpment.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 12:42:10 GMT -5
StarClan worshipped it? Hardly. Spottedleaf even tells Leafpool off when she goes to the Moonpool to ask StarClan what to do with the kits. She just blames Leafpool, telling her how she should've thought of the consequences more, calling her foolish, and yet later Yellowfang and Feathertail go on and on about how important the kits are but only because StarClan knows she's carrying the Three. Anyway, about Leafpool running away with Crowfeather. You're forgetting something important. At that time, Leafpool didn't feel she was needed in her Clan anymore. ThunderClan had Cinderpelt and Leafpool had no reason to think she'd die anytime soon. Cinderpelt knew and that's why she was so adamant in her warnings but because she refused to tell the whole truth (which I understand, she didn't want to force Leafpool's paw, so to speak), it didn't make much sense to Leafpool. Furthermore, she felt replaced by Brightheart. Her assumption was wrong but it is how she felt at that time. Plus, she was in love and in order not to break the code and be with Crowfeather the only option was leaving the Clans and the code behind. Was it a smart move? No. Did it cast long shadows? Most definitely. But Leafpool had no way of knowing it would. If she had, she would never have left. And after she received the warning, after she learned she was needed, that her absence did have consequences, she returned and stayed, focusing all her attention on her medicine cat duties. StarClan blamed her afterwards, telling her to think of the consequences, but that's easy for them to say. Or it's easy to say in hindsight as well. If starClan wanted Leafpool to stay, they should've given her a warning of some sort. They should've told her how important it was she'd stay. It didn't even need to be specific because Leafpool had faith in StarClan and if they advised her to stay then she would've. But instead, Leafpool gets to witness how Feathertail encourages Crowfeather to love Leafpool. What sort of message do you think that gave her? Also, Leafpool didn't drag Squirrelflight into her mess. Leafpool asked StarClan for guidance about what to do and all they told her was contradictions and vagueness, telling her they were with her, then blaming her and then telling her to "be smarter than Yellowfang". It's only natural Leafpool sought some cat to confide in and who else than her own sister with whom she'd always been close? She told Squirrelflight and asked to help her but she never once asked her to take her burden. She even took her sister's initial advice and asked Brightheart if she were interested in being a full-time medicine cat (to take her place though she didn't say so out loud) but Brightheart refused and Leafpool respected that choice, never bringing it up again. Then when Leafpool and Squirrelflight went to the Moonpool, to ask StarClan once more for advice because they couldn't figure out a solution, it was Yellowfang who suggested Squirrelflight raised the kits and then lied to her about being barren. That lie was Yellowfang's own choice. Leafpool had nothing to do with. Yellowfang wasn't forced at all. And when Squirrelflight refused, Leafpool respected her choice once more. Even after giving birth, when Feathertail visited them and said the kits needed a mother and father in ThunderClan to be proud of (rather rude way to say it btw), Leafpool was about to say it was impossible. The thought of Squirrelflight didn't even occur to her anymore until she saw Feathertail was addressing her sister. And then it was Squirrelflight who decided she'd do it. Not Leafpool. I agree, Squirrelflight was pressured into it, but never by her sister. If anyone's to blame it's StarClan for its illogical selectiveness on when to intervene and their tendency to send contradicting messages. (The change I was thinking of was how she behaved differently in POT and OOTS compared to TNP which is why I said she's gone through a lot so it's only natural she'd change) But Yellowfang made a suggestion. Did Leafpool and Squirrelflight had to take it ? No which is why it goes back to being more of Leafpools fault than anyone.
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Post by Rainshadow on Jan 17, 2017 12:48:49 GMT -5
But Yellowfang made a suggestion. Did Leafpool and Squirrelflight had to take it ? No which is why it goes back to being more of Leafpools fault than anyone. It was hardly an innocent suggestion. She wanted them to take it. Why else would she have lied about Squirrelflight being barren? She knew that would entice her to take the offer. But when she refused Feathertail had to go and insist again, emphasizing how important it was the kits were raised in ThunderClan with a mother and father. If they had kept refusing, they would have kept insisting. Yellowfang says she can't force them but they were pressured so much, they had little choice left.
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Post by Holly Snow on Jan 24, 2017 12:28:42 GMT -5
✎ Also add onto the fact that the Erins try to make her the best medicine alive when she's questionable in the healing department. You know she kept everyone alive during 2 greencough plagues- oh who are we kidding POT isn't canon
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 13:19:47 GMT -5
✎ Also add onto the fact that the Erins try to make her the best medicine alive when she's questionable in the healing department. You know she kept everyone alive during 2 greencough plagues- oh who are we kidding POT isn't canon Didn't you make a topic or two about how PoT and OotS aren't canon?
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Post by pastelpills on Jan 24, 2017 13:21:52 GMT -5
✎ Also add onto the fact that the Erins try to make her the best medicine alive when she's questionable in the healing department. I wouldn't really act like that's a fact. Erins want to kill off a lot of cats to quote on quote "keep the reader on turning pages", which makes her look like a questionable medicine cat..
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My full names are Hollyleaf;) and Snowwing™
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Post by Holly Snow on Jan 24, 2017 15:20:25 GMT -5
You know she kept everyone alive during 2 greencough plagues- oh who are we kidding POT isn't canon Didn't you make a topic or two about how PoT and OotS aren't canon? I made a topic about how a lot of what happens in oots and later books practically makes pot not canon
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